Will the proposed rule changes affect our list and recruiting?

[footyfan1978]

Ultimately I feel zones and set positions just limit the tools a team has to create new styles of football.

Agreed. Zones would be a bullshit idea. Would be as bad as rotations.
Thankfully that is not on the agenda. Just starting positions and then players free to roam wherever they like when ball in air just like we do already at centre bounces.

Change is inevitable.

Indeed.
So get ready for rotations to be slowly removed from our great game and 36 players up one end of ground for big chunks of play to be gone.

 

[Masqualero]

Agreed. Zones would be a bullshit idea. Would be as bad as rotations.
Thankfully that is not on the agenda. Just starting positions and then players free to roam wherever they like when ball in air just like we do already at centre bounces.

Indeed.

So get ready for rotations to be slowly removed from our great game and 36 players up one end of ground for big chunks of play to be gone.

These changes are being brought in to revert the game, I compare it to book burning.

 

[footyfan1978]

These changes are being brought in to revert the game, I compare it to book burning.

Book burning. The great library of Alexandra...lol
You should write drama shows for tv.

 

[Masqualero]

Book burning. The great library of Alexandra...lol
You should write drama shows for tv.

Yeah book burning only happened once IIRC

What is it about the game that needs to be changed exactly?

This is the only sport where the top league has such a stranglehold on rules and such.

If you watch the EPL or NBA you can see changes to playstyle between eras.

Constant reactionary rule changing will never acheive what is intended which is get scoring in line with VFL era.

Things like 3rd man up did not need to be scrapped, it has helped make it harder to win a clearence and slowed the game in response to the "eventual downfall of the ruck position" and IMO the ruck position was not in danger of becoming extinct.

 

[footyfan1978]

What is it about the game that needs to be changed exactly?

If you watch the EPL or NBA you can see changes to play style between eras.

Do not watch those. Have no interest.

Love our sport but it has mutated closer to rugby and soccer type games about keeping hold of ball and territory invasion. We need to get rid of this mess as our game can look a whole lot better when players are spread out more across the 180 metres of ground rather than 36 congested into 60 metres down one end for lengthy patches of matches. Rotations been the biggest blight on game. They made a horrible mistake going from 2 on bench to 4. It has been exploited in a way it was never intended. It has caused the game to be way less than it can be. Thankfully after a decade of doing nothing about it, they finally realise change is needed.

 

[Masqualero]

Do not watch those. Have no interest.

Love our sport but it has mutated closer to rugby and soccer type games about keeping hold of ball and territory invasion. We need to get rid of this mess as our game can look a whole lot better when players are spread out more across the 180 metres of ground rather than 36 congested into 60 metres down one end for lengthy patches of matches. Rotations been the biggest blight on game. They made a horrible mistake going from 2 on bench to 4. It has been exploited in a way it was never intended. It has caused the game to be way less than it can be. Thankfully after a decade of doing nothing about it, they finally realise change is needed.

Disagree, set positions or starting positions won't help anything.
It just makes the game more confusing.
I like the manic pressure of the game at the moment just like I liked seeing Geelongs handball game as well as Collingwoods press and the Hawks were amazing to watch.
Don't mind Richmonds style at the moment either tbh.
They are all so different to watch, why limit them because you want the game to look like what it used when there are a lot of people who like where the game is at now.
What if we are getting smashed in the middle and couldn't have Doc start loose in def and had him sprint into D50 from wing position every ball up because of some silly starting position rule?
That would look horrible and make it harder to understand what is going on.
Whats wrong with the zone defence?
It adds a different dimension to the game, it can be interesting seeing how teams set up around stoppages and kick ins, Doc might not be AA if he played on a man all year who knows?

 

[passmark]

Disagree, set positions or starting positions won't help anything.
It just makes the game more confusing.
I like the manic pressure of the game at the moment just like I liked seeing Geelongs handball game as well as Collingwoods press and the Hawks were amazing to watch.
Don't mind Richmonds style at the moment either tbh.
They are all so different to watch, why limit them because you want the game to look like what it used when there are a lot of people who like where the game is at now.
What if we are getting smashed in the middle and couldn't have Doc start loose in def and had him sprint into D50 from wing position every ball up because of some silly starting position rule?
That would look horrible and make it harder to understand what is going on.
Whats wrong with the zone defence?
It adds a different dimension to the game, it can be interesting seeing how teams set up around stoppages and kick ins, Doc might not be AA if he played on a man all year who knows?

Unfortunately there's a mood for change driven in large part by people who can't really define what is wrong with it. They just know it was better in the90's, 80's, 70's whatever.

Well, go back and watch games from the 70's and a lot of games in the 80's , on the whole the skills are shit. If you put that stuff on display now you wouldn't watch it if it was in your back yard.

One of the biggest cheerleaders is Whateley. But I have to ask, why would we take any notice of Gerard Whateley? TBH i don't think his thoughts on the game should carry anymore weight than the man in the street. People with decades of experience and expertise are divided on the issue.

And beware Hocking. In any other field of endeavour he'd be a mediocre exec and professional lanyard wearer. Here he's been given the keys the the game and he's desperate to make changes to validate his position.

Let's look at his one big decision so far, the MRO. What an abysmal failure, by any standard. Worse than what it replaced and (although he kept it quiet) the outcomes can be decided by the guy who implemented the new body, Hocking himself!!

Do we really want these changes put in place when they haven't exhausted the many ways of freeing up the game via simple interpretation of rules?

+100 points a piece a game isn't a cure all but some of the proposed changes could further injure the sport.

 

[Masqualero]

Unfortunately there's a mood for change driven in large part by people who can't really define what is wrong with it. They just know it was better in the90's, 80's, 70's whatever.

Well, go back and watch games from the 70's and a lot of games in the 80's , on the whole the skills are shit. If you put that stuff on display now you wouldn't watch it if it was in your back yard.

One of the biggest cheerleaders is Whateley. But I have to ask, why would we take any notice of Gerard Whateley? TBH i don't think his thoughts on the game should carry anymore weight than the man in the street. People with decades of experience and expertise are divided on the issue.

And beware Hocking. In any other field of endeavour he'd be a mediocre exec and professional lanyard wearer. Here he's been given the keys the the game and he's desperate to make changes to validate his position.

Let's look at his one big decision so far, the MRO. What an abysmal failure, by any standard. Worse than what it replaced and (although he kept it quiet) the outcomes can be decided by the guy who implemented the new body, Hocking himself!!

Do we really want these changes put in place when they haven't exhausted the many ways of freeing up the game via simple interpretation of rules?

+100 points a piece a game isn't a cure all but some of the proposed changes could further injure the sport.

Gee I'd be careful with how I word some of that haha
To be fair IMO the older matches are good to watch, I am assuming partly because they would only replay the better ones, but you can tell the sport was not in a pro era and thats fine, doesn't detract from it at all it is just more similar to local footy.

 

[footyfan1978]

zone defence

Disagree, zone defences just makes the game another rugby style territory game.

36 players in one part of ground is dull as all ****

Endless rotations to maintain zones sucks big time.

I could not give a shit about loose man in defence.

Far more excited to see contests of skill v skill of players win the ball in the area and not boring keepings off kicking ball sideways and backwards to get around congested zones and find that "loose man" to avoid a contest. It is a mutation of the game. I know some like it, as some like rugby but go watch rugby if you like more of that type of stuff.

If you a tv viewer you miss how horrible it looks at the ground and win ball with no one forward.
Z Z z z

Cannot wait to see a backline work to beat a gun like Curnow without a loose man down there to try to make it two on one as much as possible.

 

[HarryFlashman]

IMO i think the way the game is currently being umpired is a severe disadvantage to us & it could get worse.
Personally i'd like to see more "scragging", incorrect disposal & holding the ball paid. Our kids stick a good tackle, the whistle never blows and as they dont have the power to hold on & nothing is paid.
Ping the players quicker (no more 360 then a toe on it) call for a bounce quicker-then throw it up straight away. Stop the seagulls fighting over a chip, if a bloke really drags it under then ping him, but reward the person at the coal face trying to get it & get it out.
Way to much time is given atm & i think that hurts us.

 

[Masqualero]

I could not give a shit about loose man in defence.

Cannot wait to see a backline work to beat a gun like Curnow without a loose man down there to try to make it two on one as much as possible.

Can you clarify your feelings on loose defenders?

 

[footyfan1978]

Can you clarify your feelings on loose defenders?

Yes.

Boring!!!!

Z z z z z z z z

I come to watch a contest.

Far more excited in a genuine contest.

 

[Masqualero]

Yes.

Boring!!!!

Z z z z z z z z

I come to watch a contest.

Far more excited in a genuine contest.

You know you can always go watch your local side if that is what you want to see

 

[footyfan1978]

You know you can always go watch your local side if that is what you want to see

Local sides try to play loose man too....lol

Saw it on train on way to G on weekend as train goes by games at St.Kevin's.

Do not be scared of a contest. Your fear of change is drama queen panic.

It is a great spectacle and we will see more and more of it in 2019 which will be great for our list too.

 

[footyfan1978]

Kerr as one example of many, will love leading into more space up forward and not needing to run up other end of ground to maintain 18 man team zone defence. Instead of many players kicking a goal and going to the bench we will see most stay on the ground and ready to go again straight again. Can see SPS game going to another level too, where his weapons can be put to more attacking use. Skillful players going to shine out even more and our recruiting in a great spot to benefit asap. Curnow going to be super scary for opposing sides. Will be harder to double team as often as possible. One out he going to kill key defenders that cannot keep up his running and leaps to mark the ball.

 

[Masqualero]

Local sides try to play loose man too....lol

Saw it on train on way to G on weekend as train goes by games at St.Kevin's.

Do not be scared of a contest. Your fear of change is drama queen panic.

It is a great spectacle and we will see more and more of it in 2019 which will be great for our list too.

Plenty of local sides play the traditional set up, you are digging yourself into a hole here, I know because I played recently and I watch my mates play a fair bit.

Tell me not to be "scared of the contest" yet you attack me and not my argument?

I fear change because I want the game to continue evolving and not bring in rule changes that devolve the game and inhibit tactical options with the intention of making it revert back to how it used to be?

 

[footyfan1978]

I fear change because I want the game to continue evolving

This is where your fear is misplaced. It has mutated. It has been not allowed to evolve because of rotations and zones. Rule changes to bench from 2 to 4 is where the original mutation started. When it is allowed to evolve again with players able to show their full kit of skills, you will laugh back at your fear you have now in a few more years when you love what you will see.

 

[Masqualero]

This is where your fear is misplaced. It has mutated. It has been not allowed to evolve because of rotations and zones. Rule changes to bench from 2 to 4 is where the original mutation started. When it is allowed to evolve again with players able to show their full kit of skills, you will laugh back at your fear you have now in a few more years when you love what you will see.

Im fine watching modern footy while you scream kick it forward, anyway agree to disagree.

 

[Beer n Skittles]

Loose defenders still existed back in the 'good old days'. Round 17 1999 is considered one of the best H&A games of all time and a shining light for backinmydayists. Essendon played two extra defenders, one in front of Carey and one behind.

 

[bmaurizio]

Agreed. Zones would be a bullshit idea. Would be as bad as rotations.
Thankfully that is not on the agenda. Just starting positions and then players free to roam wherever they like when ball in air just like we do already at centre bounces.


Indeed.
So get ready for rotations to be slowly removed from our great game and 36 players up one end of ground for big chunks of play to be gone.

About time rotations are reduced, having players and runners continually on and off the ground interlacled with umpires at times is strange and annoying. Can't tell them apart.
Zones will be introduced eventually the AFL will prepare ferals initially.
As for zones they'll allow skillful players to display skill and ability more. I don't mind that but gradual implementation.

 

[RudyBlue]

As for zones they'll allow skillful players to display skill and ability more. I don't mind that but gradual implementation.

Any changes need to have a significant trial period.

 

[footyfan1978]

Im fine watching modern footy while you scream kick it forward, anyway agree to disagree.

ha ha. Last thing I am doing is screaming to kick it forward when we got no one in forward line because everyone is down back.
That is all in your imagination.
Amazing what you imagine in your fear of change. You will have to see it when it comes to really get how the game will improve so much more with players spread further across the ground to have someone to kick to. Very simple to get when see what will happen.

 

[footyfan1978]

Zones will be introduced eventually the AFL will prepare ferals initially.

Zones will go to a large extent. Will be great to see but teams can still try team defence zones but with fast movement of ball will break down so quickly coaches will be forced to get more pro-active in a positive way.

 

[footyfan1978]

Any changes need to have a significant trial period.

I agree. Let's trial it when we play Saints or even Lions this weekend.

 

[Masqualero]

Loose defenders still existed back in the 'good old days'. Round 17 1999 is considered one of the best H&A games of all time and a shining light for backinmydayists. Essendon played two extra defenders, one in front of Carey and one behind.

Did Ess end up winning?