Guys.. really.. we just missed out on top 4 this year.... we had a very bad day at the office against the doggies..Does no-one here think we have 5-10% improvent in our team from this year? IMO if we dont make top 4 this year Malthouse should go...
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Why are our supporters not considering us as a genuine flag hope next year?
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my main gripe is with the boot studder. sack him or i'll rip up my membership.
I'd be pleasantly surprised if we made the finals -- let alone the top four. I think the next couple of years will be pretty tough until we can get a minimum of 40 games into our youngsters.
as u said, people judge on one performance
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No Tarrant
Didak will probably miss half a season, and probably struggle to find his footing again
Brodie holland to miss the first 6 weeks....
for us to be top 4 next year, alot of players have to step up and deliver. Last years performance minus the players we've lost will not do it...
Didak will probably miss half a season, and probably struggle to find his footing again
Brodie holland to miss the first 6 weeks....
for us to be top 4 next year, alot of players have to step up and deliver. Last years performance minus the players we've lost will not do it...
The mainstream of the group are very young and even Buckley ultimately said it. I would be surprised if we made the top 4, but finals should not be forgotten.
The club's perspective may vary from time to time but I believe we are aiming to develop the kids and then on its long-term success... the golden age
The club's perspective may vary from time to time but I believe we are aiming to develop the kids and then on its long-term success... the golden age
We are not good enough in the ruck or the midfield with our best 22 available and it gets worse if we have injuries because we lack depth. We lack depth because we have turned over a lot of players in the last few years so we have a lot of inexperienced unknown quantities. We did that because we had to but it has left us very threadbare. Nothing is impossible in footy but I can’t see us being a real flag contender this year.
5% to 10% improvement would not see us in a grand final. It probably wouldn’t see us in the top. Possibly Sydney aside the teams in the top 4 all have good upside as do a number of teams that finished outside the top 4. 5% to 10% is what we need to tread water given we have some deficiencies that we haven’t rectified and then we will still have to cover Buckley, Burns, Wakelin and Clement in the next few years.
IF we could snag a ruckman in the PSD that really had an impact and IF Thomas, Pendlebury and, say, Stanley had real impact, IF Shaw, Swan and Johnson all had really good seasons, IF Rocca got back to his best, IF Rusling and Cloke kick on and IF we had a really good run with injury then we could very well make a strong bid. All that needs to come on the back of a good start minus Didak and Holland. The chances of everything falling into place are long odds.
5% to 10% improvement would not see us in a grand final. It probably wouldn’t see us in the top. Possibly Sydney aside the teams in the top 4 all have good upside as do a number of teams that finished outside the top 4. 5% to 10% is what we need to tread water given we have some deficiencies that we haven’t rectified and then we will still have to cover Buckley, Burns, Wakelin and Clement in the next few years.
IF we could snag a ruckman in the PSD that really had an impact and IF Thomas, Pendlebury and, say, Stanley had real impact, IF Shaw, Swan and Johnson all had really good seasons, IF Rocca got back to his best, IF Rusling and Cloke kick on and IF we had a really good run with injury then we could very well make a strong bid. All that needs to come on the back of a good start minus Didak and Holland. The chances of everything falling into place are long odds.
That is just nonsense. Apart from the final, we were outclassed by Melbourne, St. Kilda and Freo who are all contenders with upside. We had a good game v Adelaide but they still beat us twice. We beat Sydney who we seem to match up well on and we went 1 and 1 with WCE but when we beat them they were down a ruckman and a top end midfielder.
I am one that throughly believes we can make the top 4 in 2007.Providing we don't get any serious injuries during the season.We have lost tarrant (who really didn't do much this year anyway,no great loss)Didak( will be sorely missed) but we will benefit when he comes back.Hopefully medhurst can help the cuase while didak is out.Brodie hollands toughness will also be missed,but if a few of second tiered players can stand up especially at the start of the season,and we get a ruck option to help Josh ,rejigg those midfield rotations and say a couple of players like anthony,cox,toovey,nichols step up and say ben reid ,Nathan brown,goldsac and Brad dik get a few games.We can still make the top 4 .Our main problem is that we are at rebuilding stage and don't have the depth should a few senior players get injured.Aside from that we should be ok.
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I will be annoyed if we finish bottom 4 next season, we seem to get the timing of finishing on the bottom of the ladder wrong, missed out on the 2001 super draft by 2 seasons and this super draft by one.
I would prefer us to never finish bottom 4, but if it is to happen get the timing a bit better.
I think we will finish between 6-12 on the ladder, people are expecting too much from Thomas & Pendlebury, forgetting the second year blues many young players face.
I would prefer us to never finish bottom 4, but if it is to happen get the timing a bit better.
I think we will finish between 6-12 on the ladder, people are expecting too much from Thomas & Pendlebury, forgetting the second year blues many young players face.
We are a genuine outside chance of winning the flag this year. We finished fifth last year after home and away - on paper that puts us behind four and equal/ahead of the rest. Our massive turnover in our list affects largely the Williamstown team, not the senior 22. So its feasible.
We still carry the same chronic weaknesses that we've always carried. To overcome them we need luck with injury and a rapid progression from our first second and third year players. If we win it will be the biggest turn-up since the Baby Bombers snatched a flag in 1993.
We still carry the same chronic weaknesses that we've always carried. To overcome them we need luck with injury and a rapid progression from our first second and third year players. If we win it will be the biggest turn-up since the Baby Bombers snatched a flag in 1993.
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I have no delusions of granduer - I think we will sneak into the 8 because of our draw, but I highly doubt we will go close to making the Grand Final
Would liked to be proved wrong though
Would liked to be proved wrong though
While Mick Malthouse remains Eddie McGuire's bitch, Collingwood, and it pleases me no end, will fall yet again.
CYA
Far too weak through the guts to be a top4 side and lack the necessary mature talent in various other spots.
Mid-range team at the moment IMO. I genuinely hope they can suprise me , like they did to some extent last year , but I just feel they're not quite there yet. A positive for the future was the culling of plenty of dead-wood off our list this year , replaced with young hopefuls.
Mid-range team at the moment IMO. I genuinely hope they can suprise me , like they did to some extent last year , but I just feel they're not quite there yet. A positive for the future was the culling of plenty of dead-wood off our list this year , replaced with young hopefuls.
well explain that one
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Shut up, Collingwoods current best 22 beat our side by 6 goals last time. Give them some credit.
I don't think CFC is a genuine flag contender because of your forward line. Rocca was patchy this season. T. Cloke still has alot to learn. No Taz and Didak out with a knee injury.
You will still finish top 8 nonetheless.
This thread just goes to show that there are quite a few deluded Collingwood supporters out there.
The optomism is admirable, really it is, however, I fear that next season will only end in heartache for those who actually believe we will challenge for the premiership next year.
But hey, I hope your right and I'm wrong.
The optomism is admirable, really it is, however, I fear that next season will only end in heartache for those who actually believe we will challenge for the premiership next year.
But hey, I hope your right and I'm wrong.
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Only Essendon North and Carlton have absolutely no hope. All other teams have at least an outside chance. Our starting 22 is no worse than last year and our draw is good. And we missed top four by a whisker last year. And our depth is much better, albeit young.
Nothing wrong with optimism. 13 clubs should be optimistic.
Thats the optomistic view. The reality is that also Hawthorn, Geelong, Port Adelaide, Brisbane, Collingwood, and I'd almost say Stkilda and Melbourne also have no hope. After all, we are talking the premiership here.
Our starting 22 next year will be missing Tarrant, Didak and Holland a major portion of the season, and Buckley, Burns, Clement and Presti will all be a year older. We've bought in Medhurst, who you'd have to agree is a bit of an unknown quantity. He could either flop, or be a great signing, more then likely will fall somewhere between. I hardly think he will cover for the losses of Didak and Tarrant. Yes Thomas and Pendlebury will be a year older, but lets not forget they are second year players. Cant expect them to fill the void left from the players I've listed above.
Plus the fact that our foward line is relying on a 30 y.o Rocca, who lets be honest, has only really had 2 good seasons, and seems to go missing just when we need him the most, and two unproven youngsters in Cloke and Rusling, who, even if they have great seasons, being youngsters, they will most likely tire towards the end of the season, as youngsters do. Just in time for finals. Lets be honest, if our foward line performs at its very best it may match its performance last season, however, that is being optomistic in itself.
Meanwhile we will have the same problems as last year in our midfield. Not to mention our rucks, where it appears that Josh will have to do nearly all the ruck work, after Richards has his inevitable injury which keeps him out 'indefinately' after tripping over a blade of grass. Even with Byran, our ruck stocks hardly strikes fear into the opposition now, does it.
So it appears that we have the same deficiency as last season, and our strengths (backline/forward line) have been slightly weakened.
I beg to differ, it appears that our starting 22 is worst then last year.
yes our draw is good, as it was last year, however, it will be at the business end of the year, the finals, if we make them, is where we will be caught wanting.
Agreed, nothing wrong with being optomistic. Thinking we'll make the top 4 is optomistic. AS for winning the premiership, thats just pure fantasy.
But hey, I guess nothings impossible. I could be wrong, and I sincerely hope I am.
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Um, we're not, really. 2009 looks to be the year if all goes well.
I earmarked 2007 at the end of 2005, but not anymore.
I earmarked 2007 at the end of 2005, but not anymore.
Unfortunately Lestat is on the money because our list has been badly mismanaged. This has been coming for some time and we would be FAR better off if we had a poor season and got a very early pick. I hate to say that and I don’t want us to lose games and have a poor season but that is the reality of the AFL system and a list such as ours. Our good draw is actually a curse. We will probably finish mid table and in drafting no man’s land for a couple of years.
We don’t have a good enough ruck or midfield and we don’t have enough mid aged class to win a premiership. That means when out younger players mature we will lack the older experience you need to win a flag. In all likelihood we are 5 years or two slumps off being a realistic flag change and that is with all going well – meaning doing better than 16 opposition clubs. We have mismanaged our shot at it. It is too late now. We have not drafted well enough but that is only part of the problem. We have traded poorly – in and out – and we have been gutless player cullers over the course of the last 3 years. Now I see people praise a deep cull when in reality it came because we were timid or poor judges of talent previously and left with far too many duds.
It appears the club has finally realised this and set about building a list from the ground – instead of talking about it as MM has done over the last few years. Now we have to wiat until Swan and Shaw are mature leaders, Thomas, Pendlebury, Rusling and Cloke are gun 24 year olds and we have brought in a good crop of youngsters to force out the likes of Lonie and co who were in the post 1999 spoon intakes. To break out of that we would need to trade very well and score a Clement and Holland or three.
One thing that could make a difference is the rookie rules. If we have stolen a march on our opposition and the Irish and Sydney rookies are guns we can effectively beat one draft cycle if we also score a few good solid players from the rookie list but we would still have a skinny top aged group.
We don’t have a good enough ruck or midfield and we don’t have enough mid aged class to win a premiership. That means when out younger players mature we will lack the older experience you need to win a flag. In all likelihood we are 5 years or two slumps off being a realistic flag change and that is with all going well – meaning doing better than 16 opposition clubs. We have mismanaged our shot at it. It is too late now. We have not drafted well enough but that is only part of the problem. We have traded poorly – in and out – and we have been gutless player cullers over the course of the last 3 years. Now I see people praise a deep cull when in reality it came because we were timid or poor judges of talent previously and left with far too many duds.
It appears the club has finally realised this and set about building a list from the ground – instead of talking about it as MM has done over the last few years. Now we have to wiat until Swan and Shaw are mature leaders, Thomas, Pendlebury, Rusling and Cloke are gun 24 year olds and we have brought in a good crop of youngsters to force out the likes of Lonie and co who were in the post 1999 spoon intakes. To break out of that we would need to trade very well and score a Clement and Holland or three.
One thing that could make a difference is the rookie rules. If we have stolen a march on our opposition and the Irish and Sydney rookies are guns we can effectively beat one draft cycle if we also score a few good solid players from the rookie list but we would still have a skinny top aged group.
Nothing wrong with that.
My realistic view is that theres no reason why we'll go backwards, as long as Rocca and Fraser hold up. They are the key, without a substantial contribution from them we may struggle. So bottom half of the eight is quite conceivable. Top four from there is not far away, and a possibility if the rapid progression continues for Swan, H Shaw, Maxwell, Thomas, Pendlebury, O'Brien, Egan, T Cloke and Rusling. Their natural improvement, plus the addition of Medhurst, will more than make up for the loss of Tarrant, who frankly has been so disappointing for so long, that team balance may improve without him being the focus.
Holland out for a month or so is no loss and easily covered by R Shaw after a full preseason. Didak should be back by the middle of the year. He's a big loss but hopefully he's back at the business end of the season. It gives Davis, Egan and Medhurst an opportunity.
There's no reason to think that Clement and Presti will be any less effective than last year. Burns and Buckley will remain icing on the cake like they were last year, and do their bit without being major players.
