Who should do the trading/drafting??

[CaptainDangerfield]

Do Reidy and Fanta deserve to be allowed to do Adelaides drafting/trading this year?? Considering this draft will be probably be the most critical in the clubs history, can we allow these guys to make a mess of it as they have the last few years.

If you look at our drafting/trading between 2001-2003, only 3 of the 20 players involved ( Hents, Riley and maybe Watts ) look like being a 150+ gamers for the club. That is an unacceptable 15% success rate. By the way,I left out Jericho and Stevens on purpose as I feel they are too hesitant to succeed at AFL level, I hope they prove me wrong.

 

[Mad Dog]

I'm hoping the words Reid, overhaul, new direction, and Fantasia will all be appearing in the same sentence of a media release some time soon

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

I would like Fantasia to have one more crack but be given full responsibilty of it, because I feel he has picked a few gems but not have total control.
He has not had a hell of alot to work with to be honest, he hasnt had too many first rounders. We were unlucky with Angwin and the Carey decision was apparently out of his hands.
Hopefully we will have 2 first round picks this year and I think Fanta can do the job.

 

[baaaallllll]

I guess where do you lay the blame. In other links there is suggestions that Fantasia has been p*ssed off because he has not been listen to. I.e he wanted Cornes at pick 7 but Ayres overruled and went for Angwin.

I had always thought that the recruiting manager did the grunt work and gave his suggestions but the head coach had the final say at the end of the day. So do we blame Fanta and Reidy or Ayres?

I would be interested to find out what the scenario is from others that know what goes on in the recruiting department.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

I would like Fantasia to have one more crack but be given full responsibilty of it, because I feel he has picked a few gems but not have total control.
He has not had a hell of alot to work with to be honest, he hasnt had too many first rounders. We were unlucky with Angwin and the Carey decision was apparently out of his hands.
Hopefully we will have 2 first round picks this year and I think Fanta can do the job.

I don't believe he can use the old "we didn't have enough high priority picks" as a legitimate argument anymore. So who do we blame for the following: Clarke for pick 6, Bode for pick 12, Angwin pick 7 and Carey pick 2. I know Ayres is partly responsible but surely we can't blame just Ayres??? If that was the case, then we need to look at the boards performance as to why they gave the coach so much control. This has probably been done to death on this board but it peeves off that we are in such bad shape. I suppose even more so when you look how good the list is of our cross town rivals.

 

[Jars458]

Clarke for pick 6,

Who should we thank for that you mean?

That was a good deal for us as Clarke has been sensational in an environment where Biglands and Marsh were not up to it.

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

I don't believe he can use the old "we didn't have enough high priority picks" as a legitimate argument anymore. So who do we blame for the following: Clarke for pick 6, Bode for pick 12, Angwin pick 7 and Carey pick 2. I know Ayres is partly responsible but surely we can't blame just Ayres??? If that was the case, then we need to look at the boards performance as to why they gave the coach so much control. This has probably been done to death on this board but it peeves off that we are in such bad shape. I suppose even more so when you look how good the list is of our cross town rivals.

I think you'll find that Fanta did want to go with Angwin, and the kid did have talent but couldnt get his head right.
The bodey decision hasnt turned out the way we liked but I have stated this time and time before I think Bodey has had a raw deal and I think next year under Craig he will show his potential. Its not like Shuan Burgoyne has set the footy world alright just yet so thats no big deal.
As Jars stated Clarke has been very good for us and we would be buggered without him.
Im not defending Fanta but all Im saying is he has not had that many first round picks for whatever reason, that is why we dont have a Riewoldt or Pavlich amongst us yet.
You have to look at other people like Hudson and Johncock who he picked late and have played some good footy.
Someone stated a few weeks ago that anyone can pick a star with a top 5 pick a recruiting manager earns their keep with the late picks and I think Fanta has been pretty solid.

 

[Cove Cobra]

I don't believe he can use the old "we didn't have enough high priority picks" as a legitimate argument anymore. So who do we blame for the following: Clarke for pick 6, Bode for pick 12, Angwin pick 7 and Carey pick 2. I know Ayres is partly responsible but surely we can't blame just Ayres??? If that was the case, then we need to look at the boards performance as to why they gave the coach so much control. This has probably been done to death on this board but it peeves off that we are in such bad shape. I suppose even more so when you look how good the list is of our cross town rivals.

Isn't a year a long time in footy eh? The Board really thought we were close for another Premiership so they recruited Carey.

Now, hindsight IMO is a dirty word. We have paid dearly for that trade but we can re-coup our losses with this year's Draft.

Look forward to the future because that's all we have got. IMO past mistakes JUST MIGHT be rectified through aggressive trading of players and NOT giving away 1st and 2nd round d/p's.

 

[mickyj]

I agree Rainmage i think we should give riedy fanta and craig this draft to start putting things right .
IMO i think ayres is getting off lightly his track record at geelong at recuiting is prob the same as at adelaide , the years of quick fix solutions have long gone this is not north melbourne and the year isnt 1975 or 1976
I think if the club stands firm with tyson going west the rest of the comp might pay us some attention instead of laughing at us at the trade and drafting tables.
But IMO i think to recruit youth isnt enough we need to target the type of players we need to "RENOVATE" this club back in to the 8 and to make coming to AAMI stadium a nightmare .So lets not pick 18 yo cause they are young good players lets get 18 to 23 yo's we can use in the ruck midfield backlines etc and if we need to trade aging midfielders so be it ( i have read the posts about mcleod to port why not if it works). But lets not get aging VICTORIANS lets get croweaters first then look east and west
Thats my 2cents worth
sorry for ranting too much caffine
cheers
mike

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Look forward to the future because that's all we have got. IMO past mistakes JUST MIGHT be rectified through aggressive trading of players and NOT giving away 1st and 2nd round d/p's.

Let's hope so...Fingers crossed.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not preaching doom and gloom as our list/trading/drafting isn't in the Bulldogs class, but it's also definately not in the Port/Brissie class either.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Who should we thank for that you mean?

That was a good deal for us as Clarke has been sensational in an environment where Biglands and Marsh were not up to it.

Mate, you honestly think Clarke for number 6 is a good trade?? He may be in the top 5 as far as tap work goes but he wouldn't be in the top 20 for around the ground play. Sorry mate, an average of one mark a game just doesn't cut it for me.

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

Mate, you honestly think Clarke for number 6 is a good trade?? He may be in the top 5 as far as tap work goes but he wouldn't be in the top 20 for around the ground play. Sorry mate, an average of one mark a game just doesn't cut it for me.

A ruckman's primary role is to get the ball in the hands of his midfielders around him, any marks and goals that he may kick can just be seen as a bonus IMO.
Look at White, he is exciting to watch and takes a great grab but he was found wanting by Clarke.
Imagine what would of happened without Clarke? Im not sure on the exact year we recruited him but we have a definetly got a good few years out of him.
Top quality ruckman are to come by so I think we have done alright considering where we were when we recruited him.

 

[Jars458]

Mate, you honestly think Clarke for number 6 is a good trade?? He may be in the top 5 as far as tap work goes but he wouldn't be in the top 20 for around the ground play. Sorry mate, an average of one mark a game just doesn't cut it for me.

Yes it was a good trade. I think we were in the top two for clearences for about 5 years. He had his limitations but yes a fair deal for pick 6. Without him we would be stuffed.

 

[Mong]

The bodey decision hasnt turned out the way we liked but I have stated this time and time before I think Bodey has had a raw deal and I think next year under Craig he will show his potential. Its not like Shuan Burgoyne has set the footy world alright just yet so thats no big deal.

Forget Burgoyne. We wouldn't have taken him anyway. All the evidence suggests that if we had kept that pick we would have taken Kane Cornes.


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[Blue Red and Gold]

Forget Burgoyne. We wouldn't have taken him anyway. All the evidence suggests that if we had kept that pick we would have taken Kane Cornes.


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We should of taken him before Angwin. Ahh the value of hindsight!

 

[Mong]

Clarke for pick 6 wasn't a good trade in my opinion. Yes, we needed a ruckman but we should have got one cheaper.

And the fact that we STILL haven't found a successor means we will have to overpay for another one when Clarke retires. At least we have Biglands, although amazingly some want him to be traded in favour of having no ruckmen at all. What's Trent Ormond-Allen up to these days?


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[RooDog]

Clarke for pick 6 wasn't a good trade in my opinion. Yes, we needed a ruckman but we should have got one cheaper.

And the fact that we STILL haven't found a successor means we will have to overpay for another one when Clarke retires. At least we have Biglands, although amazingly some want him to be traded in favour of having no ruckmen at all. What's Trent Ormond-Allen up to these days?


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didnt we only give up pick 12 for Clarke?? or am i mistaken?

 

[baaaallllll]

Clarke for pick 6 wasn't a good trade in my opinion. Yes, we needed a ruckman but we should have got one cheaper.

And the fact that we STILL haven't found a successor means we will have to overpay for another one when Clarke retires. At least we have Biglands, although amazingly some want him to be traded in favour of having no ruckmen at all. What's Trent Ormond-Allen up to these days?


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I heard that Trent is playing for SMOSH in the amateurs.... as a ruckman. Who said white men can't jump.

 

[Crow-mosone]

Mate, you honestly think Clarke for number 6 is a good trade?? He may be in the top 5 as far as tap work goes but he wouldn't be in the top 20 for around the ground play. Sorry mate, an average of one mark a game just doesn't cut it for me.

Crap.

we needed a ruckman, he wasn't even 26 when we got him and he's been sensational for us.

do you know Brisbane got with our no.6 pick?????

Damien ****ing Cupido

GREAT TRADE

 

[Crow-mosone]

didnt we only give up pick 12 for Clarke?? or am i mistaken?

no we got pick 12 for Rehn and ontraded it for Bode

 

[Tyson20]

I heard that Trent is playing for SMOSH in the amateurs.... as a ruckman. Who said white men can't jump.

yep Trent is playing in Division 3 Ammos, with SMOSH West Lakes. He won the Medal for the best player in that Division, tied with two other players!

 

[Stiffy_18]

Don't you just love it how people come here and shoot from the hip without having a slightest clue as to what the whole picture is.

Firstly if you bothered to do your reasearch you would have found out that the deal for Clarke was a lot different than some are suggesting. We didn't give pick 6 for Clarke. We gave up pick 6 and pick 20 for Clarke and pick 15. We then traded pick pick to Kangaroos for Scott Welsh. Kangaroos traded that pick to the Cats as part of the Colbert deal and Cats picked David Spriggs with it.

Now that trade looks like a win-win to me

Secondly unless people have some knowledge about how the recruiting depratment work, they have no right to shoot off the hip here. James Fantasia's record as a recruiting manager with the picks that he has had is as good as that of any other. You will find out that the coach ALWAYS has the final say on who he wants especially in the 1st round and sometimes in the second.

If we picked up Kane Cornes (James' choice) instead of Angwin a lot of your wouldn't be bitching about it now.

James Fantasia doesn't have as much input in trading as people think. The bloke that has a lot of say in trading is John Reid and the coach. James is there to give them the measure of what the draft picks are really worth if they are involved in a trade.

So to answer the question I would most defeintly want James Fantasia to do the drafting and I would give him THE FULL control on who we pick. His choice should be taken as a gospel. He is as good a recruiting manager as there is. His record with the pick that he has had is as good as any.

 

[RooDog]

Don't you just love it how people come here and shoot from the hip without having a slightest clue as to what the whole picture is.

Firstly if you bothered to do your reasearch you would have found out that the deal for Clarke was a lot different than some are suggesting. We didn't give pick 6 for Clarke. We gave up pick 6 and pick 20 for Clarke and pick 15. We then traded pick pick to Kangaroos for Scott Welsh. Kangaroos traded that pick to the Cats as part of the Colbert deal and Cats picked David Spriggs with it.

Now that trade looks like a win-win to me

Secondly unless people have some knowledge about how the recruiting depratment work, they have no right to shoot off the hip here. James Fantasia's record as a recruiting manager with the picks that he has had is as good as that of any other. You will find out that the coach ALWAYS has the final say on who he wants especially in the 1st round and sometimes in the second.

If we picked up Kane Cornes (James' choice) instead of Angwin a lot of your wouldn't be bitching about it now.

James Fantasia doesn't have as much input in trading as people think. The bloke that has a lot of say in trading is John Reid and the coach. James is there to give them the measure of what the draft picks are really worth if they are involved in a trade.

So to answer the question I would most defeintly want James Fantasia to do the drafting and I would give him THE FULL control on who we pick. His choice should be taken as a gospel. He is as good a recruiting manager as there is. His record with the pick that he has had is as good as any.

amazing when you know all the cats isnt it Stiffy and you bother doing research!!

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Don't you just love it how people come here and shoot from the hip without having a slightest clue as to what the whole picture is.

Firstly if you bothered to do your reasearch you would have found out that the deal for Clarke was a lot different than some are suggesting. We didn't give pick 6 for Clarke. We gave up pick 6 and pick 20 for Clarke and pick 15. We then traded pick pick to Kangaroos for Scott Welsh. Kangaroos traded that pick to the Cats as part of the Colbert deal and Cats picked David Spriggs with it.

Now that trade looks like a win-win to me

Secondly unless people have some knowledge about how the recruiting depratment work, they have no right to shoot off the hip here. James Fantasia's record as a recruiting manager with the picks that he has had is as good as that of any other. You will find out that the coach ALWAYS has the final say on who he wants especially in the 1st round and sometimes in the second.

If we picked up Kane Cornes (James' choice) instead of Angwin a lot of your wouldn't be bitching about it now.

James Fantasia doesn't have as much input in trading as people think. The bloke that has a lot of say in trading is John Reid and the coach. James is there to give them the measure of what the draft picks are really worth if they are involved in a trade.

So to answer the question I would most defeintly want James Fantasia to do the drafting and I would give him THE FULL control on who we pick. His choice should be taken as a gospel. He is as good a recruiting manager as there is. His record with the pick that he has had is as good as any.

Jeez mate, considering you are such an expert on all things Crows maybe you should apply for one of the assistant coaches jobs.
Nah your right everything is fine and dandy down at Crow land. Our list is one of the strongest in the competition, our recruiting second to none and according to the club, we should be looking at a top 4 position next year.
Mate, I'm not being pessimistic, i'm being a realist and by the way, get over yourself mate.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

amazing when you know all the cats isnt it Stiffy and you bother doing research!!

Life must be tough when you are perfect???