Will Australia be forced to change its flag in 2014 if Scotland votes yes?

[Power Raid]

Yes, and what was the end result of that?

Australia's constitution basically makes what is happening in the UK utterly impossible. Not having a constitution themselves, they can just make that s**t up as they go along.

what happened? The vote was rigged by victorian unions stacking the vote by mobilising people to cross the border and then put in a submission that Kal get excised out of WA of WA left the commonwealth.

It was believed that the queen would consider over ruling the constitution in the case it was the will of the people. I believe that would be the logical process if it were to happen again in the future.

 

[medusala]

Shits me with Western Australians whinging about having to pay a bit of tax.

It shits the Poms that they have massively subsidised the Scots for centuries years and they whine on a far greater scale than the Sand Gropers.

 

[Power Raid]

Those divides have been there a long time. Shits me with Western Australians whinging about having to pay a bit of tax.

It was Melbourne, the true economic, political and cultural capital of the nation for the vast majority of the time, that funded their dusty shithole for decades before the mining boom.

It is more than dollars. We have a very different culture as we are still a developing state where Victoria is one that is matured. So we have very different problems and as such we have very different solutions.

Not to mention we are genetically superior over here

 

[The Speaker]

Yes, and what was the end result of that?

Australia's constitution basically makes what is happening in the UK utterly impossible. Not having a constitution themselves, they can just make that s**t up as they go along.

Power Raid mentioned a vote.

He never said anything actually seceding. We have voted.

 

[MaddAdam]

what happened? The vote was rigged by victorian unions stacking the vote by mobilising people to cross the border and then put in a submission that Kal get excised out of WA of WA left the commonwealth.

It was believed that the queen would consider over ruling the constitution in the case it was the will of the people. I believe that would be the logical process if it were to happen again in the future.

Well, that's impossible now as the Australia Act prevents the Queen from doing anything of the sort.

As it stands, WA would need to get a majority of people in a majority of states to agree to them leaving.

 

[MaddAdam]

Power Raid mentioned a vote.

He never said anything actually seceding. We have voted.

It was never a formally agreed and legal vote, as the Scottish one is.

 

[MaddAdam]

It shits the Poms that they have massively subsidised the Scots for centuries years and they whine on a far greater scale than the Sand Gropers.

Yes, but we know that's bullshit meds. Repeating it again and again doesn't make it true.

 

[MaddAdam]

It is more than dollars. We have a very different culture as we are still a developing state where Victoria is one that is matured. So we have very different problems and as such we have very different solutions.

Not to mention we are genetically superior over here

"Very different culture". Jesus and his mother. How is the exactly? I mean, this is not the Ukraine we are talking about where half the people speak a different language to the others.

 

[The Speaker]

Well, that's impossible now as the Australia Act prevents the Queen from doing anything of the sort.

As it stands, WA would need to get a majority of people in a majority of states to agree to them leaving.

If it ever hypothetically came down to it (it won't), and we were out on the streets every day demanding to secede, do you think Australia would say no?

 

[MaddAdam]

If it ever hypothetically came down to it (it won't), and we were out on the streets every day demanding to secede, do you think Australia would say no?

I certainly do and the Federal government would never let it happen.

 

[clogged]

If it ever hypothetically came down to it (it won't), and we were out on the streets every day demanding to secede, do you think Australia would say no?

Yes. Nations are rarely fond of separatism and devolution.

 

[The Speaker]

I certainly do and the Federal government would never let it happen.

And how do you think the international community would respond?

 

[clogged]

And how do you think the international community would respond?

The same as they have over Tibet, West Papua, Xinjiang, the Basques, etc.

 

[MaddAdam]

And how do you think the international community would respond?

The international community wouldn't give two tinker's tugs.

 

[MaddAdam]

If the international community is happy to sit by and watch a thousand Syrians a day getting slaughtered, why would they care about some rich Australians squabbling with other rich Australians about how to carve up the pie?

 

[The Speaker]

If the international community is happy to sit by and watch a thousand Syrians a day getting slaughtered, why would they care about some rich Australians squabbling with other rich Australians about how to carve up the pie?

I would argue they are more likely to care the closer aligned they are to the country in question.

In any case it's all pie in the sky stuff. If you asked most Western Australians I'd say the majority would prefer to stay a part of Australia, forever the reluctant state. Although I wouldn't be surprised at a states rights movement popping up in WA sometime in the future.

 

[Sanders]

Umm, yeah, the UK has no formal written constitution like we do, or the Americans do.

You might want to check your facts before you pay out.

Oh dear

You don't know much about this constitutional law thingy do you?

I'll leave you to figure out where you went wrong on your own.

 

[clogged]

I would argue they are more likely to care the closer aligned they are to the country in question.

Do the Yanks care about the Quebecois?

 

[medusala]

If the international community is happy to sit by and watch a thousand Syrians a day getting slaughtered, why would they care about some rich Australians squabbling with other rich Australians about how to carve up the pie?

Chinese may have some interest in the outcome.

Do the Yanks care about the Quebecois?

Even the French don't care about them. They make the Scots look a) generous and b) grateful.

 

[Power Raid]

The international community wouldn't give two tinker's tugs.

don't forget between Qld, NT and WA we would have the bigger military force.

 

[clogged]

Even the French don't care about them. They make the Scots look a) generous and b) grateful.

Even fewer in the international community care about Western Australians

 

[Power Raid]

Umm, yeah, the UK has no formal written constitution like we do, or the Americans do.

You might want to check your facts before you pay out.

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/constitution-unit/whatis/uk-constitution

In all but a handful of democracies in the world, the nation's constitution can be found in a single document. The exceptions are Israel, New Zealand and the United Kingdom.

As a result, people sometimes say that we in Britain do not have a constitution. It is true that there is no enacted document in which the constitution can be found (unlike the Republic of Ireland, for example, or the United States).

It is also true that we do not have 'constitutional' laws - laws of fundamental importance that can only be changed through some special legislative procedure. Thus the Bill of Rights 1689 could easily be amended in 1996 so that the former MP Neil Hamilton could pursue his libel action against the Guardian.

An 'unwritten constitution'?

But the United Kingdom does have a constitution; it is just a little hard to track down. People frequently say we have an 'unwritten constitution' in the United Kingdom. Professor Vernon Bogdanor of Oxford University dismisses this as a 'misleading platitude'.

As he explains, much of our constitution is to be found in written documents or statutes such as Magna Carta, the Bill of Rights, the Act of Settlement and the Parliament Acts. There will soon be other documents on this distinguished list, as explained in the section on new constitutional measures.

Professor Bogdanor prefers to call Britain's constitution historic. By that he means it has evolved over the years, the product of historical development rather than deliberate design. But 'historic' does not mean 'old-fashioned'. Our constitution is evolving so quickly at present that only an on-line version of it can be entirely up to date.

 

[Power Raid]

Even fewer in the international community care about Western Australians

that is until the Chinese step up to protect their iron ore and gas

 

[MaddAdam]

Oh dear

You don't know much about this constitutional law thingy do you?

I'll leave you to figure out where you went wrong on your own.

No, you're wrong. The Brits have no written constitution like us.

They pretend to have one, but they don't, and for the purposes of this argument, the point is jejune.

Australia has a written constitution that describes how constitutional change such as WA wanting to secede must be acrried out.

The Brits don't, hence why Salmond and Cameron negotiated the "Edinburgh Agreement".

 

[MaddAdam]

that is until the Chinese step up to protect their iron ore and gas

And the Americans step in to prevent this, and to protect their very valuable military assets there.