Who do we cut first?

[bigman]

Given the fact we have now played a third of the season it is time for us to look at who needs to go next season to make our side a more potent unit in 2005.

I would suggest:
Carey ( i hope not)
Burns (I hope so)
Smart ( a true champion of this great footie club)
will all retire.

Clark may also decide to hang up the boots.
Stevo's knee may not make the cut.

That is five players already without even taking the knife to the list.

Other players at risk include:
Gallagher - if he cannot cut it this year
Shirley - great SANFL player, just not quite up to it.
Perrie - should be called "Ash Wednesday" because he always burns the ball. Trade with WA club - WCE.
Bode - is not getting a game anyway and has flaws in his game.
Smith - you cannot be a rookie for the rest of your life
Skipworth - if he does not play soon it questions the wisdom of putting him on the list this year
Biglands - eventually potential must become performance
Rutten - is he too slow for this level. The selectors must have their doubts as he has not got a game this year, despite our problems with KPP.

Given that most teams change their list by 6-8 players, it means that many of the above players will survive.

It appears at this stage Andrews will be elevated from the Rookie list at the end of the year.

Given we have a spare spot on our list at the moment is he able to upgraded now or are we too close to the salary cap to do this.

Your thoughts on this matter would be welcome.

 

[conVINCEd]

We will keep Biglands and Rutten.

IMO Rutten should be given consecutive games at FF. He might not be the fastest going around but he is strong, can take a mark and does convert.

Can't really complain about losing anyone else you've mentioned, although we all hope that M.Stevens comes good. Gallagher is a decent depth midfielder however.

Burton should be traded IMO.

 

[Alex99]

Originally posted by McLeod23

Can't really complain about losing anyone else you've mentioned, although we all hope that M.Stevens comes good. Gallagher is a decent depth midfielder however.

Burton should be traded IMO. [/B]

Keep Matty Bode.......but what would we get for Brett Burton and what do we expect to get for him if the club does trade him away.

Just few names l suggest
Trade brett Burton to:
Fremantle for B Shammer
Richmond for B Ottens
brisbane for S Black ( if only that could happen)
North Melb for D Wells


Any others you may beleave could happen.

 

[maccas_no1]

Originally posted by bigman
Given the fact we have now played a third of the season it is time for us to look at who needs to go next season to make our side a more potent unit in 2005.

I would suggest:
Carey ( i hope not)
Burns (I hope so)
Smart ( a true champion of this great footie club)
will all retire.

Clark may also decide to hang up the boots.
Stevo's knee may not make the cut.

That is five players already without even taking the knife to the list.

Other players at risk include:
Gallagher - if he cannot cut it this year
Shirley - great SANFL player, just not quite up to it.
Perrie - should be called "Ash Wednesday" because he always burns the ball. Trade with WA club - WCE.
Bode - is not getting a game anyway and has flaws in his game.
Smith - you cannot be a rookie for the rest of your life
Skipworth - if he does not play soon it questions the wisdom of putting him on the list this year
Biglands - eventually potential must become performance
Rutten - is he too slow for this level. The selectors must have their doubts as he has not got a game this year, despite our problems with KPP.

Given that most teams change their list by 6-8 players, it means that many of the above players will survive.

It appears at this stage Andrews will be elevated from the Rookie list at the end of the year.

Given we have a spare spot on our list at the moment is he able to upgraded now or are we too close to the salary cap to do this.

Your thoughts on this matter would be welcome.

 

[maccas_no1]

Originally posted by bigman
Given the fact we have now played a third of the season it is time for us to look at who needs to go next season to make our side a more potent unit in 2005.

I would suggest:
Carey ( i hope not)
Burns (I hope so)
Smart ( a true champion of this great footie club)
will all retire.

Clark may also decide to hang up the boots.
Stevo's knee may not make the cut.

That is five players already without even taking the knife to the list.

Other players at risk include:
Gallagher - if he cannot cut it this year
Shirley - great SANFL player, just not quite up to it.
Perrie - should be called "Ash Wednesday" because he always burns the ball. Trade with WA club - WCE.
Bode - is not getting a game anyway and has flaws in his game.
Smith - you cannot be a rookie for the rest of your life
Skipworth - if he does not play soon it questions the wisdom of putting him on the list this year
Biglands - eventually potential must become performance
Rutten - is he too slow for this level. The selectors must have their doubts as he has not got a game this year, despite our problems with KPP.

Given that most teams change their list by 6-8 players, it means that many of the above players will survive.

It appears at this stage Andrews will be elevated from the Rookie list at the end of the year.

Given we have a spare spot on our list at the moment is he able to upgraded now or are we too close to the salary cap to do this.

Your thoughts on this matter would be welcome.

Okay sorry stuffed my first post up somehow I hit submit post

Carey I hope if his current form continues will play on one more year lets be honest nobody can complain about his current form and commitment

Burns and Smart will retire Clarke on his current form also I would hope he will not retire.

Bode,Perrie and Burton are all tradedable and all should be traded

Gallagher,Shirley,Skipworth and Rutten should all remain with the AFC as they at least show some ticker, and are half decent players and dont continually burn the ball like the three above.

Biglands will not be traded or delisted he is a quality ruckman

 

[Stiffy_18]

Firstly, we cannot promote Andrews because of the tight salary cap.

Secondly, we can't get rid off all "dead wood" this year because there will possibly be 5 retirements.

Gallagher - good depth player. Might try to trade him but I doubt we would delist him
Shirley - Try to trade otherwise delist.
Perrie - Should have been traded last year when value was high. Won't get a burned chips for him now. He is contracted until the end of 2005 so we will probably keep him if we can't trade him
Bode - is out of favour. By far our best in and under midfielder who throws himself at the contest. Will probably try to trade him but he will NOT be delisted. He is too good a player to get delisted..
Smith - We should never have roookie listed him.
Skipworth - on this ice. I think he will get games later in the year.
Biglands - Will stay with the club.
Rutten - club rates him pretty highly and Iw ould think he will be given a chance at FF at some stage. He hasn't got a game yet because he had stress fractures and is getting match fitness in the SANFL. I reckon he could get a game soon.

I also think Mattner is on a thin ice as well.


I think all this is pointless at this point in time. A lot will depend on who will be our coach next year. If its Ayres then we can discuss this in a bit more detail. If its someone else then we really don't know what type of plan the new coach would have. Whether he will have a different game plan, whether he rates some players higher than Ayres and whether he doesn't rate some players as highly as Ayres. It will all depend on who will be the coach next year.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Re: Re: Who do we cut first?

Originally posted by maccas_no1
Okay sorry stuffed my first post up somehow I hit submit post

Try deleting the first post.

click on edit. Then there is a check box that says delete. Click that check box and then click on submit

 

[maccas_no1]

Re: Re: Re: Who do we cut first?

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Try deleting the first post.

click on edit. Then there is a check box that says delete. Click that check box and then click on submit

Nah that's one more post on post count

 

[macca23]

Assuming there are no significant trades, let's say that the club turns over 7 players max, not counting the rookie list.

3 spots are gone due to the retirements of Carey, Smart and Burns. (Could be delist for Burns, if he doesn't retire)

Let's also assume that Clarke plays on but Stevens doesn't make it. That's 4 spots gone.

My 3 additional ones are:-

Shirley - not currently rated in our top 30 given that he still can't get a game.

Skipworth - one of he and Gallagher have to go. At the moment Gags is getting games and Skippy isn't. That could change before year end.

Mattner - not too sure about this one because the club rate him more highly than do the supporters. But it would have to be him or Rutten, who is too slow for AFL footy.

Trades:-

If we were trading for an Ottens, I'd be prepared to make Biglands part of that deal. Otherwise he's a must keep.

Tradeables - Bode, Burton, Perrie (and to think we got howled down when we wanted to maximize Perrrie's trade value last year Stiffy )

Rookies to go: -

Dabrowski - rubbish

Smith - rubbish

Parker - honest but no star

Andrews - to the main list (there should be stacks of room under the cap, with some big names gone)

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by macca23
and to think we got howled down when we wanted to maximize Perrrie's trade value last year Stiffy

Ah well, now we have player that contracted for another year and is not worth a burnt chip

We could have come up with a very good deal for Perrie but we wanted to keep him. There are many players who are one year wonders and smart clubs realise this and move them on when their value is high. We screwed up now we got to live with it.

We should try Skippy as a crumber in the forward line. He will kick you a couple of goals and we should be happy with that.

But as I said all this will depend on who is the coach next year.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by macca23
Rookies to go: -

Dabrowski - rubbish

Smith - rubbish

Parker - honest but no star

Andrews - to the main list (there should be stacks of room under the cap, with some big names gone)

What about Hazell?

 

[kirky]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
What about Hazell?

Wasn't she in the Brady Bunch???

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
What about Hazell?

I should have known that you'd ask the hard question, Stiffy.

I deliberately diddn't mention him because I'm not sure. He's had a good year so far in the SANFL, but my fear is that if we promote him, we'll have yet another Gallagher, Skipworth type on the list.

We need mid-fielders with either real grunt at getting the hard ball or lightning speed and great disposal, not just average ones.

So probably he's a delist as well. But not sure.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by macca23
I should have known that you'd ask the hard question, Stiffy.

I deliberately diddn't mention him because I'm not sure. He's had a good year so far in the SANFL, but my fear is that if we promote him, we'll have yet another Gallagher, Skipworth type on the list.

We need mid-fielders with either real grunt at getting the hard ball or lightning speed and great disposal, not just average ones.

So probably he's a delist as well. But not sure.

I think you need to have some "depth players" and I think Hazell would make a decent depth player that could step up to play if needed. Hell he would be better that Mahoney is for the Power. That bloke is a serious dud.

This "evolution stage" will last for 2-3 years so it will not be an overnight process. We must be prepared to carry a couple of neat footballers that do not excell in any particular area.

Hazell is probably better than 2-4 players on our list.

Just quietly Smart and Torney are having stinkers for South but so is the entire side. Looks like Burns is having a pretty good game in crappy conditions.

 

[spindoctor]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Ah well, now we have player that contracted for another year and is not worth a burnt chip

We could have come up with a very good deal for Perrie but we wanted to keep him. There are many players who are one year wonders and smart clubs realise this and move them on when their value is high. We screwed up now we got to live with it.

We should try Skippy as a crumber in the forward line. He will kick you a couple of goals and we should be happy with that.

But as I said all this will depend on who is the coach next year.

Hindsight is 20/20, Stiffy. At the trade period, there was no way we could have traded Perrie.

Carey had a question-mark hanging over his head, our key-position stocks were also questionable and he had just had a stellar year at CHF.

Circumstances have changed slightly out of his favour, but the decision to keep him was, at the time, the right one.

 

[lozstar]

Originally posted by macca23
Parker - honest but no star

I haven't watched that many SANFL games this year, so I can't say anything on that, but weren't alot of people excited about Parker and dissapointed that he wasn't promoted.
Now you want him gone.. I dont get it.

 

[RaDaR ReiLLy]

Originally posted by lozstar
I haven't watched that many SANFL games this year, so I can't say anything on that, but weren't alot of people excited about Parker and dissapointed that he wasn't promoted.
Now you want him gone.. I dont get it.

I agree Parker probably even shouldve been promoted this year. He's very inventive with the way he goes about playing up back.

And this board turns on players too easily Burton *cough*

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Originally posted by lozstar
I haven't watched that many SANFL games this year, so I can't say anything on that, but weren't alot of people excited about Parker and dissapointed that he wasn't promoted.
Now you want him gone.. I dont get it.

1 stellar season doesn't make a career. Yes his supporters have gone stone cold.
To be fair, he has been played down forwrd more this season, and I don't know how many times he's played as a forwrd.

 

[naughty monkey]

BOCK!
How come no-one's mentioned him yet?

Retirees will be:-
Clarke
Smart
Burns
Stevens
Carey

Delist (don't even bother trying to trade):-
Shirley
Skipworth - neither will ever "make it" at AFL level

Trade/Delist, imo:-
Bock
Rutten

Others just hanging on but will survive, imo:-
Gallagher
Doughty
Mattner
Ladhams

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by naughty monkey
BOCK!
How come no-one's mentioned him yet?

Because he's just starting to find his feet at this level.

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by naughty monkey
BOCK!
How come no-one's mentioned him yet?

Because he's been honest, has kicked some goals when he's been on the ground, is tall and can play forward and back maybe? I know we're absolutely brimming with talls [sic] but I reckon Bock is worth another couple of years at least to see how he develops.

Hell, if Robert Shirley, Hayden Skipworth and James Gallagher have been permitted to hang around West Lakes for this long then Bock more than deserves some time to settle and develop into his AFL skin on recent showings.

Originally posted by naughty monkey
Trade/Delist, imo:-
Bock
Rutten

Others just hanging on but will survive, imo:-
Gallagher
Doughty
Mattner
Ladhams

So you'd get rid of two tall prospects but you'd keep on four proven inconsistent mosquito-fleet crapsters?

 

[naughty monkey]

Originally posted by dyertribe
...
So you'd get rid of two tall prospects but you'd keep on four proven inconsistent mosquito-fleet crapsters?

no, this is what I think the Crows will do.

Most of those I've listed would have already been gone if it was my decision to make.

 

[Crow-mosone]

Originally posted by naughty monkey
no, this is what I think the Crows will do.

Most of those I've listed would have already been gone if it was my decision to make.

replaced by whom and how?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Can't just drop players without a fair idea how your going to replace them, and taking into consideration the make-up of the list ie ratio talls to small/experience to inexperience......
Thing is by the season's end, most of us could pick the delistee's, and be almost 100% accurate - they tend to pick themselves.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Wayne's-World
Can't just drop players without a fair idea how your going to replace them, and taking into consideration the make-up of the list ie ratio talls to small/experience to inexperience......
Thing is by the season's end, most of us could pick the delistee's, and be almost 100% accurate - they tend to pick themselves.

Spot on. Its a fine balancing act. Half the players that people want delisted will be still with the club next year. You can cut as many as you want but replacing them is a big problem.

It takes longer than one season to get rid off a big bunch of players.