Restricted Free Agent Zak Butters

[ABAB]

There was also a third round 1 in there.

Cameron was also 2 years older (not reducing the fact he’s a gun but few more years of Butters in his prime), trading rules have also changed and we’re seeing greater prices being paid.

and with Tassie, any future picks will be worth significantly less.

So if they offer similar picks 13,15 and 20 whereby 15 and 20 are futures, that becomes around 13,25 and 35, it’s not at all unreasonable to tell them to find a way to improve that. Cats offer that to GWS and they likely say bugger off.

Curnow last year (yes contracted), went for a good 22 player, pick 11 and two F1s. Much more than previous trades whether contracted or not. Asking prices are increasing.

Pick 20 was virtually worth the two 2nd rounders (one of them were Essendon's) going back to Geelong. Clubs will except unders for uncontracted players in the end as the club they chose don't have the picks or players with value wanting to leave. Sydney also gave them Hayward as he was willing to move and Carlton did try to get him as an FA the previous year as clearly the 2027 F1 isn't worth that much value. Worst time for Butters wanting to leave and if he choose the Bulldogs with the draft concession next year and how they are performing this year, potentially pick 14, 30 and 14 and maybe Sanders.

 

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

You're really hell bent on the dogs trading out quality players aren't you. None would want to go to Port and they are all contracted so they don't have to go to any other club.

There is no guarantee where a pick will land within any round either.

Port's trading history shouldn't fill you with much confidence that they are going to hold anyone over a barrel.

I have never said a player has to come to Port. I said the dogs will likely have to get creative if it’s them to improve their hand and that may involve players.

They don’t have to come to us, but they may have to look at packaging up their F1 pick with a player to perceivably move it to a higher pick.

Forward the improved draft hand onto us.

Trading futures is always a somewhat unknown but especially with Butters, you can assume the Dogs f1 will be very late. So, find a way to improve it.

Can’t just say you want a top 5 player in the league but not make any attempts to improve your hand if it’s a poor one.

I’m more than confident you would have some players on your list who would be open to moving or especially if they are given the heads up that they may not be in the Dogs plans, example Steele being pushed out. Grundy pushed out from the Pies. Alone a player like Steele isn’t worth much but packages with a F1 for a swap, you can improve your likely hand.

 

[Doggy]

I have never said a player has to come to Port. I said the dogs will likely have to get creative if it’s them to improve their hand and that may involve players.

They don’t have to come to us, but they may have to look at packaging up their F1 pick with a player to perceivably move it to a higher pick.

Forward the improved draft hand onto us.

Trading futures is always a somewhat unknown but especially with Butters, you can assume the Dogs f1 will be very late. So, find a way to improve it.

Can’t just say you want a top 5 player in the league but not make any attempts to improve your hand if it’s a poor one.

I’m more than confident you would have some players on your list who would be open to moving or especially if they are given the heads up that they may not be in the Dogs plans, example Steele being pushed out. Grundy pushed out from the Pies. Alone a player like Steele isn’t worth much but packages with a F1 for a swap, you can improve your likely hand.

Lachie McNeil to Port confirmed

 

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

Lachie McNeil to Port confirmed

If only we had you in the negotiating room for NAS last year.

We could have just put up the almighty offer of 2 second rounders (equivalent of the F1), and said we need to keep our F1 for Douggie and no players want to move and we don’t have anything better.

Tough luck he’s OOC so take what you get with the seconds.

Jeez he’d look good in our colours right now.

 

[Doggy]

If only we had you in the negotiating room for NAS last year.

We could have just put up the almighty offer of 2 second rounders (equivalent of the F1), and said we need to keep our F1 for Douggie and no players want to move and we don’t have anything better.

Tough luck he’s OOC so take what you get with the seconds.

Jeez he’d look good in our colours right now.

He is better off at the Saints.

Weren't Port supporters advocating for Bergman and the Saints hand over NWM and change?

 

[Daka]

The word is he is absolutely no chance to stay at Port Adelaide.
At least he saw out his full contract & gave good service.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

We saw this exact discourse all back half of last year when it was re: NAS

The last thing the AFL will let happen is have an OOC top 5 player forced into the draft. They’ll magic up a way to get Butters to Victoria if he wants it that badly.

The fanciful thinking is Port thinking they have the power, Butters has all the power. And frankly I hate it, I think it is one of the worst parts of the game, but it’s definitely the case. The only reason Merrett didn’t move last year is because he had a year left on his deal.

2 years actually.

 

[jackag24]

Vic media already have Butters in the bulldogs 2027 lineup lol ****ing w***ers

 

[Pencil case]

Dogs thinking they’ll get him for a first this year (likely late 15+), a F1 which likely becomes 25-30+ and another in that range is just fanciful stuff.

That’s all Dogs will have to trade. Once he nominates the Dogs it’ll get done, that’s just how these trades always go when a player is out of contract. It really is poor timing for Port with Tassie coming in, but there’s nothing anyone can really do about it apart from backing in the recruiting staff with 3 mid-late firsts.

 

[jackag24]

That’s all Dogs will have to trade. Once he nominates the Dogs it’ll get done, that’s just how these trades always go when a player is out of contract. It really is poor timing for Port with Tassie coming in, but there’s nothing anyone can really do about it apart from backing in the recruiting staff with 3 mid-late firsts.

Dogs have one of the best lists in the comp, and plenty of young talent to burn in that list.

The dogs will likely have to move on some players in order to get additional picks or trade up to higher picks

 

[Pencil case]

I mean….there’s been a fair few Dogs posters basically saying Port will accept crap and like it.

If he’s going to nominate one of the top VIC clubs the Dogs are the ones I’d want it to be because they are more likely to not make it a drawn out nightmare despite the BigFooty posters opinions.

Are three firsts and maybe some steak knives really that crap? That’s about what Geelong paid for Cameron, maybe even more.

 

[Bald Headed Flog]

Vic media already have Butters in the bulldogs 2027 lineup lol ****ing w***ers
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You just straight up did not listen to one second of that did you?

Twomey and Beveridge were discussing how clubs will present a future view of teams to the player they are courting. So they presented this lineup as the likely team the Dogs will have presented to Butters to try convince him to come on board.

 

[jackag24]

You just straight up did not listen to one second of that did you?

Twomey and Beveridge were discussing how clubs will present a future view of teams to the player they are courting. So they presented this lineup as the likely team the Dogs will have presented to Butters to try convince him to come on board.

So what part that i said was wrong? It's the bulldogs 2027 lineup with Butters in it

 

[Pencil case]

Lachie McNeil to Port confirmed

McNeil, Vandermeer, Busslinger. There’s a few decent options there as a sweetener.

If port really wanted someone like Sanders, they’d be forfeiting the first round picks instead. He’s not a sweetener, he’d be the main course. Not that there’s any chance of him leaving however.

 

[jackag24]

Are three firsts and maybe some steak knives really that crap? That’s about what Geelong paid for Cameron, maybe even more.

Yes they are crap. Cal Twomey said that in the segment too, that it's not enough

 

[Bald Headed Flog]

That’s all Dogs will have to trade. Once he nominates the Dogs it’ll get done, that’s just how these trades always go when a player is out of contract. It really is poor timing for Port with Tassie coming in, but there’s nothing anyone can really do about it apart from backing in the recruiting staff with 3 mid-late firsts.

Ideally Port finish rock bottom and the AFL doesn't change the compo rules so we can get him for free. But realistically, that's not happening.

I'd be willing to deal one of Freijah or Sanders to Port if that's what it took to get Butters, given their opportunities would be impacted by the recruitment anyway. So <Player> + 2026 1st for example

We may need to be conscious of how many picks we're giving up to begin with depending on how our NGA and FS players are rated. At this stage, it looks like we'll be needing a not-insignificant haul of picks to match our own.

 

[ABAB]

That’s all Dogs will have to trade. Once he nominates the Dogs it’ll get done, that’s just how these trades always go when a player is out of contract. It really is poor timing for Port with Tassie coming in, but there’s nothing anyone can really do about it apart from backing in the recruiting staff with 3 mid-late firsts.

That 2027 1st rounder won't be a mid to late 1st rounder, it will be pick 30.

 

[Rash]

ahahahaahah if this was a player at a vic club who wants to come to port, the trade would be viewed as totaly different.

 

[jackag24]

McNeil, Vandermeer, Busslinger. There’s a few decent options there as a sweetener.

If port really wanted someone like Sanders, they’d be forfeiting the first round picks instead. He’s not a sweetener, he’d be the main course. Not that there’s any chance of him leaving however.

So in a deal with Zak Butters and Sanders... Sanders is the main course..

This is what we're dealing with here.

You want to get in a top 5 mid in the comp and you're not even willing to include a midfielder who can't even break into your midfield, and wait till you get butters, he'd be playing 2s

 

[Pencil case]

Yes they are crap. Cal Twomey said that in the segment too, that it's not enough

Honestly, anything more than that and you’d just back him in to getting to the club via the draft.

So in a deal with Zak Butters and Sanders... Sanders is the main course..

This is what we're dealing with here.

You want to get in a top 5 mid in the comp and you're not even willing to include a midfielder who can't even break into your midfield, and wait till you get butters, he'd be playing 2s

i meant Sanders + a first and second, rather than 3 firsts + Sanders.

 

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

Imagine just for a moment that the situation was reversed and Bont wanted out and we put up the offer being suggested by Dogs members here as a take it or leave it, that’s what we got.

We’d be an absolute laughing stock to the league and laughed out of every room we showed our face.

 

[Bald Headed Flog]

That 2027 1st rounder won't be a mid to late 1st rounder, it will be pick 30.

I'd be curious what kind of modelling clubs have done on the draft for 2027 and 2028. In 2027, there are 7 picks being created for Tassie, with 4 of them needing to be traded. But with the changes to bid matching for academies and father sons, we're likely to see some number of 1st round picks being evaporated by bids. So if we get another Ashcroft for example, it's not pushing all the 1st round picks back one spot, it's actually consuming a couple of 1st round picks in the process, meaning a slight shift back in earlier picks, but the later 1st round picks would actually be coming in one spot. And if a club can't afford to match at all, then nothing gets shifted.

Then in 2028 and 2029, they are "only" being given 2 extra picks (5 and 9), so it's only really 2027 that should see picks slide back much.

Impossible to really determine where these picks all land, but I won't be surprised if the 1st round of the draft actually ends earlier than the point it has been for the last couple years. So Pick 15 might be pushed out to 22 by the Tassie picks, but once bids have been matched this might actually end up as something like Pick 20, instead of the likely Pick 26+ it would have been in previous years.

Obviously future picks will naturally be less valuable because of the uncertainty around all of this, but the bid matching means it shouldn't be as bad we might initially think.

 

[KanesBurner]

Are three firsts and maybe some steak knives really that crap? That’s about what Geelong paid for Cameron, maybe even more.

It’s the point I’ve been trying to make repeatedly in this thread that doesn’t seem to be getting through.

If you got 3 first somehow this year, then absolutely it’ll get done, it’s too much for Port to walk away from.

But Dogs fans (not specifically you) seem to either not care because it refutes their position or just don’t think they need to pay anything but there’s expansion drafts coming. Future 1sts are junk stocks and hold very little value especially if the Dogs are adding Butters to their current team. It’s not a F1 it’s an F2 in reality where the pick will be. I believe the GC expansion draft the first round was 25 picks and that was without them being as compromised.

 

[Doggy]

It’s the point I’ve been trying to make repeatedly in this thread that doesn’t seem to be getting through.

If you got 3 first somehow this year, then absolutely it’ll get done, it’s too much for Port to walk away from.

But Dogs fans (not specifically you) seem to either not care because it refutes their position or just don’t think they need to pay anything but there’s expansion drafts coming. Future 1sts are junk stocks and hold very little value especially if the Dogs are adding Butters to their current team. It’s not a F1 it’s an F2 in reality where the pick will be. I believe the GC expansion draft the first round was 25 picks and that was without them being as compromised.

In reality, nothing anyone says from behind a keyboard on BigFooty is going to do anything.

IF Zak wanted to get to the dogs one way or another it would get done by the powers that be and everyone can teeth gnash after

 

[Eric Shin]

Butters to Collingwood confirmed