Women's Team

[The_Wookie]

The TAC doesn't grow the game , how do you come to this ?

Because its literally an elite program and not an entry level program. Theres nothing about it that grows the game.

Queensland , NSW like woman's football will continue for a long time to be a money pit and financial burden on the traditional AFL States Tasmania , WA , SA and Victoria .

Lol AFL Tasmania exists only because of AFL funding and state government grants. AFL Victoria, Like Queensland, NSW/ACT, NT and Tas are all subsidaries of the AFL. WA and SA state clubs are leeches that are only viable because they fleece the AFL clubs dry.

Not everything about the AFL is profit driven.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Because its literally an elite program and not an entry level program. Theres nothing about it that grows the game.



Lol AFL Tasmania exists only because of AFL funding and state government grants. AFL Victoria, Like Queensland, NSW/ACT, NT and Tas are all subsidaries of the AFL. WA and SA state clubs are leeches that are only viable because they fleece the AFL clubs dry.

Not everything about the AFL is profit driven.

So elite level doesn't grow the game ?
Your comments re Tassie make no sense . They only exist because of AFL funding yet are a subsidiary , I think you need to make up your mind . As for government grants , you'll find the majority of sporting organisations are the beneficiary of goverment grants which are structured to assist sporting organisations .
Anyway that's a fair way off the topic , in the end women's football will be a financial burden on the game for along time to come , which I don't support especially when other areas under pressure are paying for it .

 

[The_Wookie]

So elite level doesn't grow the game ?

TAC Cup doesnt bring new people to the game it is specifically for people already in the AFL development system. No it doesnt grow the game. Nor does it bring in much by way of income, its also a development program.

Your comments re Tassie make no sense . They only exist because of AFL funding yet are a subsidiary , I think you need to make up your mind .
As for government grants , you'll find the majority of sporting organisations are the beneficiary of goverment grants which are structured to assist sporting organisations .

You utterly missed my point here. Womens football falls in the same development category that state level football does, and the AFL spent 26 million last year on state development and second tier competitions - they arent self funding by any stretch of the imagination. AFL Victoria itself wasnt profitable before the AFL took it all in 2011, without massive AFL susbidies.

Anyway that's a fair way off the topic , in the end women's football will be a financial burden on the game for along time to come , which I don't support especially when other areas under pressure are paying for it .

Then we're going to have to disagree. The AFL as the sports governing body has a responsibility to all sexes playing the game, not just the men.

 

[RememberRoyce]

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responsibility to all sexes playing the game, not just the men.

Men, women and ??

 

[Hot tigers]

So elite level doesn't grow the game ?
Your comments re Tassie make no sense . They only exist because of AFL funding yet are a subsidiary , I think you need to make up your mind . As for government grants , you'll find the majority of sporting organisations are the beneficiary of goverment grants which are structured to assist sporting organisations .
Anyway that's a fair way off the topic , in the end women's football will be a financial burden on the game for along time to come , which I don't support especially when other areas under pressure are paying for it .

Yes i basically agree... Unfortunately business dictates sports now..

As i stated earlier i don't want a RFC women team unless it as a business is sound, it would be many years and maybe never before it makes money for RFC...

Im all for female sport, love the tennis, netball etc it needs to break even at least for me to approve..

With regards to to WAFL, SANFL, TAC etc, these are the heartbeat of Aussie rules footy, this is brand and support should be offered if needed, completely different conversation to starting a fresh competition with massive cost and potentially little commercial gain..

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

TAC Cup doesnt bring new people to the game it is specifically for people already in the AFL development system. No it doesnt grow the game. Nor does it bring in much by way of income, its also a development program.



You utterly missed my point here. Womens football falls in the same development category that state level football does, and the AFL spent 26 million last year on state development and second tier competitions - they arent self funding by any stretch of the imagination. AFL Victoria itself wasnt profitable before the AFL took it all in 2011, without massive AFL susbidies.



Then we're going to have to disagree. The AFL as the sports governing body has a responsibility to all sexes playing the game, not just the men.

State footy and TAC are development for the AFL competition which is the core business of AFL which also is the basis of large sponsorship and TV rights .
Furthermore traditional States such as SA , WA , Vic and to a lesser extent Tas also contribute significantly to AFL by way of supplying the overwhelming majority of player who play in the AFL competition. Also keep in mind that many players who are drafted from NSW based clubs are actually playing in AFL VIC country comps .
As for the massive subsides you claim was supplied to Victorian football , $300k annually was supplied to country vic footy. That had to be changed because the AFL refused to continue to invest that money in development which is exactly my point . Millions of dollars raised through TV rights and sponsorship from the AFL comp is getting thrown at states comps in NSW / Qld and also now women's football who are providing little to the succes of the AFL competition, the money maker.
It is very clear that the AFL more than caters for woman by the ongoing increase in attendance by woman at games . Catering for
Woman doesn't have to be supplying a woman's competition, but merely supplying a woman friendly environment for woman to participate or watch the core business , AFL football .
Keep in mind that woman are more likely to watch men's football than they are woman's football . Woman's football's largest audience is most likely to be men especially if they are put in skimpy outfits aren't butch . The majority of
the population are stimulated by the opposing sex.
If Vic / Tas , Sa and Wa were delivering the same level of footballer that is coming out of AFL NSW or AFL Queensland competitions do you really think sponsorship or TV rights would be to the same level ??

 

[The_Wookie]

State footy and TAC are development for the AFL competition which is the core business of AFL which also is the basis of large sponsorship and TV rights .

Dont make me laugh. Almost every cent of AFL money comes from the AFL competition. Not the states, and definitely not the TAC Cup. State sponsorship is bugger all compared to the AFL league and no state is currently receiving a cent for state league tv rights - they are in fact paying to be broadcast in WA, SA and Vic.

Furthermore traditional States such as SA , WA , Vic and to a lesser extent Tas also contribute significantly to AFL by way of supplying the overwhelming majority of player who play in the AFL competition. Also keep in mind that many players who are drafted from NSW based clubs are actually playing in AFL VIC country comps .

And those states will contribute players to a national womens competition too.

As for the massive subsides you claim was supplied to Victorian football , $300k annually was supplied to country vic footy. That had to be changed because the AFL refused to Continue to invest that money in development which is exactly my point.

Part of that development is womens football.

Millions of dollars raised through TV rights sponsorship from the AFL comp is getting thrown at states like NSW / Tas and also now women's football who are providing little to the succes of the AFL competition.

Players get drafted from these states too you know. Or, you can think small and stay small.

It is very clear that the AFL more than caters for woman by the ongoing increase in attendance by woman at games . Catering for
Woman doesn't have to be supplying a woman's competition. but merely supplying a woman friendly environment for woman to participate or watch the core business , AFL football

And we can have a womans football competition as well. Its worked for basketball, appears to be working for cricket. Its a brave new world.

Keep In mind that woman are more likely to watch men's football than they are woman's football . Woman footballs largest audience is most likely to be men especially if They are put in skimpy outfits aren't butch .

It doesnt matter who watches it, as long as someone does.

If Vic / Tas , Sa and Wa were delivering the same level of footballer that is coming out of AFL NSW or AFL Queensland competitions do you really think sponsorship or TV rights would be to the same level ??

Players are drafted from those competitions now. And they seem to do ok given these were areas that have been chronically underserved by football.

End of the day, I believe men and victorian football have had 150 years of focussing on themselves. Time to move on.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Dont make me laugh. Almost every cent of AFL money comes from the AFL competition. Not the states, and definitely not the TAC Cup. State sponsorship is bugger all compared to the AFL league and no state is currently receiving a cent for state league tv rights - they are in fact paying to be broadcast in WA, SA and Vic.



And those states will contribute players to a national womens competition too.



Part of that development is womens football.



Players get drafted from these states too you know. Or, you can think small and stay small.



And we can have a womans football competition as well. Its worked for basketball, appears to be working for cricket. Its a brave new world.



It doesnt matter who watches it, as long as someone does.



Players are drafted from those competitions now. And they seem to do ok given these were areas that have been chronically underserved by football.

End of the day, I believe men and victorian football have had 150 years of focussing on themselves. Time to move on.

Simple then isn't it divy out funds available for development based on amount of AFL footballers produced and that are contributing to the ongoing development on what we both agree is the money maker the AFL competition .
Do that and we are all happy .
Likewise distribute money to woman's football on a similar basis .
Those contributing get the reward . AFL QLD , AFL NSW and women's football would be gone in two years because they don't contribute what they are taking which has been the whole point of this discussion.
Just to clarify I have no issue with spending additional or increased monies received on new opportunities to take the game to new audiences . However I don't agree with taking money off certain areas that continue to be the biggest contributors to the AFL for the purpose of new streams which will never contribute there share .

 

[Infamy]

Keep in mind that woman are more likely to watch men's football than they are woman's football . Woman's football's largest audience is most likely to be men especially if they are put in skimpy outfits aren't butch . The majority of
the population are stimulated by the opposing sex.

Now you're just embarrassing yourself
Perhaps you should go back to the 1960s

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Now you're just embarrassing yourself
Perhaps you should go back to the 1960s

Tipping I am a little more in touch and involved with current football than you .
Maybe you should do some research before commenting on subjects you appear to have little knowledge on .

 

[The_Wookie]

Simple then isn't it divy out funds available for development based on amount of AFL footballers produced and that are contributing to the ongoing development on what we both agree is the money maker the AFL competition .

Development funding is designed to increase the amount of talent in the pool, not take it from the same pool its always had access to.

Do that and we are all happy .

Well you will be anyway.

Likewise distribute money to woman's football on a similar basis

Growth of the game means increasing opportunity for those who wouldnt normally take it up. This means in large part women now.

Those contributing get the reward . AFL QLD , AFL NSW and women's football would be gone in two years because they don't contribute what they are taking which has been the whole point of this discussion.

Got news for you, take AFL funding out of any state competition, including talent fees, grants, facilities grants, development officers, auskick and a variety of other things that the AFL and its sponsors either pay for or subsidies and no state league would survive.

Just to clarify I have no issue with spending additional or increased monies received on new opportunities to take the game to new audiences . However I don't agree with taking money off certain areas that continue to be the biggest contributors to the AFL for the purpose of new streams which will never contribute there share .

Well your in luck because the money isnt being taken off anyone. Womens league funding will come from the new broadcast deal and general AFl revenue that would not have been allocated to the states anyway.

 

[The_Wookie]

Tipping I am a little more in touch and involved with current football than you .

Your posting indicates a tiny world view that fails to see anything resembling a larger picture.

Maybe you should do some research before commenting on subjects you appear to have little knowledge on .

You could do the same.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Development funding is designed to increase the amount of talent in the pool, not take it from the same pool its always had access to.



Well you will be anyway.



Growth of the game means increasing opportunity for those who wouldnt normally take it up. This means in large part women now.



Got news for you, take AFL funding out of any state competition, including talent fees, grants, facilities grants, development officers, auskick and a variety of other things that the AFL and its sponsors either pay for or subsidies and no state league would survive.



Well your in luck because the money isnt being taken off anyone. Womens league funding will come from the new broadcast deal and general AFl revenue that would not have been allocated to the states anyway.

Development funding is designed to increase the amount of talent in the pool, not take it from the same pool its always had access to.



Well you will be anyway.



Growth of the game means increasing opportunity for those who wouldnt normally take it up. This means in large part women now.



Got news for you, take AFL funding out of any state competition, including talent fees, grants, facilities grants, development officers, auskick and a variety of other things that the AFL and its sponsors either pay for or subsidies and no state league would survive.



Well your in luck because the money isnt being taken off anyone. Womens league funding will come from the new broadcast deal and general AFl revenue that would not have been allocated to the states anyway.

Your wrong the development of woman's football in many areas has been conducted by afl Development managers whose role previously did not include women's football . This resource is being paid in the most part by affiliation fees which men's football clubs pay .
You keep on banging on about state league and TAC requiring funding , of coarse it does it is development of future AFL footballers . The return on the investment based on players who play within the AFL competition is far greater in the traditional States than non traditional and are likely to continue for many years if not for ever .
The majority of grants including facility grants are governent based and independent of the AFL .
You also obviously are obvilious to the cost increases that have been bestowed upon vic metro and country clubs as a result of the amalgamation which commenced in 2011.
Provide something which shows the investment in woman's football or afl NW or afl qld is producing the same return as it is in traditional states.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Your posting indicates a tiny world view that fails to see anything resembling a larger picture.



You could do the same.

My postings and views are based on experience and information I had been privy to over a long period . This includes reviews and implementation of policies and programs somewhat like woman's football .
I am extremely confident I have enough information to
Provide a balanced and calculated view on this subject .

 

[Infamy]

Tipping I am a little more in touch and involved with current football than you .
Maybe you should do some research before commenting on subjects you appear to have little knowledge on .

I couldn't care less how in touch you are with current football programs
I'm talking about how out of touch you are with modern society
You are a misogynist pig

 

[RememberRoyce]

I couldn't care less how in touch you are with current football programs
I'm talking about how out of touch you are with modern society
You are a misogynist pig

Wow... Merry Xmas.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

I couldn't care less how in touch you are with current football programs
I'm talking about how out of touch you are with modern society
You are a misogynist pig

I suspect you are one of the people
who believe organisations must have equal amounts of men and woman within management ?
Gender should not provide anyone with greater or lesser rights .
If you are referring to my comments re skimpy outfits I suggest you take a look at this photo of a woman's volleyball team who have allegedly seen a large increase in interest, including crowd numbers since changing uniform .

Have a nice Xmas sweety.

 

[Infamy]

Wow... Merry Xmas.

Couldn't give a shit what time of year it is
What kind of message is it when you tell a female that the only way she can play in a professional league is if she shows her ass so pervs can watch them play?

I suspect you are one of the people
who believe organisations must have equal amounts of men and woman within management ?
Gender should not provide anyone with greater or lesser rights .
If you are referring to my comments re skimpy outfits I suggest you take a look at this photo of a woman's volleyball team who have allegedly seen a large increase in interest, including crowd numbers since changing uniform

That doesn't make it right
You know who else made a similar comment about women's sport? Sepp Blatter about the Women's World Cup, it didn't go over well then either and they got plenty of spectators without having to resort to such tactics
If you want to hold similar beliefs to arguably the most hated man in world sport then go right ahead

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Couldn't give a shit what time of year it is
What kind of message is it when you tell a female that the only way she can play in a professional league is if she shows her ass so pervs can watch them play?


That doesn't make it right
You know who else made a similar comment about women's sport? Sepp Blatter about the Women's World Cup, it didn't go over well then either and they got plenty of spectators without having to resort to such tactics
If you want to hold similar beliefs to arguably the most hated man in world sport then go right ahead

Before you go labelling get your facts right at no stage did I say woman had to wear skimpy outfits to play football . What I did say and stand by is ' Woman's football's largest audience is most likely to be men especially if they are put in skimpy outfits aren't butch . '
The reality is that is what interests men .
Extremely piss poor on trying to play the sexist line .

 

[fumbler]

We should go hard for a womens side.


Most likely the only way we'll win a Grand Final.

 

[TigerImposter]

Why do women sports teams produce rosy calendars where they're hardly wearing any clothes?
Firstly I would like to thank The Roar and Wookie for both of their strong arguments as its been great reading
Coburg FC has an operational budget of just over $900k with hundreds of volunteers putting in the hard yards week in week out
Will the Afl fund clubs around a million dollars to prop teams up or more interestingly are the women going to generate sponsorship and memberships for long term survival?bc I don't believe the afl will continue to fund teams if they continue to run at a loss. Then again they're propping up a lot of clubs ATM
mainly due to their TV rights contracts saying 18 clubs must play somewhere every week.
VFL crowds are poor and have been for years and I just can't see TV and fans buying into it based on the quality of the product as VFL is of a higher standard and these teams push to break even
I'm in for it if they afl continues to put in the money , but I won't be attending to watch an inferior product
Just like I don't attend to men's beach volleyball events
Really there are only certain number of hours and dollars people or families cAn give up per week so for me horse racing , VFL and AFL hold sway with the odd Nrl game
I hope I'm not simplified down to being a misogynist as I really struggle to see how a women's team will survive although I would love them to

 

[monotone]

Mick Malthouse for inaugural womens RFC coach?

 

[Groupie_]

Make it compulsory to breed with the male side

we will make a massive rfc superhuman footy factory of babies made for afl football

 

[fumbler]

Make it compulsory to breed with the male side

we will make a massive rfc superhuman footy factory of babies made for afl football

That's one way of getting father son picks

 

[Tiger4Ever]

We should go hard for a womens side.


Most likely the only way we'll win a Grand Final.

I see what you did there and I like it!