Would You Do This Deal??

[LeoMessi]

I wouldn't do it. HH has the potential to dominate midfields and looks like he's getting right body right recently. I would back Butcher and Shaw (eventho I haven't seen him play yet but people have big wraps on him) to come good once they're fully developed.

 

[davesnothere]

One of our biggest weaknesses is depth, so those that want to trade out multiple decent picks/ players to get just one pick back need to get serious for a second.

As said above, the only player id consider trading is one that wants out.

Matty Lobbe is out of contract at seasons end and has finally come good. I don't want to trade him but if he wanted out I think GWS would look hard at him. Obviously not for pick 1 straight swap, but they might consider

Lobbe, our first pick (pick 10)
Pick 1, their second pick (pick 20)

This of course is if he keeps up the good form, and he wants out. Which right now I cant see any reason why he would. He looks happy,

The thing about Lobbe is I remember when he re signed last time around it was clear he loved the club and it wasn't just your usual re sign lines he was pulling out ...GWS will look very closely at him and I think would do that deal...but as you say he looks happy here

 

[FishingRick04]

I'm with Macca, I'd need an adult diper to because I'd wet myself.

If we traded Hamish for Boyd we could trade Butcher for another mid no?

 

[Adz2332]

Honestly yes i would do it.

But id prefer to trade Pittard, Moore, Stewy etc and our pick up to 3 or 4 and draft Aish

 

[ash_78]

Yep, would trade unless he shows something in the next 10 weeks. In fact I probably planted this seed in your mind in my suggestion on the main board...

 

[Janus]

In isolation, based on output and potential, you would do the trade. That is, if you were sitting in the stands, and critiquing the performance of players based purely on their worth to the team on the field. But unfortunately for some on here, sport isn't just about individual performance. I'm not saying that Hamish is the heartbeat of our team or anything, but when you are coming from a long way back and trying to rebuild a club culture based on one in, all in type football, the last thing you do is trade out a potentially elite player for another. We ask the players to never give up, and the first thing some of you want to do is give up on Hamish? Easy for you to say from the stands. The guy is finally, finally starting to look like his body is able to hold up to the rigors of AFL football. He will have his break out season next year, the same way that Boak has this year. Mark my words.

Anyway, I'd rather let GWS take Boyd, keep Hartlett, then do a trade for someone like Patton or Cameron at the end of next year when it's clear that Franklin, Patton, Cameron and Boyd can't fit into the same team. Boyd would be nice, but I'm not going to sell what we are trying to build here because of him.

 

[Lightning_Rod]

How does hinkley sell an ethos like " we're all on this journey together" and then explain selling a valued club man and leader for the right price ? So what this journey we are on is only so long as a big bid doesn't come along? Where's the stability in that?

This is ignoring the fact Hamish is a jet who we have invested in heavily all for.nort?

 

[Lightning_Rod]

Number 1 picks are a lottery in themselves

 

[bomberclifford]

It's a no from me. I'm not a gambler.
No1 picks are overrated.

 

[manureid]

All funny until the Vic Metro kid goes all 'Benny Jacobs' after 2 seasons and runs back to Mum. Risk>Reward in this case.

 

[raman]

I'm also in the head says yes, heart says no camp.

 

[ploppy]

If this Boyd kid is as good as the hype id trade butcher for the number 1 pick if GWS would do that..which they wouldnt..

 

[Us against the rest]

The way our team is shaping up we will have quite a few a graders in the next couple of years, so let's keep our good players drop off what we don't need and just add a few we do. I think a lot of how our players develop is because we have good coaches and fitness people, not so much the talent. Dom"s last game, Westhoff, Bobby all have improved under Ken. We can loose, Pfeiffer, Hitchcock, Thomas, D Stewart and Cassisi and Brett Ebert will probably call it a day, Logan? That opens up 7 or spots on our list so we can supplement the awesome group we already have.

 

[S.Patrol.G]

In isolation, based on output and potential, you would do the trade. That is, if you were sitting in the stands, and critiquing the performance of players based purely on their worth to the team on the field. But unfortunately for some on here, sport isn't just about individual performance. I'm not saying that Hamish is the heartbeat of our team or anything, but when you are coming from a long way back and trying to rebuild a club culture based on one in, all in type football, the last thing you do is trade out a potentially elite player for another. We ask the players to never give up, and the first thing some of you want to do is give up on Hamish? Easy for you to say from the stands. The guy is finally, finally starting to look like his body is able to hold up to the rigors of AFL football. He will have his break out season next year, the same way that Boak has this year. Mark my words.

Anyway, I'd rather let GWS take Boyd, keep Hartlett, then do a trade for someone like Patton or Cameron at the end of next year when it's clear that Franklin, Patton, Cameron and Boyd can't fit into the same team. Boyd would be nice, but I'm not going to sell what we are trying to build here because of him.

Much of your opinion, especially of late, has been giving me immediate.

 

[davesnothere]

How quick is Boyd?...I have not seen him play just looking at 102 kilos now maybe gets a little heavier?...is he someone defenders will run off at AFL level?

 

[Chrizzt]

Based purely on player worth, it'd be a close call. Dominating power forwards (especially of his height) are much rarer than great midfielders, so on that merit alone, I probably would.

Being a tad more realistic with the scenario, I wouldn't though. We've got Butcher and Shaw developing. While neither has shown they will be amazing just yet, it's not like we are in dire trouble with our KPF stocks (like Carlton who basically have no one after Waite). And given where we are at in respect to our premiership window, we can afford to take a bit more time to continue developing these guys.

Being completely realistic, taking into account how football clubs work, and the deal would never happen. You never see top line players like that (especially members of the leadership group) traded out of a club without them wanting to be traded out first. It does too much damage to the team psyche. Like a few others have said, this playing group have struggled together for a few years, and have shown their faith in the club be re-signing, that trading out one of them against their will to obtain a (somewhat speculative) new talent would kill that team atmosphere and put everyone on edge about whether they were going to be at the club next year, and if not whether they should bother giving their heart and soul to each game.

 

[Andre]

It's a hard call. I agree with quality for quality, but unless a player wants out you want to still do a trade where '<area of ground> minus player out plus next in line in' doesn't weaken the team more than '<other area of ground> plus player' strengthens the team. Then taking into account our picks should be worse the next 3 or 4 years (as we go up the ladder) it makes it tempting.

If pick one (Boyd) was a 100% certain gun I'd say yes, but you have the likes of Kosi and Watts of top tier very early draft pick KPP's who if you did the trade and got that sort of performance out of you'd curse long and hard. Given the odds I'd go with no. Now Harlett for Patton or Cameron (along with something like our 2nd round for their 3rd round pick) I'd do, as the odds of them making it as top shelf are much higher.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Keep in mind the timelines of these things. Our best chance of winning a premiership this decade is in the next 2-3 seasons before GC and GWS hit their peak. Hamish Hartlett will be a much better player over the next 2-3 seasons than Tom Boyd will.

And I don't buy this 'he'll make a huge impact straight away'! stuff either. How many draftee age key forwards have had a huge impact in their first season or two? Jack Darling and Jeremy Cameron are the only ones in recent years who I can think of. Joe Daniher was every bit as hyped up as Tom Boyd and he's played two games this season. Jonathan Patton was a big-bodied #1 draft pick and (admittedly partly due to injury) he's done nothing yet. There's more to making an impact straight away than just having the body size for it.

 

[Killer Power]

Nope from me. KH is trying to build a culture, build a winning team. You don't do that by burning top players who are committed to staying.

 

[davesnothere]

Nope from me. KH is trying to build a culture, build a winning team. You don't do that by burning top players who are committed to staying.

Just so I could like it again....I'm thinking our squad changes with be minimal.

 

[spookism]

I'm looking forward to Capel article in the next day or so, "It is understood that Port Adelaide (fans) are discussing the possibility of trading Hamish Hartlett for the Number One draft pick."

 

[FishingRick04]

Keep in mind the timelines of these things. Our best chance of winning a premiership this decade is in the next 2-3 seasons before GC and GWS hit their peak. Hamish Hartlett will be a much better player over the next 2-3 seasons than Tom Boyd will.

And I don't buy this 'he'll make a huge impact straight away'! stuff either. How many draftee age key forwards have had a huge impact in their first season or two? Jack Darling and Jeremy Cameron are the only ones in recent years who I can think of. Joe Daniher was every bit as hyped up as Tom Boyd and he's played two games this season. Jonathan Patton was a big-bodied #1 draft pick and (admittedly partly due to injury) he's done nothing yet. There's more to making an impact straight away than just having the body size for it.

We don't need a key forward next year, but in 2-3 years it will be vital Jay and Justin will be close to 30.

 

[kaysee]

Imagine for a moment that you are responsible for list management at the PAFC. A call comes through from GWS and they offer you pick 1 (ie. Tom Boyd) for Hamish Hartlett. You are employed to do what is best for the PAFC, do you do this deal??

Yes!

Without hesitation I would agree to those terms as a list manager. That doesn't mean HH (or others within the club) would agree or the deal could be struck.

But as a list management decision... a definite yes. The jury is still out on HH, his body and longevity. I think Macca19 once commented something like "he has the crappiest kick I've ever seen for an elite kicker". I'm quite happy with our midfield depth: Boak, Ebert, Cornes, Wingard, Wines, Broadbent, Moore with Neade/Stewart/Monfries rotating through. Finding top up midfielders is easier than KPF.

Our KPF stocks are our most concerning area IMO with the rest of the developing team. We rely heavily on Schulz's movement, contesting and goal kicking in our forward half. Both on the scoreboard and to create for others. Westhoff will never be the main KPF, Butcher has his own body/mental demons, Shaw is promising but unknown, Salter is running out of time and don't get me started on DStew.

Boyd would give us that cornerstone KPF we can build around for 10 years. Leaving Westhoff in his normal role and giving Butcher/Shaw time to develop. Boyd has the height now to trouble AFL defenders while his body takes 3 pre-seasons to build/tone up.

 

[Spadge]

HH for number 1? YES without hesitation

Mids are a dime a dozen but 199cm 104kg monster Key Position Forward no1 draft picks arent

 

[kaysee]

HH for number 1? YES without hesitation

Mids are a dime a dozen but 199cm 104kg monster Key Position Forward no1 draft picks arent

Plus this draft is supposed to be a mid fielder heavy draft... so we could likely pick up some quality mids with our own 1st and 2nd picks.