Who do we cut first?

[WaynesWorld19]

Especially now where draftees have to be given 2 year contracts (i stand to be corrected ).
Richmond drafted 9 or 10, most of them after pick 50 in a weak draft, and now are committed to the players for 2 years.
Make a mistake and you really pay, because the next year you have another min qty to draft, which means over 2 years you can really stuff your list up.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Wayne's-World
Especially now where draftees have to be given 2 year contracts (i stand to be corrected ).
Richmond drafted 9 or 10, most of them after pick 50 in a weak draft, and now are committed to the players for 2 years.
Make a mistake and you really pay, because the next year you have another min qty to draft, which means over 2 years you can really stuff your list up.

Exactly right. Yes it is a guaranteed 2 year minimum contract. I would still rather have the likes of Gallagher, Doughty and the likes for another year or 2 than draft some duds that will never be good enough to play AFL footy.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Exactly right. Yes it is a guaranteed 2 year minimum contract. I would still rather have the likes of Gallagher, Doughty and the likes for another year or 2 than draft some duds that will never be good enough to play AFL footy.

Gee I would have thought that Gallagher and Doughty have done enough to stay another year.
Can't see them being much more than what they are now, but they're not duds either.
If our drafting strategy is for a couple of midfielders and a KPP, then Shirley and Skippy would be well advised to a little nervous.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Wayne's-World
Gee I would have thought that Gallagher and Doughty have done enough to stay another year.
Can't see them being much more than what they are now, but they're not duds either.
If our drafting strategy is for a couple of midfielders and a KPP, then Shirley and Skippy would be well advised to a little nervous.

So would I. BUt some people already have the knives out

Fact is you need depth players and Doughty and Gallagher are exactly that. They won't be any worse than they are now and they probably never will be better than they are now.

Every list should have that top end where you have youer best 28 - 30 players and then the rest of the spots should be split between "Depth players" and eveloping youngsters. If you have your list arranged in this sort of way then you are one of the best sides in the comp. Obviously you got to have some very good talent in the top end of the list.

 

[spindoctor]

Doughty has been very good, has added a new dimension to his game this year, is young, has exquisite skills, and we think he won't get any better?

Give the guy a break...

 

[Mego Red]

Okay - here's my thoughts.

RETIRE:
Smart, Burns, Carey, M. Stevens. Clarke to stay on the list one more year (he will, given enough of a push).

DELIST:
Shirley, Mattner, Skipworth. That's a couple of our run-with players gone, plus Skippy, who I actually like.

TRADE POSSIBLES:
Perrie - though his value is so low it might be a futile exercise.
Bode - honestly, if the coaching staff can't see his value, other clubs will and we might get decent value.
Goodwin - though we would need to look at the offer closely, as I'm sure we won't get much, considering his age (29 next year).
Burton - We would probably get best value for him, and should consider it.

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by spindoctor
Doughty has been very good, has added a new dimension to his game this year, is young, has exquisite skills, and we think he won't get any better?

Give the guy a break...

You're making him sound like he's Luke Ball.

As for him being young, he's 25 this year (which in AFL terms is hardly a baby) and made his debut in 2000 - is only now just on the verge of his 50th game.

His recent form which has been decent without being great is the least I'd expect from a player in his fifth season and on close to his last chance.

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by Kristof
Bode - honestly, if the coaching staff can't see his value, other clubs will and we might get decent value.

As I said when Bode's value was first discussed a while ago, a third rounder is the best we could hope for - indeed more so now.

AFL recruiting officers are a canny bunch these days - they'd look at Matthew and think 'geez... if he couldn't cut the mustard with both clubs in his home state then how the hell would he go here in Melbourne/Sydney/Brisbane/Perth?'

A twice-recycled player at 25 years of age simply isn't attractive enough to trade your 2nd round pick for.

Originally posted by Kristof
Goodwin - though we would need to look at the offer closely, as I'm sure we won't get much, considering his age (29 next year).

Careful!

*braces for the automated "you can't trade Goody!" responses*

 

[conVINCEd]

I think I can be of assistance dyertribe;

"We can't trade Goody".

For one reason and one reason only - he's in our leadership group. Earlier this year I thought we should trade him, but I've changed my mind. We can't (shouldn't) trade our leaders.

As for Burton, well...

 

[naughty monkey]

Originally posted by Crow-mosone
replaced by whom and how?

done the trades that were available last year, for Doughty at least, and I would have also traded Perrie if a reasonable offer was made.

This year I reckon a few off the Rookie list (up to 3?) will get a chance if their SANFL form remains good. This is the only way I see the Crows replacing more than 5 as I don't see them going much deeper than that in the draft. History says we won't do a lot of trading either.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Like it or not there should be a larger than normal player movement this year, due to a lack of changes last year & larger than normal number of retirements.

Definitely Retiring (pushed or otherwise) - Smart, Burns.
Probably Retiring - Carey, Clarke, M Stevens
Possible Trading/Delisting - Shirley, Skipworth, Mattner, Perrie, Bode, Gallagher, Doughty (obviously not all).

Don't believe we should be trading any of our leadership group or Burton unless we get a really, really good deal for them.

However, much will depend on who the head coach is next year, as that could change things quickly.

 

[Carmelo Anthony]

The crows would never have the guts to do what say Melbourne has done (with woewodin) for example and trading a highly rated under producing player.

There would be a major backlash from members and supporters if the crows ever traded Goodwin, Mcleod, or even maybe Burton.

Weve got to do whats best for the future in the next 2-3 years. Priority picks are very important, even if we have to trade one of these 25-28 yrs old aged players to move up some spots in the draft it will be worth it. If we keep the current nucleas, next year we will just plain suck (If we dont already).

The key is to build a nice spine, and weve seen what priority picks can deliver... think Pavlich, Ko****zke, Riewoldt, Ottens, Polak etc.

It might take 3 years to make a team good enough to be flag material but it will be worth it. We need to clean the house before we are at a stage like Carlton was in 2002 where they depended on old players simply not capable of doing their jobs at a high level anymore.

Ohh yes Id love if the crows could draft a quick rebounding half back flanker with a 2nd or 3rd round pick... like Nathan Brown of the dees or Lonie from the Magpies for example..... we lack pace, energy and excitement so badly.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Carmelo Anthony
The crows would never have the guts to do what say Melbourne has done (with woewodin) for example and trading a highly rated under producing player.

If the Crows treated any of the players (especially higher paid players) the way Melbourne treated Woewodin then the AFC will deserve all the crap that is thrown their way and then some more. If AFC stepped down to that level I would tear up my membership. That would be an absolute disgrace.

Talking a player into taking a mjor pay cut then telling him he is safe and will stay at the club only to turn around and backstab him by trading him away when he is on a family holiday. That is one of the lowest acts ever seen in AFL and if AFC stepped down to that level then they need to be shot and premises burnt down.

 

[Carmelo Anthony]

I used it as an example, I know they treated him harshly.

But my point is the crows would never trade one of their highly rated players unless he wanted to leave. Tony Modra might be the exception here, but I would imagine him and Blight didnt get along and coming off 2 flags in a row their was never going to be a major supporter backlash.