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[Tiff]

The asterisks and capital letters mark you out as a real man of letters.

Who do you think should coach the team?

Good answer.

 

[Ian Dargie]

Yes, that's a good point. I wonder what it would take to get him here... We have some amazing players on our list. Hopefully Clarkson would like the challenge of making this a champion team?...

I reckon he might prefer the challenge of trying to win another flag with the list he built.

 

[Kaboodleer]

I'm not trying to be a dick here but to everyone who's saying he constantly gets outcoached two questions:

-What was going on the last two years when our game plan seemed much better than most?
-What are some examples of him being outcoached i.e. what has he done wrong this year?

I do think we have done some things badly this year. For instance we kick it long to contests far too much, we seem to play the boundary far too much and we don't run with the ball.

Most of the other stuff is to do with skill execution problems - indeed some of the problems above I would say are at least partly due to personnel. Particularly not being about hit leads nearly enough (hence choosing the safe option), poor first touches, panic handballs, panic kicks from clearances and finally lack of the speed to play over-the-top/ running fast breaks.

 

[Tiff]

Hey! Leave gunnar alone!

Why do you always bully me Shupe when I love you.

 

[Boohemian]

Accusing me of "blind devotion" is melodramatic.

I'm merely asking that those who want Worsfold to go should make a cogent argument for a replacement.

It's incumbent upon those calling for a change to outline the end result of that change i.e. who would coach the team if they got their way?

All we have heard from you is blind devotion, any melodrama has been provided by yourself. I also doubt whether you know what "incumbent" means, being the obvious misuse of the word.
Anyway, ask John Howard about incumbency, see how that fared him in 2007. All you're asking is for all to remain as it is, which is to accept mediocrity.

 

[Shupe]

Why do you always bully me Shupe when I love you.

I'm wasting my young years away.

 

[Tiff]

I'm wasting my young years away.

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[Kaboodleer]

I don't understand why people are reacting to Dargie with such hostility. Seems a pretty reasonable question to me: who is there we think will be better?

Roos? Nope, not going to coach.
Clarkson? Can't imagine he will leave.
Rocket? Not super impressed by him tbh

Personally I'd rather we didn't pull a Brisbane.

 

[InTheWings]

I reckon he might prefer the challenge of trying to win another flag with the list he built.

I would agree with that. Still, I think it would be good business for West Coast to sound him out.

 

[Boohemian]

I don't understand why people are reacting to Dargie with such hostility. Seems a pretty reasonable question to me: who is there we think will be better?

Roos? Nope, not going to coach.
Clarkson? Can't imagine he will leave.
Rocket? Not super impressed by him tbh

Personally I'd rather we didn't pull a Brisbane.

The difference being we're not winning games, therefore not pulling a "Brisbane"

 

[Ian Dargie]

All we have heard from you is blind devotion, any melodrama has been provided by yourself.

What constitutes blind devotion?

I'm merely asking those who want a change to make the case for a replacement. Why is it so hard to do that? What part of that is melodramatic?

I also doubt whether you know what "incumbent" means, being the obvious misuse of the word.

Did you know that incumbent has more than one meaning?

Sure, it means 'currently holding a position or office'. But it also means 'duty-bound or obligated'.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/incumbent

So it's perfectly correct to say that it is incumbent upon those calling for a change to explain who should be the coach instead of Worsfold i.e. they are obligated to make that case. Let me know if you still think this is incorrect.

Anyway, ask John Howard about incumbency, see how that fared him in 2007. All you're asking is for all to remain as it is, which is to accept mediocrity.

Who should coach the team instead of Worsfold?

 

[swannies]

I've oft wondered whether Alan Richardson would make a good coach. A good developer, by all accounts.

Ian Dargie, don't you think the club is duty bound to investigate other alternatives and see if there might be another, better option? Doesn't mean there will be, but put the feelers out, as they did in 2010...

 

[SwiftforPM]

As a few have pointed out previously on this board, is that McInnes is capable of being played as a KPD, hence not needing to invest in a new KPD yet, especially in light of WC's midfield deficiencies. And given McInnes is going into his third season next year, he's at that stage in his development to be furthering such by playing some AFL, if form permits.

No one can rightfully use the excuse that McInnes is a KPF so can't be used as a KPD, for so too was Brown initially. When Brown's KPF role didn't pan out, he began to be used a KPD. McInnes is capable of following suit.
McInnes may not have a regular place up forward if WC persist with using the resting ruckman as a third tall up forward, so he may only get games when Kennedy or Darling are injured. WC need to weigh-up their future plan as to whether they're going to go with three talls and a resting ruckman or, two talls and a resting ruckman. If WC go forward with the two tall model, McInnes is effectively on the outer. So, McInnes would then need to decide if he wants to stay as a back-up KPF, pursue a role as a KPD or leave for greener pastures.
McInnes has a leg-up of sorts in regards to a potential role as a KPD, for he's had experience playing at senior WAFL level as a KPD.

Edit add: It's also fitting at this time for a name update. I think SwiftforGP is appropriate.

I did request that they change it to SwiftforMD, but the powers that be would not grant me my wish, he informed me that SwiftforPM and SwiftforMD were almost the same so why bother changing it, I told him he was a Knob and left it at that.
I think we will chase a KPD, you think we won't, we can compare notes in a few months.

 

[Boohemian]

What constitutes blind devotion?

I'm merely asking those who want a change to make the case for a replacement. Why is it so hard to do that?

Did you know that incumbent has more than one meaning?

Sure, it means 'currently holding a position or office'. But it also means 'duty-bound or obligated'.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/incumbent

So it's perfectly correct to say that it is incumbent upon those calling for a change to explain who should be the coach instead of Worsfold i.e. they are obligated to make that case. Let me know if you still think this is incorrect.

Who should coach the team instead of Worsfold?

Why is it so hard for you to present a defence? If anything, that constitutes blind devotion right there. As much as you've asked critics for a replacement, I've asked you for a reason as to why Worsfold deserves an extension, with is a positive action, which requires justification, just as much as the negative being a sacking. What's your answer?

 

[Ian Dargie]

I've oft wondered whether Alan Richardson would make a good coach. A good developer, by all accounts.

Ian Dargie, don't you think the club is duty bound to investigate other alternatives and see if there might be another, better option? Doesn't mean there will be, but put the feelers out, as they did in 2010...

Any club should be thinking along those lines when they have a coach reaching the end of a contract.

But my argument is not with what the club is or isn't doing.

My argument is with those who say Worsfold should go without being willing or able to say who should coach the club instead. If someone thinks that Rodney Eade or Mark Williams or someone untried represents an improvement on Worsfold, then say so. Make that case. But simply saying that Worsfold should go, without having anything specific to say about who should replace him, is inadequate.

 

[Boohemian]

Any club should be thinking along those lines when they have a coach reaching the end of a contract.

But my argument is not with what the club is or isn't doing.

My argument is with those who say Worsfold should go without being willing or able to say who should coach the club instead. If someone thinks that Rodney Eade or Mark Williams or someone untried represents an improvement on Worsfold, then say so. Make that case. But simply saying that Worsfold should go, without having anything specific to say about who should replace him, is inadequate.

In other words, he has no argument.

 

[swannies]

Any club should be thinking along those lines when they have a coach reaching the end of a contract.

But my argument is not with what the club is or isn't doing.

My argument is with those who say Worsfold should go without being willing or able to say who should coach the club instead. If someone thinks that Rodney Eade or Mark Williams or someone untried represents an improvement on Worsfold, then say so. Make that case. But simply saying that Worsfold should go, without having anything specific to say about who should replace him, is inadequate.

Put it like this. I've got a staff member who is adequate. He's OK at what he does, however, there are some areas that let him down and frustrate the bejesus out of me. I could look and find a better option, which would cause less frustration for me and perform the role better for our customers. In fact, I would be better off doing that, but....

 

[Lucky Luc]

OK - thanks for the self-help, champ.

If you want Worsfold to go, who should replace him?

Did you really expect to beat Collingwood on the rebound with a B grade team take the backline with Brown ,Smith ,Sheppard ,Maginnity and a newcomer in Wilson these guys are developing and it truly is one week at a time with them.Some weeks if the opposition is weak they play well and when up against strong teams they struggle ..

No I didn't expect to win at all. A team is judged on how they respond from been thumped the week before.
Would you say we responded to last weeks thrashing tonight ??
Then this does not look good on the coach, irrespective whos out there,
there was no desperate effort to compete, even after last weeks loss.
That performance is actually a coach killer.

 

[ChampRevesby]

No I didn't expect to win at all. A team is judged on how they respond from been thumped the week before.
Would you say we responded to last weeks thrashing tonight ??
Then this does not look good on the coach, irrespective whos out there,
there was no desperate effort to compete, even after last weeks loss.
That performance is actually a coach killer.

I agree, it's ****ing pathetic and its the coach's fault.

 

[Ian Dargie]

Why is it so hard for you to present a defence? If anything, that constitutes blind devotion right there.

But I've done this already.

Worsfold's record is not so bad that he absolutely must go. It therefore becomes a question of whether we think there is someone obviously better-equipped to coach the team. And that brings us back to my question about who you think should replace him.

As much as you've asked critics for a replacement, I've asked you for a reason as to why Worsfold deserves an extension, with is a positive action, which requires justification, just as much as the negative being a sacking. What's your answer?

The bottom line is that Worsfold may still be our best option. His overall record and the list of possible replacements suggests that is not beyond the pale.

I take it you concede you were wrong to correct my use of incumbent?

 

[ChampRevesby]

But I've done this already.

Worsfold's record is not so bad that he absolutely must go. It therefore becomes a question of whether we think there is someone obviously better-equipped to coach the team. And that brings us back to my question about who you think should replace him.

The bottom line is that Worsfold may still be our best option. His overall record and the list of possible replacements suggests that is not beyond the pale.

I take it you concede you were wrong to correct my use of incumbent?

Oh Jesus ****ing christ Dargie, ANYONE, try ANYONE! **** me.

 

[Ian Dargie]

In other words, he has no argument.

My argument is that those calling for Worsfold to go need to have something sensible to say about who should replace him.

If you don't grasp this, then that says more about you than it does about me.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

his winning percentage since Judd and Cousins left is 43.8% to put that in perspective.
Terry Wallace at Richmond in 4.5 years 37.8%
Chris Connelly in 6 years 51.2%
Michael Voss in 5 years 40%
Danny Frawley in 5 years 39.8%

He doesn't deserve to coach the team based on the performance of the team over the last 6 years. As these other teams realised, change is needed.

Ian Dargie

 

[Ian Dargie]

Oh Jesus ******* christ Dargie, ANYONE, try ANYONE! **** me.

OK. So if we sacked Worsfold and appointed Mark Neeld. You'd be happy with that?

 

[ChampRevesby]

OK. So if we sacked Worsfold and appointed Mark Neeld. You'd be happy with that?

Yep go for it!