- May 27, 2010
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Hi Vicky Park
I was looking forward to this.
I was looking forward to this.
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Bucks has been pretty honest with this one, he got a corked calf, that has all but been confirmed now. For anyone else that would have meant 3-4 days of treatment with no training and then almost a certain return at the same level the next weekend.
As Bucks said though, a corked calf for Ben Reid is now different to a corked calf for anyone else.
Good chance he returns to training mid week and plays VFL next weekend, decent chance he's playing at Whitten Oval next Saturday, if even only for a half.
It does set him back 2-3 weeks at least though in terms of senior selection.
Now that Ben Reid hasn't been named in the VFL team, can we all agree that Ben Reid is in fact ''injured" and that my discussion thread can stay open?
Hi Vicky Park
I was looking forward to this.
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So, are we to believe that he is seriously injured again or is this a serious issue. You previously mentioned that his last "corkie" saw him miss 4-5 weeks so is that what we are expecting here. If he's back next week in VFL is this still a serious issue?
We all know Reid has experienced injuries over the last 18 months but prior to this guy played 77 games in four season which is a pretty good return. Now Nathan Brown has played only 95 games in 7 seasons, and he seems to be traveling pretty well now.
What do we do with him? Well, call me naive, but I'm sure that one of and if not the biggest sporting club in Australia has some pretty good medical/physio connections that would be providing good advice. We are cautious, and why not. We are traveling pretty well and for a team that may be looking at playing finals in 10 weeks or so, managing Reid so he is at his best come that time would be paramount. He'll need to play a few games obviously in the lead up and I'm not worried that he won't.
I'm not sure I see any benefit in the club withholding information from us. He'll always be a week by week case but why would the club not just come out and say he won't be ready for x number of weeks if he wasn't right.
His brother is pretty similar also isn't he, had his fair share of soft tissue injuries.
James Hird had ongoing soft tissue injuries and it's widely known that Kevin Sheedy was concerned about him continually pulling up lame around the same time each year in his early playing career. I'm glad they stuck with him and I'm 100% positive that the Bombers faithful persevered. Reid is only 26. He has some good years of football left and the club knows this. They will be managing him accordingly and whilst it's sad to not see him out there in either AFL or VFL this week, I for one am still confident we'll see him playing before finals.
Agree.Don't close threads needlessly and it won't be a problem.
So what do we do? What are your thoughts here. What's your inside your word regarding his chronic soft tissue injury. So am I right in saying his injury isn't serious and he should be back next week at VFL and playing AFL soon after that? I'm just trying to get my head over what it is you're saying or asking. I'm not in the clubs inner sanctum and have no medical experience with soft tissue injuries so I'm reliant on the professionalism of the club to do what's best for Reid and Collingwood. Is there something else we should be doing?Having chronic soft tissue injuries is serious. The individual injury itself isn't. I've explained this to you about 10 times now.
Nathan Brown never had soft tissue injuries. He had injuries to shoulders, knees etc. Poor example.
James Hird's soft tissue injuries do not compare to what Ben Reid has gone through the last two years. Hird's major issues were his feet which he overcame.
And changing the thread title to possible injury? He IS injured as he is not playing VFL. You don't miss the weekend's games if you are fully fit and uninjured. Time to get your head out of the sand.
I'm just wondering if we need to take an extra cautious, extra long term approach to this to the point where we rule him out for the year. This injury isn't serious. Yes, he should play vfl next week. But every week, we are going to be waiting until the next issue appears as soon as he exerts himself.So what do we do? What are your thoughts here. What's your inside your word regarding his chronic soft tissue injury. So am I right in saying his injury isn't serious and he should be back next week at VFL and playing AFL soon after that? I'm just trying to get my head over what it is you're saying or asking. I'm not in the clubs inner sanctum and have no medical experience with soft tissue injuries so I'm reliant on the professionalism of the club to do what's best for Reid and Collingwood. Is there something else we should be doing?
The facts that we know are that Reid has suffered from a number of soft tissue injuries. He was sent over to Germany for treatment on the advice from specialists and has improved to the point where he played 3/4 of VFL last week. unless there has been something else published, Reid suffered a cork injury to his calf last week and was given every opportunity to get up for this weekends VFL game. He didn't. We can speculate and put 2 and 2 together all we want but it's as hypothetical as Dangerfield coming to Collingwood next season.
Does he have a serious injury? Will he be required to be managed? You've asked a number of questions but unless you're imbedded in the club and treating Reid I don't understand how anyone can answer them.
Let me try this.
What do we do with him? Give him every opportunity to get up for VFL next week to overcome his "cork" and play him for a full game
His body clearly is failing him at the moment and there must be an underlying issue. Do we write off the year for him and send him back to Germany? What's his injury, for a corkie? He may be playing VFL next week though so do we need to send him to Germany, let's wait on this?
Are there any other novel treatments that we can use to try and get him right? No idea. I googled novel treatments for chronic soft tissue injuries and found this from 2000 'Some novel treatments recently investigated, including low intensity laser irradiation and extracorporeal shock wave lithotripsy' so I'm all for the LASER
Have the club been able to identify the cause of these injuries or is it not possible to do so? No idea on this sorry, you'll have to ask the club.
3rd time lucky for this thread ?
Don't we have an injury thread for our players ?
But what can you do? If a guy is suffering from chronic soft tissue injuries he has no trade value then does he? I see no point in delisting him, he has too much potential IMO and is crucial to our structure. We can develop guys like Moore in the meantime and if when he shows he is capable of holding down a Ben Reid position, then we can look at options like cutting him I guess. Just no point yet IMO.As soon as he was ruled out of the AFL line up he was long odds of playing at the lower level. I'm one to talk down Reid's fitness and find it worrysome that some still consider him to be a viable option long term, however my understanding is that he won't lose conditioning from this and will likely play a full match at VFL level next week then be in contention v West Coast...
But what can you do? If a guy is suffering from chronic soft tissue injuries he has no trade value then does he?
Normally I would consider a post like this to be OTT or a huge over reaction. However in this case I have to agree. The slightest touch or slightest over exertion and he is out for 3 to 5 weeks. And I am getting a little tired of the club saying "minor". He basically hasn't played for 1 and a half seasons due to minor injuries.
But what can you do? If a guy is suffering from chronic soft tissue injuries he has no trade value then does he? I see no point in delisting him, he has too much potential IMO and is crucial to our structure. We can develop guys like Moore in the meantime and if when he shows he is capable of holding down a Ben Reid position, then we can look at options like cutting him I guess. Just no point yet IMO.
Oh don't get me wrong - If someone comes with a first rounder I'd kick him out the door quicker than Armstrong with or without steak knivesI guess that's your take. My take is that a club like Fremantle would take the punt on him for a first rounder with Johnson and McPharlin nearing the end. I'd cash in whilst we can because we aren't talking one area we're discussing every major muscle group in both his legs across an 18 month period. Regardless of structural importance we just can't get him right
He's got 3 years left on his deal so if no one bites you keep him. Some will agree with me some won't. At the end of the day the clubs movements are all that matters and they're unlikely to go down that path...
Why do you get so excited about Reid not playing?Now that Ben Reid hasn't been named in the VFL team, can we all agree that Ben Reid is in fact ''injured" and that my discussion thread can stay open?
For those that want to discuss, the points I made were as follows:
What do we do with him? His body clearly is failing him at the moment and there must be an underlying issue. Do we write off the year for him and send him back to Germany? Are there any other novel treatments that we can use to try and get him right? Have the club been able to identify the cause of these injuries or is it not possible to do so?
You'd have to think there is an overall root cause, as it is not just one muscle he keeps injuring, but it's been his calf, quad and hamstring.
Hopefully this thread stays open and we don't all live in a fairyland where we can't accept this guy is injured and it is a very serious issue.
Why do you get so excited about Reid not playing?