Tertiary and Continuing Which degrees are useless/useful?

[Hollow Knight]

Is that all you've got in response? Come on man, you can do better than just give up.

Is that what they teach in Arts degrees?

Always amusing when you clarify your own post in response to a communication breakdown yet the other poster is so totally invested in "winning" the argument that you weren't even having that they just go "nah... I'm pretty sure you were saying...".

For someone going on about "context" you seem to have completely ignored the paragraphs in my post that provided said context. You even deleted them when you quoted me. Hehehehe.

You aren't making any point relevant to the topic of the thread.

I was providing a response to comments earlier in the thread that were suggesting Arts degrees have no value. If you can't see the relevance than I think you are struggling.

 

[Vic Vinegar]

Always amusing when you clarify your own post in response to a communication breakdown yet the other poster is so totally invested in "winning" the argument that you weren't even having that they just go "nah... I'm pretty you you were saying...".

How so?

Point is, the thread is about comparing degrees not comparing grads. I assumed you were replying relevantly to the thread Your initial post really added nothing to the conversation in that regard, sorry I replied to it.

 

[Hollow Knight]

How so?

I pointed out that you were mistaken when you said I was implying Arts Degree > Law Degree (which if you read the first and third paragraphs you probably would have realised). But instead of going "ah ok, communication breakdown, no worries" you just tried to revive the argument we weren't even having.

I'm done - this unnecessary back-and-forth must be boring the living piss out of everyone.

 

[nobbyiscool]

Wow. Didn't this thread get shit?

No one cares how big your dicks are guys.

The best bit of advice I'd give to any law students or arts students it ignore the bullshit you've read in the last couple of pages.

The thing you will find in both fields of study is that, once you have that first job and you've been in the workforce a few years, your degree is much less important to employers than the work experience you have.

So really, most of the dick measuring you're reading in this thread, in my opinion, is about the ability to get the first job. And if you're academic transcript looks good, if you're realistic in the jobs you apply for, and maybe if you're prepared to relocate, most uni graduates in a reasonable sized city shouldn't have too much trouble.

Neither degree is a dud. Both fields of study have an array of different elements that you can study. I know dozens of arts graduates who've done well in tertiary education, secondary education, government and private sector. I don't know as many law graduates - but of those that I do know, the first jobs they got were rubbish jobs that didn't play well, but they're doing pretty well now.

And the first job in most fields is generally pretty rubbish and lowly paid. That certainly isn't exclusive to law.

I'd love it if you could take your dick measuring elsewhere and leave those curious about the genuine worth of degrees to be able to find something useful in this thread. Cos they sure as shit haven't gotten anything worthwhile out of the last couple of pages.

 

[Vic Vinegar]

Haha, I've already pointed out, multiple times, that I don't consider law degrees to be that valuable. Certainly in the bottom third of useful degrees. Hardly dick measuring.

Medicine, engineering etc > law > Arts. That's my point. Sadly, TheBrownDog missed it.

 

[nobbyiscool]

You made your point at least 4 times - every body got it.

 

[Vic Vinegar]

You made your point at least 4 times - every body got it.

Except TheBrownDog

 

[NTRabbit]

Except TheBrownDog

You're mistaking getting your point with agreeing with it - we all got your point, we all just happen to be chuckling and shaking our heads, because we know you're wrong.

 

[Vic Vinegar]

You're mistaking getting your point with agreeing with it - we all got your point, we all just happen to be chuckling and shaking our heads, because we know you're wrong.

Wrong? How? The stats prove me right- Arts degrees lead to less employment as a direct result than other degrees.

Simple.

 

[manboob]

 

[NTRabbit]

I haven't been on a campus in 10 years, mildly amusing to learn that Law students never change, and probably never will.

Continue to ignore this derail, education seekers!

 

[Shoei]

Oi don't tar all Law students with the same brush.

 

[RAPPA]

Law degrees had merit when the ability to obtain the degree was harder.

Now every University offers a law degree to the point where you may as well find a law degree in one-in-five Corn Flakes boxes.

The only way to even come close to rectifying the problem is by restricting the universities that can offer the course.

You print too much money then it loses its value.

 

[Vic Vinegar]

Law degrees had merit when the ability to obtain the degree was harder.

Now every University offers a law degree to the point where you may as well find a law degree in one-in-five Corn Flakes boxes.

The only way to even come close to rectifying the problem is by restricting the universities that can offer the course.

You print too much money then it loses its value.

Yep. The single dumbest, most idiotic thing the ALP did under Gillard was to remove caps for undergraduate courses. But she (and Labor) had her own ideological reasons for that (which is a separate argument).

The right thing to do would have been to further tighten caps on courses which have already met industry demand (like law, commerce, arts etc.) to free up funding for degrees in areas of skills shortages.

Silly, stupid ALP.

 

[Shoei]

Law degrees are easy to get yes, but doing well in Law is still hard.

Here in WA Curtin has just started offering Law degrees and it's no secret that the Law society was against it, citing that there were already too many grads being pumped out in such a small market.

 

[Vic Vinegar]

Law degrees are easy to get yes, but doing well in Law is still hard.

Here in WA Curtin has just started offering Law degrees and it's no secret that the Law society was against it, citing that there were already too many grads being pumped out in such a small market.

That the sad thing about it, isn't it? Wouldn't you rather Law be hard because the quality of teaching and examination is high or that Law is hard simply because there are so many students you need to do better than.

I understand that universities are businesses, but they are public businesses and the Federal Government need to do a hell of a lot better in regulating them.

 

[Dory_77]

Unis love law because it draws top fees (or is least subsidised under HECS so they get the most money from it [at least that's what I've read/heard]) and because it's seen as prestigious/valuable to kids straight out of school then there'll always be a high demand for it. It is increasingly becoming the new 'arts' though and should be better regulated.

 

[SterlingArcher]

The only useless degree is the degree you do not enjoy or are not passionate about.

If you want to be an electrician, no, an engineering degree is not better. Just get an apprenticeship. Too many people equate "going to uni" as "being smart and becoming a professional in a suit", which is not necessarily better. Electricians, plumbers, builders, miners, laborers, loggers, ship crew etc all jobs not requiring a degree that are needed. Arts degree can get you where you want to be - just need (like all degrees) to supplement your piece of paper with some personal and professional skills. Specific degrees like Agricultural Science or Antarctic Science can be not 'useless' as such, but definitely unnecessary to pigeon-hole yourself like that. Do a broader degree, narrow down hard closer to grad time, and go into your chosen field - but it's better to have that bit of a back up just in case it doesn't work out.

And it becomes even less important as some unis will accept more students in coming years as a way of competing with bigger unis - courses like Vet Science for one. Law for another. Just accepting massive intakes. Supply & demand etc.

 

[checkraiseulite]

Unis love law because it draws top fees (or is least subsidised under HECS so they get the most money from it [at least that's what I've read/heard]) and because it's seen as prestigious/valuable to kids straight out of school then there'll always be a high demand for it. It is increasingly becoming the new 'arts' though and should be better regulated.

It also requires minimal resources in terms of pracs/tech and can be taught by moonlighters.

Don't see anything wrong with law becoming the new arts, having done a law degree.

As far as practising goes, everything is learned on the job.

 

[NTRabbit]

As far as practising goes, everything is learned on the job.

There's also pretty considerable elitism in firm's hiring policies because of how many law graduates actually seeking a legal career there are compared to open positions in this country. Friend of mine did Law at Adelaide Uni and passed with mostly HDs I believe, and even he was butting his head against a few ceilings.

 

[checkraiseulite]

There's also pretty considerable elitism in firm's hiring policies because of how many law graduates actually seeking a legal career there are compared to open positions in this country. Friend of mine did Law at Adelaide Uni and passed with mostly HDs I believe, and even he was butting his head against a few ceilings.

what do you mean? nepotism? or elitism in terms of socio-economic background, private school etc.

 

[NTRabbit]

what do you mean? nepotism? or elitism in terms of socio-economic background, private school etc.

As in which university you got your law degree from; some firms won't even look at your CV if you didn't get yours at the right sandstone, etc

This is for getting your start of course, once you're in it's all experience and reputation, friend was already headhunted to a bigger and better firm on a lot more money than his first outing.

 

[Hudu Gurusingha]

The relevance of degrees changes in different economic times I think.

An engineering degree by itself is next to useless at the moment because there are no jobs.
Pscyh degrees by themselves are as useless as **** on a bull. You need to do post-grad to get anywhere with psych.
Many specialised sports science post grad streams (eg: biomechanics, sports psych) are pretty useless again cos there is few jobs. Everyone wants to work for an AFL club. Everyone wants to be a sports teacher too. Branching into OHS is still smart, but the work is boring as batshit (from firsthand experience)
Marketing, journalism degrees are useless.
Law degrees are becoming increasingly useless. Wish is a shame cos most law students are smug pricks.

The most useful degrees at the moment I think are anything to do with looking after the ageing population and prolonging their death.

I did Sport Science and a Dip Ed and have never been short of career options. But further study and accreditation is vitally important to keep your options open. I've completed a Diploma of OHS and have accreditation with ESSA. While its been hard to land teaching jobs cos of the huge teacher excess, I've gained work in Injury Management as an Exercise Physiologist and now work in Health and Safety, and the pay in this is very good. Next move for me is to gain some coaching accreditations and try once again to get into teaching next year with the year 7 cohort stuff.

 

[Affidavit]

A Law degree can assist you in everyday life and in any business, property, commercial etc dealings you have. It is incredibly useful even if you don't practice law.

 

[jinny1]

Law degrees are so common nowadays...They've become almost paperweight unless you got connections or graduate from one of the top 3 law schools.

It gives me a chuckle when i hear some random semi-TAFE institute offering law...I mean how will they compete with the people i know doing Juris Doctor at Melbourne and Sydney University?

Lol all the med/dent students are laughing at the amount of Arts vs Law debate going on here -.-