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Call me a bandwagoner - but I am starting to prefer T20 to ODI's

Mainly because I can see an entire game after i knock off from work

Test cricket is still the pinnacle - and the most enjoyable to watch - however if we are talking a shortened form - then T20 has it for me.

The issue with ODI's is the fact that for the past 20 years - overs 15 - 40 generally involve a team noodling the ball around to fieldsmen in the deep for singles.

Even a classic on-drive, cut shot or flick off the pads only yields one run. It's not traditional cricket - and the building of an innings is a fallacy - look how easy Michael clarke's innings was yesterday - no fielders anywhere near the bat - could push easy singles from ball dot - ended up with 80-odd with bugger all boundaries! He didn't have to worry about slips, or finding the gaps on the off-side, or worry about being pushed onto the back foot - or flighted spin bowling.
 

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The rules of the ODI doesn't need to change any more, it just needs an proper schedule with a ladder and home/away season on a yearly or two yearly roster that cut out the dead rubbers.
 
The Falcon Strike said:
Even a classic on-drive, cut shot or flick off the pads only yields one run. It's not traditional cricket - and the building of an innings is a fallacy - look how easy Michael clarke's innings was yesterday - no fielders anywhere near the bat - could push easy singles from ball dot - ended up with 80-odd with bugger all boundaries! He didn't have to worry about slips, or finding the gaps on the off-side, or worry about being pushed onto the back foot - or flighted spin bowling.
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I actually enjoyed his innings - good to see somebody play an anchor type role, without getting bogged down (like Kahn did), and then accelerating when appropriate.

Chicken probably has a decent idea.
 
King Elvis said:
I actually enjoyed his innings - good to see somebody play an anchor type role, without getting bogged down (like Kahn did), and then accelerating when appropriate.

Chicken probably has a decent idea.
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I don't deny it wasn't an appropriate innings for the game - however easysingles to long on and long off are boring as bat shit.

How about some cat and mouse - of having fielders inside the circle meaning the batsman has to take a risk to score runs. This is what is great about test cricket.

ODI is just a negative predictable game - that hasn't had any real innovation since Jayasuriya and Kaluvitharana opened the batting in australia in the 90's.
 
The Falcon Strike said:
I don't deny it wasn't an appropriate innings for the game - however easysingles to long on and long off are boring as bat shit.

How about some cat and mouse - of having fielders inside the circle meaning the batsman has to take a risk to score runs. This is what is great about test cricket.

ODI is just a negative predictable game - that hasn't had any real innovation since Jayasuriya and Kaluvitharana opened the batting in australia in the 90's.
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It was smart batting due to bad captaincy, Mohammed Yousy is one of the dumbest tatically and most defensive captains ive seen for a while. As soons as the field restrictions are over he puts 5 men out on the boundry.

Ponting is the complete opposite doesn't mind keeping a 5th fileder in the circle during the middle overs and may put the 5th field on the boundry the 5th and 6th balls of the over.

Why would clarke need to risk hitting over the top when the field is so spread from ball one for him he can knock it round for 1's and 2's and score at 4 an over without any risk.
 
saj_21 said:
It was smart batting due to bad captaincy, Mohammed Yousy is one of the dumbest tatically and most defensive captains ive seen for a while. As soons as the field restrictions are over he puts 5 men out on the boundry.

Ponting is the complete opposite doesn't mind keeping a 5th fileder in the circle during the middle overs and may put the 5th field on the boundry the 5th and 6th balls of the over.

Why would clarke need to risk hitting over the top when the field is so spread from ball one for him he can knock it round for 1's and 2's and score at 4 an hour without any risk.
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That's my whole point - i have already said it was an appropriate innings - it is the negative game that ODI has become that makes it boring.
 
Sean. said:
Then what would be the point of 20 over cricket? It would be terrible.
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2 different forms, one a bit longer. The issue with ODI's is the middle overs, it is a snooze fest in the middle overs. You either :

a) Scrap the middle overs (hence T20 cricket)

b) You compromise (hence 30 or 40 over cricket, make it 40 if you want)

c) Limit the number of fielders outside the circle at all times
 

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bombersno1 said:
2 different forms, one a bit longer. The issue with ODI's is the middle overs, it is a snooze fest in the middle overs. You either :

a) Scrap the middle overs (hence T20 cricket)

b) You compromise (hence 30 or 40 over cricket, make it 40 if you want)

c) Limit the number of fielders outside the circle at all times
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50 over cricket is integral to the game from grass roots to national. Removing it or making it defunct is not an option, creating a proper international calendar with an effort to bring the tier system into play would remove the problems currently associated with the sameness of these five match series while creating equality between the nations that would encourage growth and exposure while making the ICC a more legitimate governing body.
 
Ill Chicken said:
50 over cricket is integral to the game from grass roots to national.
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Give me one reason..cricket lasted for 100's of years before ODI's came in. We have a better version oflimited overs cricket in T20. I'd rather have a 5 match T20 series.
 
bombersno1 said:
Give me one reason..cricket lasted for 100's of years before ODI's came in. We have a better version oflimited overs cricket in T20. I'd rather have a 5 match T20 series.
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Considering that all the tier nations, the majority of their cricket is based on the 50 over format which is a stepping stone to the first class cricket, by relegating this format, it means they go from playing a format that assists in the development of their longer form but also enables them a chance to play against international teams and so on to getting blasted out continually in T20 format with little to no development and making it extremely difficult for them to transfer from 20 over cricket to 100 over+ cricket. The development of the game has been crucial in this respect.

Test cricket has been around 100 years, but for the first 50 there was what, four teams? Since its inception there has then been only another 6 teams, yet ODI cricket has seen a huge development in the game in the last 15 years where the tier program is actually seeing huge improvement from the minnows. Throwing 50 over cricket away is not in the best interests of cricket.
 
The 'boring' bit of ODI's are generally when the fielding captain decides saving boundaries is better than taking a wicket....and the batsman decide scoring at 4.5 an over in singles is enough to set up a 'launchpad' for the last 5-15 overs.

Fix it by removing the fielding captain's ability to push the field back. If he's only allowed 3 outside the circle for the entire innings and must keep two catchers....suddenly the game becomes more attacking (from both sides) and therefore more 'exciting'.
 
bombersno1 said:
Give me one reason..cricket lasted for 100's of years before ODI's came in. We have a better version oflimited overs cricket in T20. I'd rather have a 5 match T20 series.
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"Better" in what sense? Because there is more mindless slogging?

I find T20 mildly enjoyable, but it is a far cry from being "cricket" as far as I'm concerned. You just have to look at the sort of players that are "superstars" of T20 to see how different they are from true cricketers. At least 50 over cricket has some resemblance to the real game.
 
Reducing it to 40 overs would help as it would remove 10 boring overs in the middle of the game. English first class cricket as change their one day format to 40 over cricket the season just passed.

I think the power plays should only allowed to be taken between overs 20-40. Subtle wit out drastically changing the format of the game.
 

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The Falcon Strike said:
Call me a bandwagoner - but I am starting to prefer T20 to ODI's

Mainly because I can see an entire game after i knock off from work

Test cricket is still the pinnacle - and the most enjoyable to watch - however if we are talking a shortened form - then T20 has it for me.

The issue with ODI's is the fact that for the past 20 years - overs 15 - 40 generally involve a team noodling the ball around to fieldsmen in the deep for singles.

Even a classic on-drive, cut shot or flick off the pads only yields one run. It's not traditional cricket - and the building of an innings is a fallacy - look how easy Michael clarke's innings was yesterday - no fielders anywhere near the bat - could push easy singles from ball dot - ended up with 80-odd with bugger all boundaries! He didn't have to worry about slips, or finding the gaps on the off-side, or worry about being pushed onto the back foot - or flighted spin bowling.
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The Falcon Strike said:
I don't deny it wasn't an appropriate innings for the game - however easysingles to long on and long off are boring as bat shit.

How about some cat and mouse - of having fielders inside the circle meaning the batsman has to take a risk to score runs. This is what is great about test cricket.

ODI is just a negative predictable game - that hasn't had any real innovation since Jayasuriya and Kaluvitharana opened the batting in australia in the 90's.
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Exactly what he said, but to be honest, I am not sure when I will make the effort to go to a T20 game either.
 

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