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Who are the best (and worst) goalkickers in the AFL?

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We discuss goalkicking a lot on BigFooty but can we really identify who is a good or bad kick for goal? Some are easy, I'd bet good money on Jeremy Cameron being a great kick for goal. But is someone like Joe Daniher really as bad as he has been made out?

I recently came across some top notch analysis, which I thought would be worthy of a thread on the main board. The link is below:

Who are the Best (and Worst) kicks in the Comp?

The article itself includes tables featuring every player who has had 10 scoring shots or more. They can be ordered by accuracy, player name, goals and behinds or even team if you just want to focus on your own players. So you can have a bit of fun playing around with the data.
http://figuringfooty.com/2017/07/20/who-are-the-best-and-worst-kicks-in-the-comp/
The article assesses goalkickers in three distinct ways:

1. Simple accuracy (goals / shot attempts).
2. Points scored compared with expected score.
3. Probability of scoring as many goals by luck.

Simple accuracy

On BigFooty we typically focus on (1) because that is the only data we really have access to. But it is the least useful measure to assess good goalkicking from bad simply because it doesn't tell us anything about the difficulty of the goals kicked. It's more difficult to kick a goal from the boundary line than it is from the corridor. Nevertheless, Ben McEvoy (Hawks) leads the league in simple accuracy at 92 per cent.

  1. McEvoy (Hawks) 11.1 92%
  2. Ah Chee (Suns) 12.2 86%
  3. Robinson (Lions) 9.2 82%
  4. Bastinac (Lions) 14.3 82%
  5. Petracca (Demons) 21.5 81%
  6. McDonald (Demons) 19.5 79%
  7. Petrie (Eagles) 11.3 79%
  8. Puopolo (Hawks) 14.4 78%
  9. Knight (Crows) 10.3 77%
Worst: Prestia (Tigers) 2.8 20%

Points scored compared with expected score

The second measure compares the points scored by a player against their expected score based on the difficulty of their shots. So each shot is assigned a probability of success (based on the league average from that position) and a good goalkicker would be one who has a positive net difference (actual score > expected score). Jeremy Cameron (Giants) leads the league in this category with a net difference of 34 points (Actual score 267 > expected score 233).

  1. Cameron (Giants) 267 > 233; 34
  2. Wright (Blues) 145 > 114; 31
  3. Patton (Giants) 208 > 177; 31
  4. Menzel (Cats) 208 > 177; 31
  5. Betts (Crows) 266 > 237; 29
  6. Fantasia (Bombers) 211 > 183; 28
  7. Motlop (Cats) 107 > 79; 28
  8. Bastinac (Lions) 87 > 59; 28
  9. Walker (Crows) 272 > 246; 26
  10. Hipwood (Lions) 170 > 144; 26
Worst: Weller (Saints) 72 < 101; -29

Probability of scoring as many goals by luck

The third measure compares a players actual score against the probability of an average player doing just as well from the same opportunities. So if a player had a score of 20 per cent this would mean that there is a 20 per cent chance that this goalkicker is really just an average goalkicker who has become lucky. The better the goalkicker the lower than probability is. Matthew Wright (Blues) leads the league in this category, with a probability of just 0.41 per cent.

  1. Wright (Blues) 0.41%
  2. Bastinac (Lions) 0.49%
  3. Robinson (Lions) 0.74%
  4. Patton (Gaints) 0.74%
  5. Motlop (Cats) 1.22%
  6. Petracca (Demons) 1.89%
  7. McEvoy (Hawks) 2.44%
  8. Menzel (Cats) 2.55%
  9. Martin (Suns) 3.42%
  10. Cotchin (Tigers) 3.73%
Worst: Bugg (Demons) 99.94%

Based on all the numbers available it appears as though Wright and Bastinac are the two best kicks for goal in the league. Among power forwards Patton and Cameron standout. Among the more prolific small-or-medium forwards the standouts are Menzel, Fantasia and Betts. Meanwhile if Bugg or Weller has a shot on goal your best bet is to start setting up your defensive structures.
 
If you'd told me at the start of the year that T Mac would kick 16.3 over 7 weeks, I'd have told you to take your insane rants elsewhere.

He's like the opposite of the norm. Has had hearts in mouths for years with his field kicking. Place him in front of the big sticks and he can't miss.
 
Mitch Robinson a bit of a surprise. I guess he was always a decent set shot at Carlton and just a terrible field kick
His set shot goal kicking was a huge suprise.

Having bastinac, hipwood and robinson mentioned above is a good thing for us. But we have always scored well. Most of our struggle is getting it to dangerous spots.
 

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Cotchin use to be just the worst for us up until this year. Would always miss.

His set shot routine now is literally take two steps and kick it like a pass from a mark. It means he can't kick it more than 40, but also means he isn't missing from 20m out dead in front like previous years.

Castagna right now for us is very hard to watch. Is so smart and get so many chances but missed too many.

On that list Petraccas record is awesome. 21.4 is very impressive
 
Patton is underrated as a goalshotter IMO. He can get them from the sideines or outside 50 as well. May not be tje best, but I know I'm most confident when he's lining up for us.
 
A lot of small samples sizes in this though.

Would be more interesting to see averaged over a couple of years for the smaller samples sizes.
 
All I know is, Jack Billings is dreadful from set shots.

Can't separate by set shots but based on the data this year Billings is a bottom 5 to 10 goalkicker in the league. St Kilda has a few guys who could be doing a lot better: both Weller and Gresham have wasted a lot of opportunities.
 

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Can't separate by set shots but based on the data this year Billings is a bottom 5 to 10 goalkicker in the league. St Kilda has a few guys who could be doing a lot better: both Weller and Gresham have wasted a lot of opportunities.
Yep. Hamill is doing a beyond horrible job as our forwards coach.

Last season, membrey and weller were automatic from anywhere on the ground. This season, Membrey has been borderline average and Weller has been abysmal, along with Billings. Gresham is horrible from set shots. I haven't looked at set shot stats, but I'd imagine Newnes, Lonnie, Ross and Steven are well down on simple set shot accuracy too.

The only players off the top of my head who have been reliable in front of goals this season is Bruce (was inconsistent early but come good of late), Acres and Steele. Besides Bruce, guys who rarely have shots on goals.

If Mav, Billings, Gresham, Weller and Lonnie nailed their simple set shots that they SHOULD be making. We are a lot better team. (Stating the obvious I know.)
 
Don't think Petracca is a great set shot... much better drilling from 50 on the run.

Jack Watts is our best by the length of the straight. I really like Gunston's action. Also think TMac has a good simple action that a lot of the tall guys try to replicate.
 

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We discuss goalkicking a lot on BigFooty but can we really identify who is a good or bad kick for goal? Some are easy, I'd bet good money on Jeremy Cameron being a great kick for goal. But is someone like Joe Daniher really as bad as he has been made out?

I recently came across some top notch analysis, which I thought would be worthy of a thread on the main board. The link is below:

Who are the Best (and Worst) kicks in the Comp?

The article itself includes tables featuring every player who has had 10 scoring shots or more. They can be ordered by accuracy, player name, goals and behinds or even team if you just want to focus on your own players. So you can have a bit of fun playing around with the data.
The article assesses goalkickers in three distinct ways:

1. Simple accuracy (goals / shot attempts).
2. Points scored compared with expected score.
3. Probability of scoring as many goals by luck.

Simple accuracy

On BigFooty we typically focus on (1) because that is the only data we really have access to. But it is the least useful measure to assess good goalkicking from bad simply because it doesn't tell us anything about the difficulty of the goals kicked. It's more difficult to kick a goal from the boundary line than it is from the corridor. Nevertheless, Ben McEvoy (Hawks) leads the league in simple accuracy at 92 per cent.

  1. McEvoy (Hawks) 11.1 92%
  2. Ah Chee (Suns) 12.2 86%
  3. Robinson (Lions) 9.2 82%
  4. Bastinac (Lions) 14.3 82%
  5. Petracca (Demons) 21.5 81%
  6. McDonald (Demons) 19.5 79%
  7. Petrie (Eagles) 11.3 79%
  8. Puopolo (Hawks) 14.4 78%
  9. Knight (Crows) 10.3 77%
Worst: Prestia (Tigers) 2.8 20%

Points scored compared with expected score

The second measure compares the points scored by a player against their expected score based on the difficulty of their shots. So each shot is assigned a probability of success (based on the league average from that position) and a good goalkicker would be one who has a positive net difference (actual score > expected score). Jeremy Cameron (Giants) leads the league in this category with a net difference of 34 points (Actual score 267 > expected score 233).

  1. Cameron (Giants) 267 > 233; 34
  2. Wright (Blues) 145 > 114; 31
  3. Patton (Giants) 208 > 177; 31
  4. Menzel (Cats) 208 > 177; 31
  5. Betts (Crows) 266 > 237; 29
  6. Fantasia (Bombers) 211 > 183; 28
  7. Motlop (Cats) 107 > 79; 28
  8. Bastinac (Lions) 87 > 59; 28
  9. Walker (Crows) 272 > 246; 26
  10. Hipwood (Lions) 170 > 144; 26
Worst: Weller (Saints) 72 < 101; -29

Probability of scoring as many goals by luck

The third measure compares a players actual score against the probability of an average player doing just as well from the same opportunities. So if a player had a score of 20 per cent this would mean that there is a 20 per cent chance that this goalkicker is really just an average goalkicker who has become lucky. The better the goalkicker the lower than probability is. Matthew Wright (Blues) leads the league in this category, with a probability of just 0.41 per cent.

  1. Wright (Blues) 0.41%
  2. Bastinac (Lions) 0.49%
  3. Robinson (Lions) 0.74%
  4. Patton (Gaints) 0.74%
  5. Motlop (Cats) 1.22%
  6. Petracca (Demons) 1.89%
  7. McEvoy (Hawks) 2.44%
  8. Menzel (Cats) 2.55%
  9. Martin (Suns) 3.42%
  10. Cotchin (Tigers) 3.73%
Worst: Bugg (Demons) 99.94%

Based on all the numbers available it appears as though Wright and Bastinac are the two best kicks for goal in the league. Among power forwards Patton and Cameron standout. Among the more prolific small-or-medium forwards the standouts are Menzel, Fantasia and Betts. Meanwhile if Bugg or Weller has a shot on goal your best bet is to start setting up your defensive structures.

It's vintage bigfooty that a solid OP based on some rigorous statistical analysis is just attracting people making assertions about the players on their side based on their ball drop.
 
At the Bulldogs....

Best set shot - Tory Dickson

Worst set shot - Jake Stringer

Based on this season the answer is actually Bontempelli who has scored 21 fewer points than expected given the quality of the shots he has had. Stringer is a below average converter though.

Bias aside I think Eddie Betts would have to be in the top few in the competition, doesn't miss too often and often from tough positions.

Jack Watts is one that I rate, very sound technique and cool under pressure.

Betts is one of the highest rated goalkickers in the sample. Watts also converts at a much higher rate than average.
 

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