Would Hobart need a new stadium?

[Mr Taswegian]

It will be a rectangular stadium though. That's what retractable seating allows.

I have always heard they prefer permanent rectangular stadium's but I could be wrong.

 

[TheTassieHawk]

It will be a rectangular stadium though. That's what retractable seating allows.

Will the rectangular configuration be the exact equivalent of a purpose built rectangular stadium though?

If so, what is the equivalent stadium in Australia, the UK or elsewhere in the world that is OPTIMAL for both oval and rectangular playing fields.

Stadium Australia is purported to be convertible from Rectangular field to oval field sports, but I haven’t heard great things from AFL supporters about their experiences there.

Let’s be honest the stadium proponents are trying to express that it can and will be used for a variety of sports and entertainment uses as otherwise it will get little political support as a white elephant.

The key is to see both sides of FEDERAL politics commit to the lions share of the funding (which I believe applied in North Queensland for the Townsvile Stadium) so that those Tasmanian’s opposed cannot rely on financial arguments against the proposal.

 

[fargothegreat]

I have always heard they prefer permanent rectangular stadium's but I could be wrong.

They most likely do, but I reckon they'd take a state of the art hybrid stadium with a roof over a smaller rectangular stadium in Cornelian Bay (which is what the government was considering before the opportunity for AFL became serious).

 

[TheTassieHawk]

I have always heard they prefer permanent rectangular stadium's but I could be wrong.

A rectangular stadium would be a big plus for any A League bid, under the previous premier there has been general but very non specific commitments to a rectangular stadium IF an a league license was granted, very chicken and egg like.

 

[fargothegreat]

Will the rectangular configuration be the exact equivalent of a purpose built rectangular stadium though?

If so, what is the equivalent stadium in Australia, the UK or elsewhere in the world that is OPTIMAL for both oval and rectangular playing fields.

Stadium Australia is purported to be convertible from Rectangular field to oval field sports, but I haven’t heard great things from AFL supporters about their experiences there.

Let’s be honest the stadium proponents are trying to express that it can and will be used for a variety of sports and entertainment uses as otherwise it will get little political support as a white elephant.

The key is to see both sides of FEDERAL politics commit to the lions share of the funding (which I believe applied in North Queensland for the Townsvile Stadium) so that those Tasmanian’s opposed cannot rely on financial arguments against the proposal.

I've got no doubt a purpose built rectangular stadium would be better for soccer/rugby, but I'm sure those sports will be happy with a hybrid stadium given that it will be in a prime location with a roof.

 

[TheTassieHawk]

They most likely do, but I reckon they'd take a state of the art hybrid stadium with a roof over a smaller rectangular stadium in Cornelian Bay (which is what the government was considering before the opportunity for AFL became serious).

I agree that a well located stadium with a roof would be a decent option for home A League games.

Not as good as a smaller and much cheaper rectangular stadium (with or without a roof) at the SAME location but something that could work provided that the rectangular configuration is a key part of the stadium design and not an afterthought.

 

[TheTassieHawk]

I've got no doubt a purpose built rectangular stadium would be better for soccer/rugby, but I'm sure those sports will be happy with a hybrid stadium given that it will be in a prime location with a roof.

What rugby league/union content is likely?

One/Two regular season NRL game a year?

A preseason Super Rugby match?

Wallabies vs a complete minnow ?

How do those sports benefit from Tassie hosting games?

 

[TheTassieHawk]

State Opposition mentioned in this article as being opposed/unconvinced about a new Hobart Stadium

Cost of Hobart stadium likely to be higher than $750m, documents show

The $750 million price tag attached to Hobart's proposed new stadium was a "ballpark" figure provided by a consultant a week before the announcement — with a minister admitting "we had to be able to explain what it could cost, now we need to find out what it will cost".

www.abc.net.au

The ABC states that the Government are committing $1.25 million in 22-23 for a feasibility study, no mention of when it would be completed

I don't often read Mercury editorials but they seemed to go particularly hard on a perceived lack of bipartisan support from Labor (sorry paywalled)

https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=b6f5...TdmMjQ4Zjk0Y2EwZDQ4NGQ5OWJmYjk5OWMyMTEw&ntb=1

 

[Roogal]

Consider that Marvel Stadium is effectively a hybrid. It's just that they rarely roll the outer boundary seats forward for people to think of it as a hybrid. I am reckoning that the AFL would want the proposed new stadium to be something akin to a smaller version of Marvel.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Well, now Gil has said they absolutely do need one for a bid to succeed. But here's an interesting piece from the ABC:

No new stadium, no team, AFL tells Tasmania

The Tasmanian government suggested a costly new stadium and now that the toothpaste is out of the tube, it's never going back in again, writes Chris Rowbottom.

www.abc.net.au

It's here where it should be mentioned that it was Tasmania, and not the AFL, that thrust the idea of a new Hobart stadium into the consciousness of footy fans across the country.

As soon as it did, the toothpaste was out of the tube.

To walk back that plan now would rob the state, and therefore the bid, of all credibility, and as a result, Tasmanian taxpayers are now on the hook for a new build whether they like it or not.

The AFL knows this and has pounced, hence today's ultimatum.

Why wouldn't the AFL demand the stadium since the government breathed it into existence in the first place?

The AFL will not budge on a stadium, and the government can't walk it back.

It means that a new Hobart stadium is odds on to happen, with the state government highly unlikely to let slip its dream of entering the AFL.

It sounds like Gutwein's parting gift to Tasmanians was undermining their negotiating power by releasing that silly back-of-the-envelope plan and costing for a new stadium. A more detailed document would have been much better, and ideally with a lower cost. Indeed, the ABC article goes on to suggest that the plans will probably have to be scaled down:

But that doesn't mean there won't be twists to come as talks and negotiations ramp up ahead of D-Day in August, and it's here where the government needs to be craftier than it's so far been.

It will need to tone down the proposed $750 million waterfront build, and it's likely the government's own feasibility study and business case will help achieve that.

Those studies will likely find the government's eyes to be bigger than their bellies, and recommend an alternative build, perhaps in a location other than Regatta Point, for a smaller sum.

Private money, and plenty of it, will need to be secured.

Investors, inspired by the government's lucrative deal with NBL owner Larry Kestelman that saw him purchase Hobart's Wilkinson's Point on the proviso he spends $150 million in developing the site, shouldn't be too hard to find.

 

[kranger]

Let’s say Hobart gets a new stadium that costs over $750m. Would that then mean all the Tasmanian teams games get played in Hobart to maximise the usage of the new ground?

No doubt a Tasmanian AFL team would have an associated VFL team (like all the other east coast AFL teams) and a AFLW team. Would all the VFL and AFLW games be played at York Park so there is something in the north?

 

[The Victorian]

Let’s say Hobart gets a new stadium that costs over $750m. Would that then mean all the Tasmanian teams games get played in Hobart to maximise the usage of the new ground?

No doubt a Tasmanian AFL team would have an associated VFL team (like all the other east coast AFL teams) and a AFLW team. Would all the VFL and AFLW games be played at York Park so there is something in the north?

My thinking is-

Majority of matches will be played there. There then may be 1-3 home matches against smaller drawing teams in Launceston.

The AFL might try and our a marquee exhibition match like a state of origin match at the new stadium too to open the new ground.

The government will try and bring in as many events as possible like soccer (Aleague expansion?, world cup qualifiers?), rugby (Bledisloe Cup, State of Origin, 2027 RWC etc) as well as additional concerts and other major events.

AFLW would be a similar model to Fremantle- might play one or two marquee matches at the new stadium and any finals with a combination of matches at UTAS and North Hobart.

VFL will be similar. Matches at UTAS and North Hobart with some double header matches at the new stadium.

 

[Mr Taswegian]

My thinking is-

Majority of matches will be played there. There then may be 1-3 home matches against smaller drawing teams in Launceston.

The AFL might try and our a marquee exhibition match like a state of origin match at the new stadium too to open the new ground.

The government will try and bring in as many events as possible like soccer (Aleague expansion?, world cup qualifiers?), rugby (Bledisloe Cup, State of Origin, 2027 RWC etc) as well as additional concerts and other major events.

AFLW would be a similar model to Fremantle- might play one or two marquee matches at the new stadium and any finals with a combination of matches at UTAS and North Hobart.

VFL will be similar. Matches at UTAS and North Hobart with some double header matches at the new stadium.

The taskforce has said all the big drawing games will be played in Launceston not that I agree with that to be honest.

 

[Burnsy01]

The taskforce has said all the big drawing games will be played in Launceston not that I agree with that to be honest.

Only for the first few years while the new stadium was being built. Then they recommended splitting the game. But of course that won't happen now because everyone knows to can't just have 6 or 7 game in a new stadium $750m+ stadium.

 

[Mr Taswegian]

Only for the first few years while the new stadium was being built. Then they recommended splitting the game. But of course that won't happen now because everyone knows to can't just have 6 or 7 game in a new stadium $750m+ stadium.

They will most likely come up with a cheaper stadium although I realise it will still need sufficient content.