Why?????????????????

[magpie_militia]

Edit: AFL crowd figures are comparable to socceroos crowd figures. AFL is the highest level of Australian Rules. International Soccer is the highest level of soccer. Both are in direct competition

Bollox. The A-League is Australia's number 1 soccer competition, just as the AFL is Australia's number 1 Australian Rules competition.

Even so, I'd say that Collingwood, Essendon and Carlton all average more people per game than the Socceroos.

 

[magpie_militia]

Considering the game was played during the middle of the week, and tickets were $50 at the cheapest, 20,595 was an excellent crowd. The equivalent AFL game would be Melb Demons vs Dockers at the G in the middle of the week. That fixture attracts 13,000 even on the weekend, even with $20 tickets available.

More excuses and weird comparisons.

Wasn't the Oman game a qualifier for something? Hardly a nothing game if so, and probably why the tickets were $50.

A better comparison would be the Demons and Dockers playing a preliminary final (assuming the Oman game was indeed a qualifier).

 

[Zidane98]

More excuses and weird comparisons.

Wasn't the Oman game a qualifier for something? Hardly a nothing game if so, and probably why the tickets were $50.

A better comparison would be the Demons and Dockers playing a preliminary final (assuming the Oman game was indeed a qualifier).

Yes, the oman game was an Asian cup qualifier. And the reason the tickets were $50 is that the FFA has become greedy - seeing the socceroos as a cash cow. I paid less to see Australia vs Qatar at the dome, and that was a World Cup qualifier. As for the Aus vs Neterhlands game, it was a friendly. Effectively a practice match. A sellout crowd of 40,537 for a practice match is an excellent result. If you have some spare time, could you please quote some AFL practice match attendances?

 

[LoungeLizard]

Considering the game was played during the middle of the week, and tickets were $50 at the cheapest, 20,595 was an excellent crowd. The equivalent AFL game would be Melb Demons vs Dockers at the G in the middle of the week. That fixture attracts 13,000 even on the weekend, even with $20 tickets available.

Show us a link to these prices, I think you are making this up.

 

[magpie_militia]

Yes, the oman game was an Asian cup qualifier. And the reason the tickets were $50 is that the FFA has become greedy - seeing the socceroos as a cash cow. I paid less to see Australia vs Qatar at the dome, and that was a World Cup qualifier. As for the Aus vs Neterhlands game, it was a friendly. Effectively a practice match. A sellout crowd of 40,537 for a practice match is an excellent result. If you have some spare time, could you please quote some AFL practice match attendances?

A friendly against an international top 10 side is hardly a practice game. Especially considering we fielded a strong team, hence taking it seriously.

The only AFL equivalent that I can think of is the NAB pre-season comp. I'd guess that around 40,000 would have attended the Geelong-Collingwood game.

 

[mighty tiges]

Yes, let us not forget the mighty Sydney Swans, what happened to their crowds after 5 years?

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ta-sydney-swans

Oh wait, they dropped in half!!!! Now I know a lot of footy fans, not just me, were appalled at all the handouts and help the Swans got to keep them alive; without the AFL's assistance they would have faded into oblivion. All whilst the Hawks struggled, almost having to merge with the Demons in 1996.

Firstly Sydney is not Brisbane but in any case Sydney had been poorly run off-field (like a number of AFL clubs back then including mine which almost died as well) plus the Swans went through a period where they lost 26 games in a row. I don't care what sport it is, people won't follow a team that is so uncompetitive they can't win a game.

I would also argue the support in Sydney during 87-88 was artifical anyway unlike Brisbane. Trendy support from the theatregoer sect that seems more prevalent in Sydney. More interested in Eddlesten's millions and his then young blonde wife, pink helicopters and champagne, Capper's tight shorts, etc. The privately owned Swans during that time were also kicking 30 goals often on that small ground. Traditional South Melbourne supporters wanted nothing to do with them. It wasn't until the mid 90s that the schism thawed and the Swans became a united membership based club.

The FFA are now finding out the pitfalls of relying on private ownership with that fruitloop who owns Gold Coast United. The AFL has the advantage that it can now fund its own future expansion while the FFA can't.

If you did your research you would have found out that Brisbane Roar this season have been charging $30 plus for general admin tickets - suicide in the Aussie sporting market. I go to Victory games, but I wouldn't pay $30 plus for general admin to go - it is a rip off.

Roar crowds fell by 4k per game last year as well before the price hike. Playing in a 52k capacity stadium isn't too bright financially when you can't even fill a quarter of it. I agree raising the price to compensate was even more stupid.

Crowd numbers are down across the league so you can't blame price hikes in Brisbane for that. Even the Victory sadly is down 4k per game on last year, Central Coast down 3k, Newcastle down 4k. Overall the A-league is down 2.5k per game this season to 9600 (lowest in its 5 year history) and 5k down from 2 years ago. So much for the delusions of Soccer-only nuts who claim Soccer is taking all before them and will eventually swamp AFL .

Like Basketball from its peak in the 90s (remember AFL had to be afraid back then because all the kids were turning to basketball), the novelity of the new national Soccer comp. has worn off. Now that's not a big problem in itself going forward because crowds are probably now at a sustainable level. The Victory for instance is smart moving to a smaller venue that will cut costs. The priviso though is the Soccer officialdom as a whole needs to realise Soccer's limitations which doesn't seem to be the case. If they try to expand without the sustainable financial resources to do so and while ignoring falling crowds and financial problems at existing clubs it'll all turn into a repeat of the NSL fiasco.

On A league being scheduled in summer - it has to compete against Cricket, and in any case summer scheduling has more to do with the A league coinciding with European leagues/transfer markets.

Soccer moved to summer 20 years ago. Nothing to do with European fixtures and the FIFA calendar didn't exist back then. Most of the Socceroos were playing NSL in the late 80s and Soccer Australia gave no support to the few OS based Aussies who in turn told SA to go jump. Just ask Craig Johnston.

Two things you fail to address. A League attendances are by in large quite good, considering the standard of the league.

I said the crowds were decent for the niche sport Soccer is in Australia. Daylight from AFL support though.

When you were a little kid, soccer was a sheilas wogs and ****ters game.

Never heard that once. Well before my time going by Johnny Warren's book. The worst it was called was wogball but sheesh hardcore rugby league fans still call Aussies Rules gayFL. Some soccer people like playing the victim card and believing there's a conspiracy against Soccer.

Now it is the most participated sport in the country.

Well most participated football code. Golf is No.1 in terms of adult participation. Cycling, Swimming, Tennis, Running have higher participation. Cricket on par with Soccer up to 2006.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/3706F24D43FB3930CA2576570015C37F?opendocument

Nobody has ever predicted AFL's demise.

Hello SBS. As I said I was told when I was young Soccer would dominate over Aussie Rules within 30 years. Never happened.

I can see both sports co-existing side by side quite happily in the future.

Agree 100%. I think it does now at least when it comes to the Victory. Fans treating it as now having football for 12 months of the year .

Although the AFL are worried by the lack of youngsters playing the sport now.

Soccer had the highest 5-14 y.o. participation rate 10 years ago also. It hasn't translated into support at the expense of the AFL. In fact b/w 2000 - 2006 (I couldn't find the latest data on the ABS site) boys participation in Aussie Rules was growing (3rd on the list with swimming 2nd). Need to see the post-2006 data to see the effect of the Socceroos success in the last WC has had. Presumably Soccer would have got a boost. Has Aussie Rules increased again also due to Auskick?

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Latestproducts/4B7A0089A8534912CA2576570015C606?opendocument

As far as attendance AFL was No.1 in both sexes. Soccer was even behind Rugby League and Union but ahead of those two in capital cities.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Latestproducts/DD586ED7AF08C537CA2576570015D102?opendocument

 

[Dimenhydrinate]

Big Fat Box of Shit

So sad that your hatred of soccer goes so deep that you can't even be patriotic. Doesn't want the Australian national team to do well, now THAT'S un-Australian!

 

[mighty tiges]

So sad that your hatred of soccer goes so deep that you can't even be patriotic. Doesn't want the Australian national team to do well, now THAT'S un-Australian!

WTF!

Yeah I hate Soccer so much I played it since I was a kid, watch it regularly on tellie (EPL, Champions League, A-league, Bundesliga, Serie-A, World Cups) and go to Victory games .

As for not wanting the Socceroos to do well? - just make things up in your head imbecile

 

[Chuq]

I'm sure that noone on this forum would have a problem if the FFA were actually able to provide their own stadiums for the bid. It then wouldn't be an issue in the first place.

There isn't a single major sport in this country which doesn't share venues with other sports.

Generally, any of the following organisations/leagues:
- Cricket Australia
- AFL
- NRL
- FFA
- ARU

Would make allowances for any of the following major events:
- FIFA World Cup
- Cricket World Cup
- Rugby World Cup
- Olympic Games
- Commonwealth Games

.. and most of the time there is no or little complaint.

Cricket/AFL shifting for the Commonwealth Games, no problem. A-League/NRL shifting for the Rugby World Cup, no problem. AFL shifting for the Cricket World Cup, no problem.

But the AFL shifting for the FIFA World Cup? Oh no, lets all get up in arms about it! It's an attack on the Australian way of life!

 

[mighty tiges]

WC events do not require 12 stadia mighty tiges. They require a list of 12-16 potential stadia. When the actual event is on, only 10 of those stadia will be utilised.

I stand corrected. I was basing the 12 stadia on previous World Cups and this link. Yes South Africa will only have 10.

http://www.espnstar.com/football/ot...l/item185719/FIFA-outline-World-Cup-criteria/

So excluding Etihad then the 10 will have to be:

ANZ, SFS, MCG, Suncorp, Adelaide Oval, Stadium WA will be six of them.

Gold Coast, Townsville, Newcastle, Canberra(?) all 40k the other four?

12 years of population trends from now and post-2022 joint use with NRL clubs and in Canberra's case the Brumbies as well.

But none of that was being said in all of AD's chest beating over the stadium issue.

Etihad wasn't in the FFA's plans until they worked out the cost to upgrade the rectangular stadium was $150m and the stadium would be out of use for 4-5 years. FIFA reps were invited to Etihad to watch the Victory play Gold Coast as part of selling the bid. The AFL has a right to know in writing what is going on after being told by the FFA Etihad wasn't needed. The FFA says one thing then does the opposite.

This can be done without Etihad. The FFA just has to stop playing games by acting dumb and blaming FIFA for lack of info. We'll find out in May when the final bid has to be submitted.


ps. Your Hawkers had 70k+ to a preseason cup GF. The preseason comp. is just glorified practice games.

 

[WA ROO]

There isn't a single major sport in this country which doesn't share venues with other sports.

Generally, any of the following organisations/leagues:
- Cricket Australia
- AFL
- NRL
- FFA
- ARU

Would make allowances for any of the following major events:
- FIFA World Cup
- Cricket World Cup
- Rugby World Cup
- Olympic Games
- Commonwealth Games

.. and most of the time there is no or little complaint.

Cricket/AFL shifting for the Commonwealth Games, no problem. A-League/NRL shifting for the Rugby World Cup, no problem. AFL shifting for the Cricket World Cup, no problem.

But the AFL shifting for the FIFA World Cup? Oh no, lets all get up in arms about it! It's an attack on the Australian way of life!

Not a case of shifting,more a case of two major stadiums taken over for an extended period of time and almost every other stadium used by the AFL and NRL being off limits for a minimum of 6 weeks.If these time peroids are wrong,which noone seems to know as FFA has not clarified for how long these stadiums will be as some posters on here believe forcibly handed over to the FFA for nix.

The FFA want the WC,work with the local comps not arrogantly assume that the govt will just give them whatever they demand

 

[Giants FC]

Cricket/AFL shifting for the Commonwealth Games, no problem.

Only one ground was affected for the first 3 weeks of the season. Entirely different to taking the grounds where a majority of games would otherwise be played for 2+ months mid-season.

A-League/NRL shifting for the Rugby World Cup, no problem.

The rugby World Cup was in 2003, before the A-League started. It was played in October-November, the NRL season was over before the rugby World Cup started.
The rugby World Cup shared venues with the old NSL, no issues there. The rugby World Cup didn't lock other sports out.

AFL shifting for the Cricket World Cup, no problem.

The Cricket World Cup in 2015 will be played in October, the AFL will be all over by then. Not an issue.

 

[cos789]

Considering that:

• We haven't even won the bid yet, and
• If we do win the bid, there's 8-12 years from now until the actual event where some sort of arrangement can be brokered re: the stadia.

I've never understood what all the fuss to be honest.

Beause we the taxpayers have to pay for it .
.

 

[bzparkes]

So sad that your hatred of soccer goes so deep that you can't even be patriotic. Doesn't want the Australian national team to do well, now THAT'S un-Australian!

You're a ****ing idiot, did you even read what he wrote?

 

[Damon_3388]

Beause we the taxpayers have to pay for it .
.

If they're using existing stadia for the event (and I'm sure in the space of 8-12 years both the AFL, FFA and FIFA can broker a deal that works fairly for all parties), and not having to build additional new stadia, what additional costs are there to the taxpayer?

 

[Barkly St End]

If they're using existing stadia for the event (and I'm sure in the space of 8-12 years both the AFL, FFA and FIFA can broker a deal that works fairly for all parties), and not having to build additional new stadia, what additional costs are there to the taxpayer?

What existing stadia?

 

[Zidane98]

What existing stadia?

MCG/SFS/ANZ/Suncorp/Etihad all currently FIFA compliant, without any modification or change. MCG and ANZ are both suitable for a WC final; FIFA require a minimum of 70,000 spectators.

 

[cmedina1983]

it's got nothing to do with whether the appropriate stadia exist: they are there and they do. it's about whether fifa have the right to demand exclusivity etc. i say they don't have that right, and if they try to assert it then they should be told to take their fabulous event elsewhere (or PAY UP)

You're not really understanding this, are you? Let me try and simplify it for you:

The list of stadiums we're handing over to FIFA this coming February don't necessarily have to be the stadiums that we will choose to use if we get the World Cup.

Understand?

Show us a link to these prices, I think you are making this up.

It's common knowledge to any sports fan with anything above a single digit IQ.

A friendly against an international top 10 side is hardly a practice game. Especially considering we fielded a strong team, hence taking it seriously.

I understand with the AFL's lack of overseas competitors that you might not realise what a "friendly" is, or what they are used for but in Football a friendly match is literally that - friendly. It has no meaning. It does not matter if you win, lose or draw. It is merely an opportunity for two teams to experiment.

Obviously you'd like to have your First XI out on the pitch to get some game time together, considering those players don't play with each other every week (because Football is literally played in more than one country, ergo more than one league).

 

[LoungeLizard]

It's common knowledge to any sports fan with anything above a single digit IQ.

Then I,d like to know what your IQ is, because if you care to take a look, the ticket prices for that game are still on the web.

 

[Zidane98]

It's common knowledge to any sports fan with anything above a single digit IQ.

Then I,d like to know what your IQ is, because if you care to take a look, the ticket prices for that game are still on the web.

Hence why it is common knowledge for anybody with IQ above single digits. That category doesn't seem to include yourself.

 

[LoungeLizard]

Hence why it is common knowledge for anybody with IQ above single digits. That category doesn't seem to include yourself.

Have a look for yourself.

http://my247.com.au/melbourne/Etiha...on/Australia-V-Oman-Australia-Home-End.169203

 

[Zidane98]

Have a look for yourself.

http://my247.com.au/melbourne/Etiha...on/Australia-V-Oman-Australia-Home-End.169203

Hmmmm,

http://www.myfootball.com.au/tickets.htm

$30 is for a concession ticket. You didn't look to hard, did you?

 

[LoungeLizard]

Hmmmm,

http://www.myfootball.com.au/tickets.htm

$30 is for a concession ticket. You didn't look to hard, did you?

And Australia vs Oman - cheapest tickets available were $50.
This is a copy and paste of what you said.

 

[Zidane98]

And Australia vs Oman - cheapest tickets available were $50.
This is a copy and paste of what you said.

No shit sherlock. Don't know about you, but I can't buy a concession ticket. Your posts just get better and better.

 

[LoungeLizard]

No shit sherlock. Don't know about you, but I can't buy a concession ticket. Your posts just get better and better.

I'm just pointing people to the fact that your information is not to be trusted.
You LIE.
Nearly everything you post on here is either, twisted truth or lies.