Which side fails to play in September?

[dean33]

If Brisbane do miss the eight it should put to bed forever the unmitigated drivel you read all over this site that the uneven fixturing doesn't influence who plays finals or wins premierships.
They have had the hardest draw across the season, by some margin.
Would it finally wake up the idiots running the comp to overhaul fixturing if it happens?

As reigning premiers shouldn't they receive the hardest draw?

 

[Piggy Smalls]

If Brisbane do miss the eight it should put to bed forever the unmitigated drivel you read all over this site that the uneven fixturing doesn't influence who plays finals or wins premierships.
They have had the hardest draw across the season, by some margin.
Would it finally wake up the idiots running the comp to overhaul fixturing if it happens?

It would probably come down to who wins it.
Say an expansion side such as Gold Coast or GWS win it. That will be great for footy and nothing to see here.

 

[PerthBoy86]

If Brisbane do miss the eight it should put to bed forever the unmitigated drivel you read all over this site that the uneven fixturing doesn't influence who plays finals or wins premierships.
They have had the hardest draw across the season, by some margin.
Would it finally wake up the idiots running the comp to overhaul fixturing if it happens?

Yet they've lost 5 at the Gabba, its like a 50% win rate or something, and are undefeated or nearly undefeated away. That is strange. They often seem to drop the bundle against sides they should win (drawing to North, losing to Melbourne at home, even we gave them a scare over there), while winning the tough ones. So I'm not sure the tough draw has factored in Brisbane's record this season.

As to your point yeah I think we all agree fixturing is stuffed and needs to change.

 

[The Feeder Club]

As reigning premiers shouldn't they receive the hardest draw?

No

 

[mpal6]

As reigning premiers shouldn't they receive the hardest draw?

If it happens every year - fine. They've cherry picked this one to see if we'll buckle and miss the 8.

Our lowest double up turned out to be Swans (10th in ladder) who are having a down year but still good enough on their day. Starting from St.Kilda 11th to West Coast 18th - we got to play them once all season. We made it difficult on ourselves by drawing vs North and losing to Demons - that's how perfect we needed to be, to be in contention this late in season.

Biased me hope we still make the finals cut and thumb our noses on the fixturing idiots in head office. Here's hoping.

 

[The Tilt]

We made it difficult on ourselves by drawing vs North and losing to Demons - that's how perfect we needed to be, to be in contention this late in season.

Jesus, calm down. You've not "needed to be perfect". You've lost six games plus drawn another: win one of those seven and you're more or less guaranteed finals.

 

[The Tilt]

Much as it's not been a great season, it's shaping up to be a good finish. F**ked if I know who misses out.

Also, for all the claims that we need a 10-team final series to keep it interesting, it would have sucked much of the interest out of the final rounds of this season.

 

[QuietB]

If Brisbane do miss the eight it should put to bed forever the unmitigated drivel you read all over this site that the uneven fixturing doesn't influence who plays finals or wins premierships.
They have had the hardest draw across the season, by some margin.
Would it finally wake up the idiots running the comp to overhaul fixturing if it happens?

That may be true, but it is not why Brisbane will miss finals.

Brisbane drew with North, lost to Melbourne at home, lost to GWS at home and lost to Sydney at home.

If, and it is a massive if, they lose to Hawthorn at home and miss finals that is 100% on Brisbane for not taking care of their own business.

 

[The Feeder Club]

That may be true, but it is not why Brisbane will miss finals.

Brisbane drew with North, lost to Melbourne at home, lost to GWS at home and lost to Sydney at home.

If, and it is a massive if, they lose to Hawthorn at home and miss finals that is 100% on Brisbane for not taking care of their own business.

Nope. If they had a fixture on par with other teams they would almost certainly have one more win at least because their double ups have been ridiculous. If they miss finals I never want to read again that the fixture doesn't determine who makes it

 

[timokane]

Done the ladder thing most teams that end in 9th are gws then hawks.
I think dogs make it and dont see hawks missing either so its gws for me for that 9th spot.
on the flip side i did the top 4 and most likely top 4 is:
1. crows
2. cats
3. suns
4. pies

 

[timokane]

Pies win v crows and dees they too can make even top 2 doubt it but it can happen need to play alot better tho

 

[nineteen eighty]

This fixture discussion re: Brisbane is perplexing. The premier traditionally is given a tough draw the following year. Brisbane got a tough draw. No surprises there. As QuietB has already called out, Brisbane drew with North, lost to Melbourne at home, lost to GWS at home and lost to Sydney at home. It's noones fault but Brisbanes IF they miss out.

On the fixture discussion, does anyone know what draw the last 5 premiers were given the year after winning the flag? The only one I can think of who had a soft fixture post flag was Geelong (only kidding Catters...I have no idea).

 

[PowerfulPies2023]

This fixture discussion re: Brisbane is perplexing. The premier traditionally is given a tough draw the following year. Brisbane got a tough draw. No surprises there. As QuietB has already called out, Brisbane drew with North, lost to Melbourne at home, lost to GWS at home and lost to Sydney at home. It's noones fault but Brisbanes IF they miss out.

On the fixture discussion, does anyone know what draw the last 5 premiers were given the year after winning the flag? The only one I can think of who had a soft fixture post flag was Geelong (only kidding Catters...I have no idea).

Afl tables can show you everything

 

[Bushdid911]

If it happens every year - fine. They've cherry picked this one to see if we'll buckle and miss the 8.

Our lowest double up turned out to be Swans (10th in ladder) who are having a down year but still good enough on their day. Starting from St.Kilda 11th to West Coast 18th - we got to play them once all season. We made it difficult on ourselves by drawing vs North and losing to Demons - that's how perfect we needed to be, to be in contention this late in season.

Biased me hope we still make the finals cut and thumb our noses on the fixturing idiots in head office. Here's hoping.

You drew bulldogs twice and played one of them at the Gabba, and the dogs home game was at Norwood, where only you'd played before. That's quite the shafting.

 

[Milanista28]

Collingwood aren't home yet, Crows and Dees who are capable if the Pies are still looking tired.

If the Giants can beat Suns, the Pies will have to win 1 game as their % will have them susceptible to the rest of the sides who will get to 60 points.

 

[nineteen eighty]

Afl tables can show you everything

I was hoping someone else has already done the analysis to save my lazy @rse

Brisbane's has landed as a tough draw. Collingwood from memory also had a tough draw.

Looking at Geelong's, they played West Coast, North, Saints, Power and Bulldogs twice. I was joking in my earlier post but maybe there's something in my comment about them. Putting that aside, it's a fair assertion to make that the premier traditionally gets a tough draw the following year.

And yes what may look like a tough draw before a game has been played may turn out otherwise once teams start playing.

 

[iameviljez]

It really says something that a side that sits 13 and 8, with a percentage in the 130s, could actually miss the finals entirely.

To think that in 1995, the Bears made it with a record of 10-12 and a % of 95

 

[The Feeder Club]

This fixture discussion re: Brisbane is perplexing. The premier traditionally is given a tough draw the following year. Brisbane got a tough draw. No surprises there. As QuietB has already called out, Brisbane drew with North, lost to Melbourne at home, lost to GWS at home and lost to Sydney at home. It's noones fault but Brisbanes IF they miss out.

On the fixture discussion, does anyone know what draw the last 5 premiers were given the year after winning the flag? The only one I can think of who had a soft fixture post flag was Geelong (only kidding Catters...I have no idea).

I guess what isn't perplexing is how many people now blindly accept the AFL line that the fixture should be used as an equalisation measure. Stockholm syndrome is real.

But even the AFL say that, under their flawed system, the top 6 from last year should have the hardest double match ups this year (based on last year's form), so in reality this outcome that has disadvantaged Brisbane had nothing to do with them being premier. It could equally have been put on to any of the top 6 from last year.

The system is stuffed, yet I still read all the time that the fixture has nothing to do with who makes finals and if you're good enough you won't miss. Well Brisbane are easily in the best 8 teams in the country, their best is still probably in the top 2. The fixture is a significant contributor to the problem if they miss finals

 

[mpal6]

You drew bulldogs twice and played one of them at the Gabba, and the dogs home game was at Norwood, where only you'd played before. That's quite the shafting.

Considering you keep taking us to Ballarat outpost Mars stadium in the previous years where you have significant advantage - Norwood brings more fairness in terms of neutral venues. We played there once before ! one solitary game !

Your double ups this season - North Melbourne, St Kilda, Brisbane, GWS, Fremantle, Essendon. 4 games vs bottom 4, that's a decent head start compared to the rest of the clubs.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

As reigning premiers shouldn't they receive the hardest draw?

The fixture should be as even as practicallly possible

 

[iameviljez]

The system is stuffed, yet I still read all the time that the fixture has nothing to do with who makes finals and if you're good enough you won't miss. Well Brisbane are easily in the best 8 teams in the country, their best is still probably in the top 2. The fixture is a significant contributor to the problem if they miss finals

Put it this way, we lucked out something shocking with the fixture (certain sides having a massive fall from grace doesn't hurt), but there's no way we make top two without that very very soft run home.

 

[PrancingPony]

Lot of tired teams, Brisbane and Collingwood both falling short, all of Fremantle, Bulldogs and Adelaide struggled to get across against inferior teams.

It's really anyone's game.

 

[Piggy Smalls]

Hate to say it, but the loser of Fremantle and Brisbane could be in a bit of strife.

 

[Hobbes]

If Brisbane do miss the eight it should put to bed forever the unmitigated drivel you read all over this site that the uneven fixturing doesn't influence who plays finals or wins premierships.
They have had the hardest draw across the season, by some margin.
Would it finally wake up the idiots running the comp to overhaul fixturing if it happens?

I don’t see how to avoid the possibility except for:

(a) Every team plays all of the others once
(b) Every team plays all of the others twice
(c) 17-5 or similar - Every team plays all of the others once, then the draw is reconsidered.

 

[Piggy Smalls]

I don’t see how to avoid the possibility except for:

(a) Every team plays all of the others once
(b) Every team plays all of the others twice
(c) 17-5 or similar - Every team plays all of the others once, then the draw is reconsidered.

The common sense solution is (a) but we all know the AFL aren't going to throw away all those precious dollars.