wirra

[cartman]

from the early talk wirra is like danny a dead man walking, woosha thinks he's tradable looks like going to the pies ,dont know who for

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Got any Worsfold quotes that support what you just wrote?

Whats your source on Wirra likely going to Pies?

What will Collingwood offer us? Rhyce Shaw and a 3rd rd pick if we're lucky?

 

[Mr Q]

Originally posted by daddy_4_eyes
What will Collingwood offer us? Rhyce Shaw and a 3rd rd pick if we're lucky?

That would be over-generous from Collingwood. More like Rhys Shaw, Ben Kinnear, Joffa and we have to pay 50% of Wirra's salary...

 

[Streaker]

Woewodin, too expensive. Tarkyn Lockyer would be nice. Probably be offered Neon Leon.

I seriously can't see us giving up Wirrpunda.

 

[bunsen burner]

I can definitely see us trading Wirra. Collingwood have no one who we want - except their first pick or second pick.

 

[jod23]

Collingwood have absolutely nobody that I can see us being interested in.

 

[Mark Viduka]

Wirra is gone. He is 24... so to the clubs in Melbourne he looks attractive because of his age... but he has been playing for 8 years now.... Wirra himself said he feels like he has the body of a 30 year old because of all the injuries he has had.

Given that some Eagles players retire by the age of 27-28.... Wirra may struggle to get himself up for another 2 or 3 years. We should do what the Kangaroos did with Carey.... get rid of him now while he is worth something... we'll get a top 10 pick... and in 2 or so years Wirra's body will have given up and everyone will say what a great trade it was.

 

[Thrawn666]

Good to see Wirra is a dead cert to be traded for the 7th consecutive year

 

[Mark Viduka]

Originally posted by Thrawn666
Good to see Wirra is a dead cert to be traded for the 7th consecutive year

Difference is every other year he has been playing well and its been the Victorian media/supporters saying Wirrapunda is being traded.

This year its Eagles supporters because he is not playing well at all.

 

[bunsen burner]

I don't want him traded because his lack of form this year - that would be fickle. I want him traded because he is surplus to our needs. I really rate him as a player but would like us to trade for a KPP or early draft pick depending on who is available in the draft (ie our first pick and Wirra for pick #2 or #3).

 

[Mark Viduka]

Originally posted by bunsen burner
I don't want him traded because his lack of form this year - that would be fickle. I want him traded because he is surplus to our needs. I really rate him as a player but would like us to trade for a KPP or early draft pick depending on who is available in the draft (ie our first pick and Wirra for pick #2 or #3).

We have to do whats best for our team. Wirra's best days are behind him. He is not going to improve and he is still worth a lot on the trade table. In 12 months he won't be worth anywhere near as much. We have to get rid of him now while we can still get something for him.

 

[Clayton]

Wirra has as much raw talent as anyone who has played for the Eagles, I know it's a big Call.

But injuries have really cut him down & I agree with Robbie Walls that he has probably coasted for much of his career. We have only really seen glimpses of his best.

Having said that he's one of my fav players & I'd like him to be retained because of what he can add to our defense.
If push came to shove & we did trade him i think we'd get some quality for him like a first rounder.

 

[Streaker]

Talk about devaluing and underrating players. Wirra and our first pick (around 6 to 12) for Pick 2 or 3. You have got to be kidding.

Kasey Green and our first pick for pick 2 or 3 I could understand. Even Wirrpunda and our second pick for pick 2 or 3 would be closer.

 

[bunsen burner]

Originally posted by West Coast Stre
Talk about devaluing and underrating players. Wirra and our first pick (around 6 to 12) for Pick 2 or 3. You have got to be kidding.

Kasey Green and our first pick for pick 2 or 3 I could understand. Even Wirrpunda and our second pick for pick 2 or 3 would be closer.

I estimate Wirra on his own would be worth about pick 10-12. If we have pick 8, we'd have to give up that pick and close to Wirra to get the top tradeable pick (that's if my assumption that you can't trade priority picks is correct). You also have to take into account that if the pick we are trading for is the one that can secure Polak, we'll have to pay more than market value.

If it came down to it, our first pick and Wirra as a direct swap for Polak would be a good deal. Polak may not be valued at that much, but considering we really need a player like Polak it is more than worth it. Wirra is replaceable a draft pick most likely won't mature quick enough for what the Eagles need.

nb: Kasey Green is worth almost nothing.

 

[jod23]

I think we should all line up and kick Wirra out the door when he is leaving. Perhaps we could throw rocks at him aswell.

You lot are unbelieveably loyal

 

[Mark Viduka]

Originally posted by jod23
I think we should all line up and kick Wirra out the door when he is leaving. Perhaps we could throw rocks at him aswell.

You lot are unbelieveably loyal

ok here is a question for you..... do you think Jakovich should have kept playing for the remainder of this year and next... stopping someone like Hansen making his debut?

Do youw ant us to have a team full of cripples just because of your "loyalty". Perhaps we can get Peter Sumich to pull on the boots again just out of loyalty.

Honestly... its people like you that are the reason Carlton and Adelaide are at the bottom of the ladder. Short sightedness.

 

[Streaker]

So now Wirrpunda is a cripple! Jakovich should have retired last year but Wirrpunda is no cripple.

When it comes to trading we have quite a few options and Yes Wirrpunda is one of them, but I wouldn't consider trading him just for the sake of trading him. Trading him now "while we can get something for him" makes him sound as if he is on his last legs.

It's all well and good saying that he isn't as good as he used to be but consider just what it is he does for the team and how valuable that is.

Given that some Eagles players retire by the age of 27-28.... Wirra may struggle to get himself up for another 2 or 3 years.
And then again he might play another 7 years.

Name 5 players who do a better job than him in the position he plays?

 

[mick ryan]

Originally posted by jod23
Collingwood have absolutely nobody that I can see us being interested in.

Even if they did Malthouse wouldn't offer anything worthwhile, he hasn't got a clue about the worth of players when it comes to trading just look at the farcical situation re Nick Stevens.

 

[Mark Viduka]

Originally posted by West Coast Stre
So now Wirrpunda is a cripple! Jakovich should have retired last year but Wirrpunda is no cripple.

You should get a bit closer to the club then. Wirrpunda is a cripple. He struggles to get his body right for most games.

Originally posted by West Coast Stre
When it comes to trading we have quite a few options and Yes Wirrpunda is one of them, but I wouldn't consider trading him just for the sake of trading him. Trading him now "while we can get something for him" makes him sound as if he is on his last legs.

You don't want to trade him while he is on his last legs becasue his value will be ZERO. Thats the point. He is 1 or 2 years away from that so we can either trade him now.. get a top 10 pick... or keep him for 2 years and he retires and we get nothing.

Originally posted by West Coast Stre
It's all well and good saying that he isn't as good as he used to be but consider just what it is he does for the team and how valuable that is.

I agree he still does a job for the team.... but you have to weigh it up. Is he going to bring something to the team that someone else couldn't. For instance.... would you swap Wirrapunda for Jonathan Hay? I would suggest that would benefit our team.

Originally posted by West Coast Stre
And then again he might play another 7 years.

If Wirrapunda plays until he is 32 then I will eat my own excrement. He already said he has the body of a 30 year old when he is 24 so he has no chance.

Originally posted by West Coast Stre
Name 5 players who do a better job than him in the position he plays?

This year? Most of the team.

 

[Mark Viduka]

Originally posted by mick ryan
Even if they did Malthouse wouldn't offer anything worthwhile, he hasn't got a clue about the worth of players when it comes to trading just look at the farcical situation re Nick Stevens.

Malthouse is stuck in the 90's. He thinks he is back at the Eagles where he can trade David Hynes to Fremantle for Phil Matera and get Gardiner with a pick from giving away Ian Downsborough. He has to learn that the days of conning clubs into giving away draft picks has gone.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Originally posted by Mark Viduka
Honestly... its people like you that are the reason Carlton and Adelaide are at the bottom of the ladder. Short sightedness.

And its people like you that give our club the image of "corporate entity" rather than football club. Wirrpunda has been loyal to us and could have demanded to move back to Vic long ago, but he stayed. If we show a lack of loyalty to players like him, what reason do players like Judd have to show loyalty to the club?

 

[Streaker]

Originally posted by Mark Viduka
If Wirrapunda plays until he is 32 then I will eat my own excrement.

No need to eat any more as I think you are already full of it.

 

[Mark Viduka]

Originally posted by daddy_4_eyes
And its people like you that give our club the image of "corporate entity" rather than football club. Wirrpunda has been loyal to us and could have demanded to move back to Vic long ago, but he stayed. If we show a lack of loyalty to players like him, what reason do players like Judd have to show loyalty to the club?

Chris Judd is a bit more level headed than that. He knows if you don't perform in this game you are out on your ear. Anyway I think you are slightly overrating Wirrpunda's worth as a player. Like I said... how many times has Wirrpunda finished top 5 in the best and fairest? He is a extremely likable guy who can be exciting at times but also plays loose and can hurt us just as much. He is no champion... he is no Cousins or Judd.... so don't make him out to be one. Yes he could have gone back to Victoria years ago... but after he played about 8 games in 4 years we could also have thrown him on the scrapheap and we didn't.

 

[llosis]

This is the way I see the Wirra situation.

On current form, we are a mid table team. Maybe most of us thought we would be better than that, but realistically top 4 on potential is pushing it (regardless of Gardy's knee etc).

The last thing we want is mid table mediocrity and yet with the list we have that is most likely where we sit.

So the club at years end will want to do something about that, starting with a review of the list.

1. Some players on the list have some upside which the club will hope, given more preseasons and time, will develop into consistent high level performers (eg McDougall, Staker, Waters and plenty of others).

2. Some players have been on the fringes for some time and have played only a relatively small number of games and a decision will be made to let them go or keep them (eg Munro, Humm, Adkins etc)

3. Other players have been regular senior members of the side for some time and yet whilst they may have performed well in the past due to age, injury, displacement from younger players they are no longer seen as essential to the future of the club as their potential to improve is nil and their ability to maintain their best is limited (eg Collica, Morrison, and I would say Wirrapunda)

4. Then we have our elite performers who produce week in and week out at a consistently high level which is reflected in B&F voting at the end of the year (eg Cousins, Judd, Kerr, Gardy etc)

In a review of a club list like this you have to ask yourself the question, where do we improve?

One way is to expect natural improvement in catergory 1.
Another is to delist players in catergory 2 and replace via the draft with, hopefully, better players/ players with more potential.

Another is trade players in catergory 3 (and possibly 4) for players who offer something to club they are coming to that they don't necessarily for the club they are coming from. Wirra fits in this category.

His past two seasons have been disappointing. Injury free he hasn't produced as expected for whatever reason. He is a player of immense skill and may, in a new environment, play at a level that gets close to his level of skill. In other words there is potential for improvement at a new club that there might not be at the eagles. Similarly we see players return to their home states via trades or look for new starts (eg Barry Hall) and produce at level higher than where they were.

Wirra is not going to improve with us. He will keep producing at his current level for some time yet. However at the present moment he is an attractive, tradeable player. A couple of years time however, not so. Look at someone like Chad Morrison for example. Before his knees we would have got a decent player / high pick in return - not so now. I know Wirra hasn't done his knees so there is no need to aimlessly point out the difference between the two examples.

The similarity though is the timeline. We have a window on Wirra's value that is undoubtedly getting smaller and smaller. If we want to improve our list we need to give something to get something. We need to give something that hurt us the least and help someone else (at least in principle). If trading Wirra gives us the chance to get a Polak or a Franklin then we would be stupid not to trade.

 

[Mark Viduka]

Originally posted by llosis
The similarity though is the timeline. We have a window on Wirra's value that is undoubtedly getting smaller and smaller. If we want to improve our list we need to give something to get something. We need to give something that hurt us the least and help someone else (at least in principle). If trading Wirra gives us the chance to get a Polak or a Franklin then we would be stupid not to trade.

Finally someone who understands AFL football.