Who to draft?

[Sloth]

We're screaming out for a decent ruckman. How about Patrick Ryder, no 3 in the footydraft.com list? Any opinions on who we should take?

 

[pieman1]

Patrick Ryder is a little short for an AFL ruckman, and I don't think thats a priority for us, we have Fraser, Richards, Cam Cloke and Fanning. It will be midfield with pick 2 and best value at pick 5. There are about 7 or 8 players who will be considered and lets hope Carlton do the right thing and get Murphy into the draft pool. I see the Brians have offered him a FIVE year deal which is almost unheard of for a guy who hasn't played AFL yet. They must be worried about losing him.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

Patrick Ryder is a little short for an AFL ruckman, and I don't think thats a priority for us, we have Fraser, Richards, Cam Cloke and Fanning. It will be midfield with pick 2 and best value at pick 5. There are about 7 or 8 players who will be considered and lets hope Carlton do the right thing and get Murphy into the draft pool. I see the Brians have offered him a FIVE year deal which is almost unheard of for a guy who hasn't played AFL yet. They must be worried about losing him.

We'd be better off looking at either Mitch Clark at #5 (who's 198cm) or someone like Shane Neaves or Robert Warnock at #21.

I do agree though, we should definitely draft a ruckman, and focus on one with a big frame. He doesn't have to be heavy yet, but unlike Stretch and Josh, he's got to have the frame to put on weight.

 

[mojo31]

Patrick Ryder is a little short for an AFL ruckman, and I don't think thats a priority for us, we have Fraser, Richards, Cam Cloke and Fanning. It will be midfield with pick 2 and best value at pick 5. There are about 7 or 8 players who will be considered and lets hope Carlton do the right thing and get Murphy into the draft pool. I see the Brians have offered him a FIVE year deal which is almost unheard of for a guy who hasn't played AFL yet. They must be worried about losing him.

Wasn't Cloke offered a 4 year deal? (Travis).

I would think Ryder would be looked at as future KPP player. He is 194 cms last time he was measured but might be taller now and is bottom aged and likely to get a bit bigger anyway.

I would think both clubs would be happy with Murphy to us and the Pies taking Ellis. After that it is anyones guess. Would like Hurn at 4 though.

 

[pieman1]

We'd be better off looking at either Mitch Clark at #5 (who's 198cm) or someone like Shane Neaves or Robert Warnock at #21.

I do agree though, we should definitely draft a ruckman, and focus on one with a big frame. He doesn't have to be heavy yet, but unlike Stretch and Josh, he's got to have the frame to put on weight.

Well there aren't any big bodied ruckmen in the draft pool. The cupboard is bare with the best prospect being Robert Warnock who is a stick figure and years away from having the body to compete. Keep and eye on Renouf from QLD and Leuenberger from WA for next year though, exiting prospects.

 

[Sloth]

Patrick Ryder is a little short for an AFL ruckman, and I don't think thats a priority for us, we have Fraser, Richards, Cam Cloke and Fanning.

I wish we had the likes of Monky.

 

[Murray]

First we take a quick mid.
Secondly we take a quick mid

Then in the middle of the draft we look around for a quick mid

And if we have any picks left at the end we see if there are any quick mids still available

 

[Tony Francis]

Agree with Murray.

Although I think we will try to pinch a KP backman. Hopefully we rookie list Barling, he looks like he can play.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

First we take a quick mid.
Secondly we take a quick mid

Then in the middle of the draft we look around for a quick mid

And if we have any picks left at the end we see if there are any quick mids still available

Now now, this POV makes it look like you're satisfied with our other mids, our young key defenders and our ruck situation.

IMO:

#2 - Quick midfielder (I have Ellis tentatively pencilled in)

#5 - Versatile tall to develop as a key defender (Josh Kennedy pencilled in)

#21 - Quick midfielder (Nathan Jones/Travis Varcoe/Richard Douglas/Dale Thomas/Beau Muston)

#37 - Ruckman that can actually ruck (Trent West/Angus Graham)

#53 - Best available, but preferably a tall back or inside midfielder.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

Hopefully we rookie list Barling, he looks like he can play.

I like his size, but at AFL level is he any better than Tex Walker or Brent Hall?

 

[Tony Francis]

I guess we won't know until we see him play.

What has impressed me most is that he has a bit of mongrel in him, that part of his game really stands out. Collingwood desperately needs a few hard players (obviously as well as foot pace), which is something Tex, Hall and the majority of others don't offer.

 

[mighty magpie 05]

Now now, this POV makes it look like you're satisfied with our other mids, our young key defenders and our ruck situation.

IMO:

#2 - Quick midfielder (I have Ellis tentatively pencilled in)

#5 - Versatile tall to develop as a key defender (Josh Kennedy pencilled in)

#21 - Quick midfielder (Nathan Jones/Travis Varcoe/Richard Douglas/Dale Thomas/Beau Muston)

#37 - Ruckman that can actually ruck (Trent West/Angus Graham)

#53 - Best available, but preferably a tall back or inside midfielder.

I'd add sam iles in that list of players at 21. no 4 a fact that collingwood recruiters have been down to watch him play 4 clarence and are very interested. wouldnt leave him any latter either, will probably get snapped up b4 our next pick

 

[Murray]

I'd add sam iles in that list of players at 21. no 4 a fact that collingwood recruiters have been down to watch him play 4 clarence and are very interested. wouldnt leave him any latter either, will probably get snapped up b4 our next pick

Keyboard not SMS

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

I'd add sam iles in that list of players at 21. no 4 a fact that collingwood recruiters have been down to watch him play 4 clarence and are very interested. wouldnt leave him any latter either, will probably get snapped up b4 our next pick

I knew there was someone I was forgetting. He would be a good get.

Only thing is his kicking is supposed to be problematic.

If there's a smoky that we like late in the draft that is a quicker midfielder, than I wouldn't mind a look at Sam Lonergan or Matt White at #21. Both are pretty damn good clearance players, so if we wanted to get a young extractor, they would be good to look at.

Lonergan especially. If we were to pick up another first round pick in the 15-18 range, I wouldn't hesitate to use it on Sam Lonergan. I really like his leadership skills and his work in close. He's not quick and he's not skilled, but he's an excellent clearance getter and a good leader. I think he's a lot like Sam Mitchell, and at the moment, we don't really have anyone that will take over from Licuria as the primary ballwinner. Davies and Iacobucci both look like they can play inside a bit, but I'd still like to get another guy who can actually dive into a pack and get the ball.

I hope the recruiters are taking a look at Lonergan while they're down there.

 

[Lonie_from_50]

I personally would love a quick midfielder and a key position backman for our first two picks. Obviously the main areas that need development for the long term success.

 

[jefffff34]

With our last pick we should try to pick up a delisted bargain ala Shane Wakelin 2000 ND or Martin Pike.

 

[magpies42]

stuff this for a joke! we dont need a ruckmen! we have 4 young ruckman that is plenty! two of which will be absolute guns if uninjured (stretch and fraser)! ellis or murphy first pick

2nd pick hurn or kenedy 3rd pick varcoe or jones

 

[mustang]

Is there any chance you guys will pick up hurn with pick 2 as you do need big body players in your midfield and buckley,o'bree arn't getting any younger.

 

[Sloth]

stuff this for a joke! we dont need a ruckmen! we have 4 young ruckman that is plenty! two of which will be absolute guns if uninjured (stretch and fraser)! ellis or murphy first pick

2nd pick hurn or kenedy 3rd pick varcoe or jones

Why are we always getting killed in the Centre?

 

[Murray]

Why are we always getting killed in the Centre?

Because Fraser, Cloke and Richards were all injured, and we only had a basketballer for a first ruck - at a guess.

Why do you think we were?

 

[magpies42]

Why are we always getting killed in the Centre?

because of injuries to our best players and lack fo class at ground level! we may not have teh best tap ruckmen in the buisness but our on ballers are good sharkers! We win plenty of the ball, sometimes inconsistently we need another buckley in there getting the ball out quickly and competantly (ie accurately). our prime focus should be inside mids like murphy and hurn and tehn varcoe or jones. If we pick up any other type of playe rit should a KPP for the back half, perhaps a kenedy! we may have to cough up pick 5 for him tho. it maybe a choice btw him and hurn, and we should take hurn if we can get a quality kpp in the preseason draft like a polak! in the event that we are able to pick up a bartel or salopek in the preseason draft then we shoul dmaybe pick up kenedy instead of hurn

 

[twaters]

Now now, this POV makes it look like you're satisfied with our other mids, our young key defenders and our ruck situation.

IMO:

#2 - Quick midfielder (I have Ellis tentatively pencilled in)

#5 - Versatile tall to develop as a key defender (Josh Kennedy pencilled in)

#21 - Quick midfielder (Nathan Jones/Travis Varcoe/Richard Douglas/Dale Thomas/Beau Muston)

#37 - Ruckman that can actually ruck (Trent West/Angus Graham)

#53 - Best available, but preferably a tall back or inside midfielder.

Not sure Jones or Varcoe will still be there by pick 21, so I'd suggest

2. Ellis
5. Jones/Varcoe/Hurn
21. Douglas (if still there, for pace and endurance) or Spangher (tall CHB with plenty of improvement to come?), or Lonergan (for the gritty in and under work)
37. one of the above if still left or Grae Grant for sheer pace and athleticism from his basketball (Ellis, Varcoe and Grant have all attended the AIS-Academy together and may have some added bond as a mid-team because of that?)

We may get a second rounder from Essendon for some sort of Cole/BShaw combo, which could ease the pressure to get our top mids and still squeeze an attacking CHB into the frame.

 

[MarkT]

stuff this for a joke! we dont need a ruckmen! we have 4 young ruckman that is plenty! two of which will be absolute guns if uninjured (stretch and fraser)! ellis or murphy first pick

2nd pick hurn or kenedy 3rd pick varcoe or jones

We have a ruckman who has NEVER been fit enough for AFL footy, a forward who is tall enough to ruck but has won only a handful of times in a 6 year career, another forward who has the ability to ruck but neither the stamina nor the Achilles, another forward who is too short and has had 2 shoulder recos by 21 and failed basketballer who has been outshone in the ruck by Jason Cloke.

Yep, who needs a ruckman! I like losing premierships and then not addressing the deficiencies that cost us flags. It's the Collingwood way. We have to be true to our traditions.

 

[MarkT]

Because Fraser, Cloke and Richards were all injured, and we only had a basketballer for a first ruck - at a guess.

Why do you think we were?

Because neither has shown the ability to actually win their position in the ruck, all are skinny and can’t compete with naturally stronger opponents, because our midfield as a group is slow, soft and poorly skilled and because our football department can’t judge talent, wont axe duds and refuse to fill obvious list holes yet they take home more money collectively than any other football department.

In other words, because we are an unaccountable joke of a football club right now.

 

[hotpie]

We have a ruckman who has NEVER been fit enough for AFL footy.

He's the solution.