White Knight - Kreuzer Article

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http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21947288%5E19742,00.html

I know some are a little over the chat about Kreuzer and him looking like being the kid we take at Pick 1 but I thought those of you interested might be interested in reading this article and seeing just what the hyoe is about.

Here is a snippet of the article:

Take Essendon's respected list manager Adrian Dodoro, who knows with seven wins already that his club is going to be out of the race.
"Matthew is a rare talent with an ability to influence games like few others who have come through the system. A really exciting young player," Dodoro.
Or Geelong Falcons regional manager Michael Turner, who in the past 12 years has overseen players such as Jonathan Brown, Matthew Scarlett and Gary Ablett Jr.
"I should qualify my assessment by admitting I've only seen Matthew Kreuzer play once, on a wet day in Colac earlier this year," Turner said.
"In that game he produced one of the most outstanding under-18 performances I've seen. He has the speed of a wingman and agility of a ruck-rover and also showed a lot of grit on a wet day."
Western Bulldogs recruiting manager Scott Clayton knows that Kreuzer will be long gone before the Bulldogs have a pick in the draft but he likes what he's seen.
"He finds the ball easier than most ruckmen I've seen and accumulates a lot of possession.," Clayton said.
Kreuzer has agility, can run 20m in 3.06sec and has recorded a beep test of 14.5, but he finds the increasing attention embarrassing.

 

[PHX]

Get him, I dont care what people say about ruckman and early picks, it's about time we picked the best guy on offer and if that means a ready made rckman instead of a 3-year-project-twig then so be it.

 

[itsintheblood]

Get him, I dont care what people say about ruckman and early picks, it's about time we picked the best guy on offer and if that means a ready made rckman instead of a 3-year-project-twig then so be it.

I agree. We MUST take the best player available regardless of what he is. God knows we need a talented KPP.

Let's pray carlton win another game.

GO BLUES!!!!

 

[tigers71]

I agree. We MUST take the best player available regardless of what he is. God knows we need a talented KPP.

Let's pray carlton win another game.

GO BLUES!!!!

Never thought we would be supporting the enemy. One of our disliked foes. Have we all changed our tunes about Calton.

 

[Darth_Tiger]

he barracks for collingwood. next year he will barrack for richmond.

 

[lookkg386]

I agree. We MUST take the best player available regardless of what he is. God knows we need a talented KPP.

Let's pray carlton win another game.

GO BLUES!!!!

Totally agree, Must take best out there, and Carlton look good enough to snag another win I hope.

 

[Kyusss]

Kreuzer Casserly Jon Riewoldt Brown Coglahn Simmonds into our side next year that would be great
GO BLUES!

 

[lids2004roar]

I wonder if he is far ahead of Cotchin?

Kreuzer is "Embarassed" by attention, he already is an introverted quiet bloke who doesn't want any fame and this is before he comes to Punt Road where the loser mentallity may creep in... Let's hope he has a strong inner character

If Cotchin was just as talented then we may consider going with a genuine leader who is labelled a potential future AFL captain.

Character will be looked at too of course. Kreuzer sounds fantastic, hopefully he'll become the player Josh Fraser was meant to be and hopefully he doesn't follow in Brad Ottens' footsteps

His stats are very impressive, it's common to end up with 21 possies, 6 tackles, 30 hit outs and a goal or two. Will a match of his be on TV anytime soon?

 

[PHX]

Never thought we would be supporting the enemy. One of our disliked foes. Have we all changed our tunes about Calton.

One more win and I'll go back to normal!

 

[Goffa]

I agree. We MUST take the best player available regardless of what he is. God knows we need a talented KPP.

Let's pray carlton win another game.

GO BLUES!!!!

I'm deeply flattered that you didn't say 'Go Demons'. Though I guess that would be hard at least today!
A guy called Ben McEvoy got a mention as a prospect to watch in the under-18 carnival, same height/weight, same general description of mobility, skills, leadership, just a bit less hype.
So there might even be a choice of quality ruck/KP talent from this draft.

 

[wart101]

If he's that good i hope we get this guy!!!! but won't carlton get him if they don't win one more game?

 

[tigerdan]

Kreuzer is "Embarassed" by attention, he already is an introverted quiet bloke who doesn't want any fame and this is before he comes to Punt Road where the loser mentallity may creep in... Let's hope he has a strong inner character

Let me first say that I hope like hell we do not win the spoon. It is shameful.

Secondly, Bruce Doull was as introverted as they come and a damn fine footballer. Gary Ablett (before he disgraced himself) too.

We don't need every single player to be a future captain.

I agree with you about our game plan not needing a good ruckman though. The question will be 'is he so much better than the rest that we have to take him'. I'm open minded about whoever we pick.

 

[lookkg386]

In a way, we are assured of top two pick and both look very good, not a bad place to be at.

 

[richoatthedisco]

anyone given thought to the fact that we might easily win 5 or 6 of our last 11 and not even get a top 3 pick??!

 

[Calcium Man]

Secondly, Bruce Doull was as introverted as they come and a damn fine footballer. Gary Ablett (before he disgraced himself) too.

We don't need every single player to be a future captain.

Lets be honest those two guys played in a different era with far less media scrutiny. They also didnt play for richmond.

We are the one club, especially now we have so few real leaders, that needs kids with big personailites. Its part of the reason i think Danny Meyer struggles. He plays a bad game gets down on himself, fans rip into him so gets even more depressed which is followed by another bad game and cycle repeats itself.

All that being said i think Kreuzer was probably just saying the standard response to hype of being pick 1 and im sure if you look back at deledio he probably said something similar.

 

[Madtiger2006]

anyone given thought to the fact that we might easily win 5 or 6 of our last 11 and not even get a top 3 pick??!

yeah I'm worried about that lol. We really should play more kids so it doesn't look like we threw any games away

 

[Richo Rules]

kruezer is the man we want and need
dean cox type who runs around the ground like an onballer
sounds good to me

knobel doesnt look like he will be here next year
simmo is copping lots of injuries
graham isnt ready yet and patto has been trying to do it all
we need a gun ruckman and he is it
and can play forward too

 

[lids2004roar]

We lost the "Kreuzer Cup" and Browny says "our season starts now" (after saying he wanted to play finals this year haha )

If we win next week against St Kilda coming back from the Eagles at Subiaco then that leaves 9 rounds where we are only aloud to win ONE game or we lose the PP and likely get off the bottom for good.

If we win next week and the Dees don't, we are no longer on the bottom. I wouldn't be surprised if we finished 15th of 14th.

 

[Calcium Man]

We lost the "Kreuzer Cup" and Browny says "our season starts now" (after saying he wanted to play finals this year haha )

If we win next week against St Kilda coming back from the Eagles at Subiaco then that leaves 9 rounds where we are only aloud to win ONE game or we lose the PP and likely get off the bottom for good.

If we win next week and the Dees don't, we are no longer on the bottom. I wouldn't be surprised if we finished 15th of 14th.

It would probably mean we would get cotchin instead of Kreuzer which would give the recruitment department a bit less of a headache.

 

[Weaver]

kruezer is the man we want and need
dean cox type who runs around the ground like an onballer
sounds good to me

Kreuzer does not run around like an onballer. He plays a kick behind play, and then follows it down for the bounces and stoppages. He dominates at stoppages and has a great ability to find the ball at ground level in the broken play and packs after a stoppage.

He becomes 'like' a midfielder after a spoil, hitout, dropped mark etc. He is not motoring around the ground as an extra ruck-rover in the way that Goodes or Stynes do/did.

He is more Hille / Fraser / Lade. A ruckman with a leap and good tapping skills, who is mobile and skilled. Very good below his knees which is rare in a ruckman. Doesn't mind charging through a pack which is super-rare in junior ruckmen. He can go forward and take a contested mark like Stafford - but is not a lightning lead.

His kicking is top-notch. He has a football mind and moves the ball quickly. He takes up great positions on the field and 'makes' opponents kick it to him. The Fraser comparison is probably better than the Cox one. Not super-tall (199) but smart, mobile, skilled and talented.

 

[Weaver]

I wonder if he is far ahead of Cotchin?

If Cotchin was just as talented then we may consider going with a genuine leader who is labelled a potential future AFL captain.

Cotchin is more Nathan Brown / Alan Didak than an established pure midfielder.

Cotchin's 'pace' is in his brain. He sees things faster than anyone else and moves a fraction of a second before anyone else. He has a short-stride and accelarates quickly over 5m. That is enough to get to the ball, or away from a pack to have time to steady. He would lose a 25m sprint to most guys though and will test badly at the camp.

He really plays mostly as a clever HF like Didak does. Tricks, magic, classic moments. Tackling a guy and some how running away with the ball in his hands. Long 50m hoof to a FF who spills the mark, scrambles about a bit with the ball at ground level, knocks it on, only to see Cotchin swooping but to get the goal.

He reads and sees play as well as anyone. He scoops the ball off the ground cleanly and quickly like Rodan does. Only Rodan and Cotchin have the ability to excite a crowd simply by picking up the pill.

Is he a genuine midfielder or a super-elite HFF? Will he be 'stuck' up forward without the stamina to play in the middle like Brown and Pettifer? At 180cm he is he the big-bodied ruck-rover? If you were going for a pure centresquare player you'd probably prefer Chris Matsen who is much more Brock McLean.

 

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Weaver if you had to pick at this stage who do you think would be best fit for the Tigers of the 3 players you spoke about as I see you also mentioned Matsen?

 

[Weaver]

Weaver if you had to pick at this stage who do you think would be best fit for the Tigers of the 3 players you spoke about as I see you also mentioned Matsen?

Make no mistake. Our decisions is take Krezuer at 1 or trade the number 1 pick.

Do we trade pick 1 for picks / players and look to get a ruckman later in a very deep draft were saw talented but rawer tap ruckmen (Renton, Putt, Mulligan) will be around after pick 30? Can we extract more value from pick 1 by trading for pick4, pick 20 and a player?

Krezuer will be number 1. Won't matter who ends up with the pick (except maybe Brisbane or Adelaide)

Cotchin will be the Gary Ablett Jnr, Alan Didak, Nathan Brown champion small forward. Is Gary Ablett Jnr what we need? Do we spend pick 2 on him? Probably not. Pick 5 - certainly. No question he is good but is he a bit of a luxury with us needing to build a genuine midfield?

Chris Masten is a 180cm rover/centreman from WA. Huge numbers, good qualities, classy. But again it is rare to see a rover drafted top-5. Marc Murphy did it - but Brock McLean (who was fractionally better) went at 5. Do we need a midfielder? Yep. A 180cm rover? Ummm maybe.

Kreuzer will be 1.

Masten and Cotchin will be top-5.

Steve Gaertner who is a Jarred Brennan / Scott Pendlebury pure freak will be top-6 or so.

Lachie Henderson from Geelong should be the first of the KP players taken.

 

[lids2004roar]

About getting pick 1, in 2004 Hawthorn were favourites for the spoon halfway through the season and didn't look like getting off the bottom.

We are 1 win away from getting above Melbourne and after last week I am expecting us to finish above them.

Either way we should have a very good player with 1, 2 or 3 so how much would it cost to upgrade one of our late teen picks to a top 6-7? It will be interesting to see if GM trades pick 1 too, as stated in other threads it is the fastest way to build depth.

 

[Weaver]

Either way we should have a very good player with 1, 2 or 3 so how much would it cost to upgrade one of our late teen picks to a top 6-7? It will be interesting to see if GM trades pick 1 too, as stated in other threads it is the fastest way to build depth.

There are very few trades done nowdays. It is really a media / fan myth that trades happen. The number has declined every year - it was down to 9 last year.

Most trades now (Tarrant, Polak, Medhurst, Gardiner, Polak, Everitt) are player driven and mostly because of off-field stuff or because clubs have just got frustrated with players.

I don't think we have much to trade.

The idea that Krakouer, Meyer etc are tradeable is complete nonsense.

Schulz might be tradeable. Talls tend to retain some value.

So upgradeing a pick? 1 in 100 chance.