Tertiary and Continuing Which degrees are useless/useful?

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Ellis2WeightsRoom said:
Can you elaborate on your IB experience? And explain why you would possibly want to go from IB to Deakin law? Do you have a commerce degree?

I ask because I'm interested in going in the other direction and getting into IB, specifically M&A. Have completed internships doing M&A in the big4 acc. firms but want to take it to the next level.
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Well, I was a bit misleading, I wasn't an Investment Banker - I just processed trades through the clearing house for them. So I was required to pretty much work the same hours, for about a third of their pay.

Don't have any degree yet though, just some Diplomas and industry certification, wanted to go back and do Law because I just wasn't really enjoying finance and figured a Law degree is a good one to travel with.

Couldn't really help you as far as getting into M&A other than to say you need some kickass marks and to impress during your internship.
 
All of the three-year generalist undergrad courses (Arts, Commerce, Science) would probably be best paired with a further qualification of some kind (whether it be a masters, CA, or whatever). Most "vocational" degrees are 5, so if keeping up with the Joneses is your thing, you've still got time.
 

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Currently doing my first year commerce, no idea what i wanna major in.

Just wondering what some of you guys think is best to major in. (keep in mind i hate and suck at accounting)
 
rick James said:
Just for a bit of lighthearted discussion really. IMO the only real monetary reason to go to uni is to gain some kind of specialised knowledge or skill - of course,t hat doesn't factor in that some people like to simply learn stuff they're interested in - but they shouldn't be too heartbroken when that Philosophy degree doesn't lead to a high paying job, either.

IMO, the areas of study worth doing if you want to make money are:

Law
Medicine
Engineering
Sciences
Accounting

Previously Business/Commerce were included, but the plethora of people that now have them - and the relative ease involved in getting one - has really diluted their worth.

Basically every Arts degree is next to useless career-wise, can't really think of any exceptions either. You're likely to be a teacher at best, after an additional few years of HECS debt adding up, mind you.

Anyone disagree?
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I'm a full time photography student, I do enough photography work still as a student to say that arts degrees are very useful.

In fact, school gets in the way of me picking up more work.
 
I'm almost finished my degree which has an Employment Relations minor. I enjoy learning about the connection between Employees and Employers and Occupational Health and Safety. ER is almost like HR, if I was to do a post grad certificate it would be in HR.
 
SouthAustralia said:
Am doing a Commerce degree atm. I am not a w***er, and I like numbers (to do with money :)).




A useless degree is one in which your an international student and you can't even speak proper english, and never get involved in tutorial or group sessions in tutorials. Its a scam that they even pass them. Arghhhh ( bad international student experience today!)
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100% agree with this.
I'm sick to death of uni places going to international students who can't speak good enough english to understand what its being said, yet because it's a useless degree that they can put into use (had a Graphic designer ex student from india that I worked with, he designed the stores website on iWeb and because of that was allowed to stay on).
 
the_fresh said:
100% agree with this.
I'm sick to death of uni places going to international students who can't speak good enough english to understand what its being said, yet because it's a useless degree that they can put into use (had a Graphic designer ex student from india that I worked with, he designed the stores website on iWeb and because of that was allowed to stay on).
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That's capitalism for you matey.
 

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Mancey said:
Most (not all) people i know in I.T. have ended up hating it and wanting to swap careers after a few years.

There's better options for the technically minded imo, such as electrical engineering. Huge bucks and lots of opportunities in that.

IT has a robust glass ceiling that is hard to crack through unless you have the guts/knowhow to forge out on your own.
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Absolute rubbish.

Just because you know some people who don't like it, so what? Do you think the IT industry is full of people who don't like it?

I know over 50 people in IT who are on over $200k. There are far more opportunities in IT than electrical engineering. I know literlly hundreds of people on $150k plus.

The glass ceiling you talk about? Where do you get your information from? You need to stop talking out of your arse.
 
-TAZZA- said:
What do you guys think of the worth of I.T degrees?
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If I were to sum it up in one word: lucrative


Pound for pound, IT is the most lucrative industry I have ever seen. Know plenty of people who aren't academic geniuses who are earning far more than most other industries.
 
mdc said:
Eh, don't really agree.

I.T. degrees have lost value faster than any other degree over the last 10 years as the IT knowledge of the masses has greatly improved and more jobs are going overseas. Even proper computer science majors aren't nearly as well off as before.

If you're really passionate about it (and talented), then just like any discipline it's good, but if you're doing it for career prospect, that seems a poor move to me.
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Not true. Miles from the truth.
 
-TAZZA- said:
I'm more interested in the project management/businessy side of IT. A Bachelor of Business Information Systems / Commerce degree is what I'm interested in doing in a few years when I finish VCE.
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As in Business Analyst? Product manager?

You'd start on $50k as a BA and after 5 years if you're average or better the going rate is $120k. In 7-8 years if you're a project manager expect $150-$250k depending on how good you are and how big your role is.

Product manager. Start on $40k at a more jumior role. I 3-4 years you can be on $100k.
 
Guy Miarchi said:
Absolute rubbish.

Just because you know some people who don't like it, so what? Do you think the IT industry is full of people who don't like it?

I know over 50 people in IT who are on over $200k. There are far more opportunities in IT than electrical engineering. I know literlly hundreds of people on $150k plus.

The glass ceiling you talk about? Where do you get your information from? You need to stop talking out of your arse.
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Think you missed the "not all", and the "money to be made with guts and know how" part of my post before you went all prima donna.

I don't think you a lot about the demand/money being paid for electrical engineers over here in the west in the mining industry. And unlike I.T., the "average" person can earn massive coin just doing the job. There's lots of jobs in IT over here, big earning jobs, in my experience, not so much.

Threads about people giving opinions, that's mine
 
Guy Miarchi said:
Not true. Miles from the truth.
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You only need to look at the demand for IT degrees over that time at university level. Nosedived in the early to mid 2000's before a slight recovery recently. Required ENTER (and in turn the caliber of people accepted) dropped something like 10 points.

Guy Miarchi said:
As in Business Analyst? Product manager?

You'd start on $50k as a BA and after 5 years if you're average or better the going rate is $120k. In 7-8 years if you're a project manager expect $150-$250k depending on how good you are and how big your role is.

Product manager. Start on $40k at a more jumior role. I 3-4 years you can be on $100k.
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If you're a project manager in any seriously field you're going to be on good coin. That's nothing specific to IT.

Really, it's the same as someone coming into a commerce thread and blabbing on about IB. Those numbers you're mentioning are not typical, and are not a good indication of what the average person in the industry will be earning. It's not too difficult to look onto seek.com or wherever and see as much.
 
Guy Miarchi knows dick. That much is known.

I've worked for two of Australia's biggest IT companies, would have been about 7 blokes on 150k or more. At best.
 
Pancey said:
I don't think you a lot about the demand/money being paid for electrical engineers over here in the west in the mining industry.
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I live in Perth. I am mates with 2 guys who run a couple of the bigger recruitment agencies in Perth. I'm very aware. But in the grand scheme of things we are not really talking about mining. Most people on this thread are from Victoria and probably don't intend doing a degree and travelling to the pilbura to get a job.

And unlike I.T., the "average" person can earn massive coin just doing the job. There's lots of jobs in IT over here, big earning jobs, in my experience, not so much.

Threads about people giving opinions, that's mine
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In your experience:rolleyes:

Tell me, what is your experience? Have you been working in the IT industry for 10 years? Because I have and I can tell you that the average person can easily earn over $150k. I literally know hundreds of people who earn this much. It's pretty standard.

Do I have to go to seek and post a heap of job ads to convince you that you don't know your dick from your elbow?
 
Guy Miarchi said:
As in Business Analyst? Product manager?

You'd start on $50k as a BA and after 5 years if you're average or better the going rate is $120k. In 7-8 years if you're a project manager expect $150-$250k depending on how good you are and how big your role is.

Product manager. Start on $40k at a more jumior role. I 3-4 years you can be on $100k.
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Yeah more the BA/Project Management. What kind of degrees are suitable for a job like this?
 
Guy Miarchi said:
Tell me, what is your experience? Have you been working in the IT industry for 10 years?
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Working in technical departments incorporating IT since 1997, and managing one for the last 5

If you make it to senior management you'll be on big coin in pretty much any field, but if you're looking at doing a degree to earn some good coin straight off the bat there's better options than IT, imo.

Going by your posting style You sound like an alias of some banned bay 13 supergenius, so prob leave it at that
 
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