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alberto_cat said:
that's a stupid thing to say, there is pretty much no proper FFs or CHFs anymore, not in the "modern game" (i hate that term)
the fact that Bradshaw doesn't kick more goals than Brown at Brisbane, does that make him a dud?
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Really? I would say that there are still players who play very close to the traditional roles. For example Fevola is very close to a traditional FF and Reiwoldt is very close to a traditional CHF.

Hawkins spends a far greater percentage of his time in the forward 50 than Gumbleton so using goals kicked as the sole basis for comparison is quite simplistic.
 
Jono B said:
Really? I would say that there are still players who play very close to the traditional roles. For example Fevola is very close to a traditional FF and Reiwoldt is very close to a traditional CHF.

Hawkins spends a far greater percentage of his time in the forward 50 than Gumbleton so using goals kicked as the sole basis for comparison is quite simplistic.
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OK, Fevola, yes, very much like a traditional FF.
Riewoldt, don't agree as much. From what I've seen he plays the role he needs to, whatever that is, FF, CHF, WING, much like Pavlich.

Fev waits for the ball to get delievered to him. Roo, if the balls not coming his way, he'll do what he needs to to get more of the pill, not stay at CHF for his teammates to get it to him.

Maybe you should start a new thread. Your preferred young FF?
And then another one. Your preferred young CHF?
And why not create another one. Your preferred young FP (Left and Right Side)?
And lets not forget. Your preferred young HFF (Left and Right Side)?

And if you ever see Gumby in the Goal Square, you need to tell him that is not where he belongs and tell him to get back to his position, at CHF, because everyone has only 1 position, and they HAVE to stay there, naughty Gumby, thinking he is a FF, tsk tsk.
 

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Jono B said:
Hawkins is an FF, Gumbleton is a CHF. You would expect him to have kicked more goals.
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Jono B said:
Really? I would say that there are still players who play very close to the traditional roles. For example Fevola is very close to a traditional FF and Reiwoldt is very close to a traditional CHF.

Hawkins spends a far greater percentage of his time in the forward 50 than Gumbleton so using goals kicked as the sole basis for comparison is quite simplistic.
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I smell a contradiction...
 
Jono B said:
errr no.

My statements were:
- You could expect that a Full Forward would kick more goals than a Centre Half Forward.
- Goals is not the only measure of a forward.

How do these two statements contradict??
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i agree with you on this point, but that isn't what you said.....
and while that is what you might of meant, the internet can't determine what your true meaning is when you write something, so you might want to make your "statements" a bit more clearer.

anyway, from what you wrote, in your summation you say that Hawkins should kick more goals because he is a FF and Gumby a CHF, although i still don't agree that being a FF or CHF has almost any bearing in todays game, especially when considering a preferred young forward, and the fact that we should be seeing them for the next 10 years in many different positions, not just in the 50.

now, when you compared Hawkins and Gumby, your SOLE reason was that he SHOULD KICK MORE GOALS, that kind of emphasies the point that you are contradicting yourself by also saying that "using goals kicked as the sole basis for comparison is quite simplistic."

i do understand what you where trying to say though, you should of just put some more points in there to prove that you were not using goals kicked as your sole reason.
 
From my club: Jack Riewoldt

From another club: Mitch Clarke (Just looks the goods)

In saying this, McKinely has easily shown the most out of all the options
 
alberto_cat said:
Part of it is potential, most of it is from what I have seen in the AFL and VFL.

Gumby has kicked 3.1 from his 5 AFL games.
And he has kicked 17.16 from his 10 VFL games.

Tomahwak has kicked 25.15 from his 19 AFL games.
And he has kicked 47.15 from his 19 VFL games.

So Hawk has kicked 72.30 from his 38 AFL/VFL games and Gumby has kicked 20.17 from his 15 AFL/VFL games.

Not only that, but in only his second game he was getting double and triple teamed.

Now as a preferred young forward goes, I don't see how Gumby could be ahead of Hawkins.
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Who's better, Roughead or Riewolt?
 
Jonesy1987 said:
Who's better, Roughead or Riewolt?
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well since the thread is about your preferred YOUNG forward, i'm going to assume you mean Jack Riewoldt...

given that Roughead has played around 4 times the amount of AFL games as Jack, much like Hawk also playing around 4 times the amount of AFL games as Gumby, in both instances i'd take Roughy and the Hawk...

look, it's quite simple... from the Hawks 19 AFL games (of which i've seen probably 15 of them), i think he is a better prospect as a YOUNG FORWARD as Gumby is from his 5 AFL games (seen him in 2 IIRC)
 
alberto_cat said:
well since the thread is about your preferred YOUNG forward, i'm going to assume you mean Jack Riewoldt...

given that Roughead has played around 4 times the amount of AFL games as Jack, much like Hawk also playing around 4 times the amount of AFL games as Gumby, in both instances i'd take Roughy and the Hawk...

look, it's quite simple... from the Hawks 19 AFL games (of which i've seen probably 15 of them), i think he is a better prospect as a YOUNG FORWARD as Gumby is from his 5 AFL games (seen him in 2 IIRC)
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Actually I did mean Nick, apologies for not making it clearer. My point was Roughead kicks more goals but has nowhere the impact N.Riewolt does on games, regardless of skill level I'd say its a similar comparison to how Hawkins and Gumbleton play. All depends on what you prefer.
 

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Jonesy1987 said:
Actually I did mean Nick, apologies for not making it clearer. My point was Roughead kicks more goals but has nowhere the impact N.Riewolt does on games, regardless of skill level I'd say its a similar comparison to how Hawkins and Gumbleton play. All depends on what you prefer.
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Anyone is going to choose riewolt in that comparison as he's older and has accomplished more than roughead.

Gumbleton hasnt proved he can play like riewoldt yet though, hawkins has shown signs of his potential. So are you saying that you would prefer a Riewolt (gumbleton type) to a lloyd at his peak (full forward type, which hawkins is)?
 
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Really? I would've thought that was Tippets worst part of his game, only averaged 2.3 marks per game this year, hardly good for a KPP.
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No
It's clearly one of the strongest parts of his game. He was top 6 in the league in that stat a third of the way through the season, but dropped off a fair bit once he started getting the opposition's best backman. He's a superb contested mark, and took more last season than everyone on that list except Westhoff, who took 2 more in 2 more games.
The reason he doesn't take many marks overall is because, coming from a basketball background, he's still learning how to read the game and time his leads. Close to half his marks are contested.
Here's a nice example from the NAB cup
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FWIW, I voted for Kennedy, but I'm very happy with Tippett.
 

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