So was O'Meara, point is generation seem to be about 2 years these days
I would take 7 and 10, No1 isn't a sure thing and neither is 7 & 10 but you would expect both would make your best 18.
Draft picks - 1 Vs 7 & 10
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I would take 7 and 10, No1 isn't a sure thing and neither is 7 & 10 but you would expect both would make your best 18.
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Yes, I agree. Richmond also do quite well when it comes to player development.
We've been very ordinary at developing players until recently, and I've always wondered how Tambling would've faired had he landed at a club like Geelong or Sydney. Hawthorn's another club that has an excellent development program. High draft picks are a start but clubs then need to invest in developing raw talent.Yes, I agree. Richmond also do quite well when it comes to player development.
No he hasnt
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Pretty much has been. Has kicked over 60 in two seasons of TAC football as a midfielder/forward. One last years prelim off his own boot.
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For Essendon this season I'd take 7 and 10, get someone like Durdin at 7 and hopefully a mid like Duggan at 10.
Pretty much this. Take pick 1 unless you're Melbourne.
Steele Sidebottom kicked 10 in a TAC GF from the midfield.
Dyson Heppell had 40 odd and singlehandedly won a TAC Prelim.
David Rodan won back to back Morrish Medals.
Petracca might be good, he might even be better than the above 3 named players but he's not being labelled a once in a generation player and wasn't even considered the no.1 pick 6 months ago.
Bout sums it up perfectly
This. Bigfooty always overvalues draft position. Smart recruiting, development, coaching staff and team spirit/belief are as or more important.
Melbourne burned draft picks because they were/are lacking in most of these areas. Carlton's development has been iffy and early round recruiting (under Wayne Hughes at least) has been dumb as hell. We see a player who is clearly elite in one area (Hampson's athleticism, Lucas' and Yarran's speed, Watson's kicking, etc. etc.) and it blinds us to their deficiencies.
Clubs like Hawthorn, Geelong and Sydney get most of the aforementioned right. New players are instilled with a strong work ethic and know they have a good team around them to soak up mistakes. They don't have their confidence shattered by playing in blowout losses.
Picks #7 + #10 would probably be burned by a club entrenched in the bottom six. A club in the top six would be more likely to turn them into two solid, 150+ game players.
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He has tested at the elite level in most levels at draft camp. Won the Carnival MVP, kicked 60 at just under 3 a game at TAC Level as a mid field forward and took 9 contested marks in the Prelim as a bottom age player.
Serious question. Would you be spruiking him as highly if the Saints weren't the worst performed team in the comp and the recipients of the no.1 draft pick?
Jack Watts tested elite at most things as well in his draft year and won the Larke Medal. Ask Melbourne fans about his "once-in-a generation" status.
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He wasnt rated a once in a generation lets not keep dragging up Scully and Watts.
Neither was Petracca, at least not in the true sense. In the last few years we've had Daniher & Boyd referred to as once in a generation players. Add Petracca in and that's at least 3 in a 3 years, let alone a generation. Given that a generation is ballpark 20 years, they're gonna need to be better than Ablett Jr/Judd/Cox/Goodes/Hird/Franklin to be the once in a generation player since Carey/Ablett Sr/Lockett/Dunstall.
It's hyperbole at best and delusion at worst to call him a once in a generation player.
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Was being the key word. Pettracca has blown the field away. When was the last midfielder to come out of the TAC with his goal scoring ability?
Jake Stringer?
Look, Petracca might be the best player in history but odds are he won't and to suggest he's a generational talent because he can play 2 positions is ridiculous. You're adding a fair whack of mayo, he wasn't a mid-fwd anyway. He was a fwd who moved into the middle this year and rested fwd.
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Is it because he is unavailable to you that your down playing his performances?
No, I really don't care about that at all. We got our once in a generation player a couple of years back and another pretty handy one with pick 8 a couple of years before.
I just don't see the point in speaking as if he's already the greatest player in the history of the game. He might be a Leigh Matthews/GAJ hybrid. He might be Colin Sylvia mk II. Don't set the bar too high and you won't be disappointed.
Wish the kid well but all we are saying is that no credible drafting expert or recruiter has suggested he's a once in a generation player. As stated earlier he wasn't even the considered the certain no.1 pick a few months ago.
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Neither is Petracca outside of St Kilda fans.
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Only reason he wasnt going to be is if someone was desperate for a key forward but even then best available and thats clearly Pettracca.
This thread lacks some historical analysis.
Year - Pick 1 vs Pick 7 and Pick 10
2000 - Nick Riewoldt vs Laurence Angwin and Jordan McMahon
2001 - Luke Hodge vs David Hale and Sam Power
2002 - Brendan Goddard vs Andrew Mackie and Jason Laycock
2003 - Adam Cooney vs Kane Tenace and Ryley Dunn
2004 - Brett Deledio vs Jordan Lewis and Chris Egan
2005 - Marc Murphy vs Patrick Ryder and Marcus Drum
2006 - Bryce Gibbs vs Joel Selwood and Nathan Brown
2007 - Matthew Kreuzer vs Rhys Palmer and Patrick Dangerfield
2008 - Jack Watts vs Daniel Rich and Phil Davis
2009 - Tom Scully vs Brad Sheppard and Jake Melksham
2010 - David Swallow vs Josh Caddy and Daniel Gorringe
I think Pick 1 wins most of those years.
Year - Pick 1 vs Pick 7 and Pick 10
2000 - Nick Riewoldt vs Laurence Angwin and Jordan McMahon
2001 - Luke Hodge vs David Hale and Sam Power
2002 - Brendan Goddard vs Andrew Mackie and Jason Laycock
2003 - Adam Cooney vs Kane Tenace and Ryley Dunn
2004 - Brett Deledio vs Jordan Lewis and Chris Egan
2005 - Marc Murphy vs Patrick Ryder and Marcus Drum
2006 - Bryce Gibbs vs Joel Selwood and Nathan Brown
2007 - Matthew Kreuzer vs Rhys Palmer and Patrick Dangerfield
2008 - Jack Watts vs Daniel Rich and Phil Davis
2009 - Tom Scully vs Brad Sheppard and Jake Melksham
2010 - David Swallow vs Josh Caddy and Daniel Gorringe
I think Pick 1 wins most of those years.
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Good post.
You look at the 2000 draft, Riewoldt is a clear stand out. I look at Laurence Angwin and I think to myself, who the hell is this guy? Cleary pick 1 was the better choice in most of those draft, but there was also some gems beyond pick 1. These days clubs generally don't bugger up the single digit picks. Even though this is just hypothetical, I think every potential top 10 in a draft has to be judged on it's own merits.
If this question was asked 10 years ago, 99% of people would vote/say pick 1 over picks 7&10.
