Will Australia be forced to change its flag in 2014 if Scotland votes yes?

[Sanders]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...-likely-choose-independence-foreign-diplomats



But, but, but in Guido's comments!

medusala

So the guardian has a second random, unverified, anonymous "source"?

My only question is why only two? If you're gonna play that card, why stop there - why not 7, 8 or even 10?

They can all get together with your constitutional law advisors and have a jolly old tea party

 

[medusala]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...-likely-choose-independence-foreign-diplomats

The Guardian cant grasp the obvious re monetary union (nor can most Euro diplomats - see EUR folly). Everyone in the City can. It doesn't take a genius. Reckon yes vote every chance, Tories starting to brief press that Disco vote have to resign if the vote gets up. Cant wait. It will be a better result than the Pies losing the GF by a point.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...rigger-mass-exodus-of-financial-services.html

In a speech on Wednesday night, Douglas McWilliams, the founder of the CEBR, will say that between 20,000 and 40,000 jobs will move to England if Scotland breaks away, as many of them depend on customers in the rest of the UK.

"The experience of the euro means that it is highly unlikely that there will be a banking union if Scotland is independent," Mr McWilliams told the Telegraph on Tuesday night. "Without that, most of the Scottish financial services economy will migrate to England where their customers are. This is potentially a huge boost to the City of London

Drawing parallels with Ireland, which voted to leave the UK in the 1920s, Mr McWilliams will say that an independent Scotland is likely to "learn about economics the hard way".
"Many Scots seem to think they are not voting for independence from the rest of the UK but for independence from the laws of economics which they seem to think have been imposed on them by the English. Unfortunately for those who think this, the laws of economics are not subject to referenda and will continue to exist beyond Scottish independence when it occurs," he will say.

While Mr McWilliams will tell an audience at the Gresham Professorial Lecture in London that Scottish independence looks "very likely" because patriotism will trump the "laws of economics", he will warn that Scotland faces an economic "slump" as it deals with "the knock on effect of the damage to some of its key sectors like financial services

 

[Sanders]

Oh I do hope yes gets up.

Still think no in a landslide, because voter apathy is so high in Scotland that the idiotic gobshites won't turn up to the polls

 

[The_Reaper]

What would happen to the rest of the UK if Scotland voted yes?

How would if effect Northern Ireland?

 

[tandino]

What would happen to the rest of the UK if Scotland voted yes?

How would if effect Northern Ireland?

The Welsh know what side their bread is buttered, there is a strong undercurrent of nationalism amongst a minority of the population, but most accept the economic reality that they are subsidised by London and the Home Counties.

 

[medusala]

What would happen to the rest of the UK if Scotland voted yes?

Celebration in London. Reckon tandino is spot on re Welsh. Pity, be nice to see them go too.

 

[MaddAdam]

Celebration in London. Reckon tandino is spot on re Welsh. Pity, be nice to see them go too.

In very small areas of Fleet Street. Cwertainly not in Whitehall or the City.

 

[MaddAdam]

I reckon Murdoch is going to back independence.

Reasons:

* Despises Cameron. Cameron losing referendum fatally weakens him.

* If Scots referendum gets up, then will empower English to vote out of EU in their referendum. One that Johnson, who will replace Cameron, will make cornerstone of his campaign for Tory leadership.

* Scottish Sun went from having SNP yellow noose on front page for 2007 elex to lukewarm support in 2010. Since then been noticeably neutral in what is fevered debate. A "Vote Yes" splash in September would massively aid the Yes strategy of getting the schemes out.

* Murdoch and Salmond have decent personal relationship. Murdoch known to admire Salmond as having done "real world" stuff before politics. Also knowsw that Salmond canny enough to know how big game is played.

* Murdoch despises the "old" British establishment that sees Scotland not as partner un union, but vassal state.

* Murdoch remains very proud of hid Scottish heritage, and while his media empire has relied on a base emotional appeal to English working class audience - "Our Boys" in Helmand etc - his disdain and open attacks on the actually framework of the British state, see his campaign against the royals, betrays true views.

* Murdoch also understands huge opportunities in indy Scotland re media. Basically, they will write ownership laws from scratch. Knows Scotland will have lower corp tax rates as well.

* Pro indy stance would play hugely well in US market.

 

[MaddAdam]

The Welsh know what side their bread is buttered, there is a strong undercurrent of nationalism amongst a minority of the population, but most accept the economic reality that they are subsidised by London and the Home Counties.

Even the WElsh Nationalist party Plaid Cymru doesn't want full independence.

 

[MaddAdam]

Oh I do hope yes gets up.

Still think no in a landslide, because voter apathy is so high in Scotland that the idiotic gobshites won't turn up to the polls

Every YES voter will. It is the NO side who will struggle to get their vote out.

And YES, via the SNP, has world standard tech on voter management and getting ghem out.

YES has a huge advantage in the ground game.

 

[Sanders]

Every YES voter will. It is the NO side who will struggle to get their vote out.

And YES, via the SNP, has world standard tech on voter management and getting ghem out.

YES has a huge advantage in the ground game.

So you keep saying. Have you convinced yourself yet?

 

[MaddAdam]

So you keep saying. Have you convinced yourself yet?

As I keep saying, if I had to put the house on it, I'd say NO.

But t will be a lot closer than people think and YES certainly has the momentum now.

 

[Slax]

What would happen to the rest of the UK if Scotland voted yes?

How would if effect Northern Ireland?

London may decide to set Northern Ireland free, would sure help the budget deficit and definitely make life easier at Whitehall

 

[Sanders]

As I keep saying, if I had to put the house on it, I'd say NO.

But t will be a lot closer than people think and YES certainly has the momentum now.

Why don't you put the house on it? All talk..?

Moody's dropping the credit rating like a stone if it happens I see

 

[telsor]

London may decide to set Northern Ireland free, would sure help the budget deficit and definitely make life easier at Whitehall

After all those years fighting for it?

It's would be extremely 'courageous' politically. Akin to handing the Falklands over to Argentina.

 

[Slax]

After all those years fighting for it?

It's would be extremely 'courageous' politically. Akin to handing the Falklands over to Argentina.

Falklands has always had far more to offer than Northern Ireland, just England got stuck have to protect the protestant population against the Irish out of fear they might treat them the way the English treated the Irish for a couple of centuries

 

[telsor]

Falklands has always had far more to offer than Northern Ireland, just England got stuck have to protect the protestant population against the Irish out of fear they might treat them the way the English treated the Irish for a couple of centuries

Stuck is a good word for it.

Regardless, leaving is...unlikely.

 

[MaddAdam]

London may decide to set Northern Ireland free, would sure help the budget deficit and definitely make life easier at Whitehall

Will never happen.

 

[MaddAdam]

Falklands has always had far more to offer than Northern Ireland, just England got stuck have to protect the protestant population against the Irish out of fear they might treat them the way the English treated the Irish for a couple of centuries

Actually, the British first intervened militarily in NI in 1969 to protect Catholic civilians from organised ethnic cleansing by the Protestants.

 

[Slax]

Will never happen.

Doesn't mean that Whitehall wouldn't like it to happen though

 

[Tassieboy]

I feel so proud of our British blue ensyme. So Australian.

 

[Illinois Nazi]

I feel so proud of our British blue ensyme. So Australian.

I feel so proud of our education system.

The word you are looking for is ensign.

 

[medusala]

Will never happen.

Not so sure. Ulster and Scotland have far more in common than Ulster and England. Interesting question though. Neither side has any real interest in maintaining it. I have heard in the past the Poms have considered it, the issue was whether the IRA with Irish backing would effectively take over (or try to).

 

[tandino]

Doesn't mean that Whitehall wouldn't like it to happen though

No surprises there though.

Tried to dispense of the Falklands and Gibraltar in the past. I don't even think the Midlands are safe.

 

[medusala]

Tried to dispense of the Falklands and Gibraltar in the past.

???? You sure re Gibraltar (let alone Falklands)? The Poms have long told the cow stabbers to get stuffed for a variety of reasons not least the Royal Navy.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...t-take-their-hands-off-Gibraltars-throat.html

Remember what the Queen said in 1981, when Charles and Diana went on their honeymoon cruise to Gibraltar, on the royal yacht Britannia. The Spanish protested, and so she phoned King Juan Carlos. As she later confided to the Privy council, she told him: “It’s my yacht, my son, and my Rock.” That’s the spirit.