Wins v top 8 teams...

[Roachy8]

Just playing around today and found this data interesting and also further evidence that with the inequity of the draw, especially earlier on in the season, the ladder positions and performances YTD of all teams can be missleading.

So here is the current ladder with the number of wins that each team has posted against current top 8 placed sides adjacent: (Carlton included as they are 9th, so close)

West Coast - 2 (+ Carlton)
Adelaide - 3 (+ Carlton)
Collingwood - 3
Sydney - 2
Hawthorn - 3
Essendon - 1 (+ Carlton)
Geelong - 1 (+ Carlton)
St Kilda - 1 (+ Carlton)
Carlton - 1
Richmond - 3
Fremantle - 2
Nth Melbourne - 1
West Bulldogs - 0
Port Adelaide - 1 (+ Carlton)
Brisbane - 1
Melbourne - 1
GWS - 0
Gold Coast - 0

So what does all this mean? Not a hell of a lot perhaps but it does perhaps validate our position as one of the better performing teams this year so far against quality oposition.

Anyway... play on...

 

[Bazzar]

Technically two as the Saints were 9th when we beat them. But a great effort.

 

[Roachy8]

OK... just realised of course that this will change a bit after the split round and byes are completed.
So Collingwood could move to 4 or West Coast to3, Sydney could move to 3 or Geelong to 2, Essendon could go to 2 or Freo could join us on 3 & Adelaide will win so will go to 4)

Any of these outcomes still leave us well positioned though...

Dunno why I bothered really!!!!!!

 

[Bazzar]

OK... just realised of course that this will change a bit after the split round and byes are completed.
So Collingwood could move to 4 or West Coast to3, Sydney could move to 3 or Geelong to 2, Essendon could go to 2 or Freo could join us on 3 & Adelaide will win so will go to 4)

Any of these outcomes still leave us well positioned though...

Dunno why I bothered really!!!!!!

Why, its a good post and worthy if discussion.

 

[El Tigre]

Interesting. But we lost to freo, and gws gave us a scare. Sometimes its the games we are expected to win that we struggle with.

 

[tunksy]

Interesting. But we lost to freo, and gws gave us a scare. Sometimes its the games we are expected to win that we struggle with.

they only gave us a scare cos we couldnt convert. lets play them dry and we'll win by 70 odd points...

 

[nbourke]

OK... just realised of course that this will change a bit after the split round and byes are completed.
So Collingwood could move to 4 or West Coast to3, Sydney could move to 3 or Geelong to 2, Essendon could go to 2 or Freo could join us on 3 & Adelaide will win so will go to 4)

Any of these outcomes still leave us well positioned though...

Dunno why I bothered really!!!!!!

Adelaide will remain on 3, wont they?

This is quite interesting. Somebody should do one where they give a team +1 for a win against a top 9 side and -1 for a loss against a top 9 side. See how it fairs. I dont have the energy for it. haha

they only gave us a scare cos we couldnt convert. lets play them dry and we'll win by 70 odd points...

Lets play them in the wet again and we will win by 70 odd points. They were fantastic at converting in front of goal. I bet they cant do it again!

 

[carn tigez]

Interesting. But we lost to freo, and gws gave us a scare. Sometimes its the games we are expected to win that we struggle with.

Essendon lost to Melbourne, and Gold Coast gave them a scare. St.Kilda lost to Port, Carlton lost to Port, Geelong lost to North, Hawthorn lost to Richmond, Sydney lost to Richmond.

Losing to average or below teams is a by-product of being good....kinda. It's the overall record that counts.

 

[tugga]

After this round, Essendon will have played just three sides in the eight. Inequality is well and truly fostered in the AFL, not just tolerated.

 

[Filthy Sanchez]

Richmond - 3Fremantle - 2
Nth Melbourne - 1
West Bulldogs - 0
Port Adelaide - 1 (+ Carlton)
Brisbane - 1
Melbourne - 1
GWS - 0
Gold Coast - 0

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aside from GWS who we just played don't we play all these teams after this bye? All the list tells you really is how many good teams they've currently played against. It would've been more accurate if instead you put how many of the top 9 every team has lossed to. That way you'd see whose vulnarable to quality opposition. For example Richmond would be 5 and Hawthorn would be 2. It's all about how you tweak the stats.

Interesting list though.

 

[Spluff]

Obviously it's a biased list because each club has a varied sample size. We've played more top 8 teams than most clubs, and thus have had more chance to get more wins. A better way to tell would be the percentage of top 8 games that resulted in a win, as this is independant of sample size.

 

[DrMike]

Obviously it's a biased list because each club has a varied sample size. We've played more top 8 teams than most clubs, and thus have had more chance to get more wins. A better way to tell would be the percentage of top 8 games that resulted in a win, as this is independant of sample size.

You can get stats to do anything, even if they're not true. I didn't see the point in what the OP was trying to say but to limit someone of what you're trying to say you could get the % of wins against top 9 by getting wins / games, will give you a bit more accurate figure.

 

[Frank Grimes]

they only gave us a scare cos we couldnt convert. lets play them dry and we'll win by 70 odd points...

True. If we converted about 40% of our behinds and they missed 40% of their goals we would have won by 10+ goals. They were freakishly accurate and we couldn't hit the side of a barn in front of goal.

 

[Neen]

Inequality is well and truly fostered in the AFL, not just tolerated.

Absolutely. When was the last time Collingwood, Carlton or Essendon played at Skilled Stadium ? We play there almost every year.