Ben Reid not named in VFL - Possible Injury?

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mattys123 said:
Bucks has been pretty honest with this one, he got a corked calf, that has all but been confirmed now. For anyone else that would have meant 3-4 days of treatment with no training and then almost a certain return at the same level the next weekend.

As Bucks said though, a corked calf for Ben Reid is now different to a corked calf for anyone else.

Good chance he returns to training mid week and plays VFL next weekend, decent chance he's playing at Whitten Oval next Saturday, if even only for a half.

It does set him back 2-3 weeks at least though in terms of senior selection.
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With his History with Soft-Tissue Injuries it have a Bigger Effect on him having a Corky
 

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NT.Thunder said:
So, are we to believe that he is seriously injured again or is this a serious issue. You previously mentioned that his last "corkie" saw him miss 4-5 weeks so is that what we are expecting here. If he's back next week in VFL is this still a serious issue?

We all know Reid has experienced injuries over the last 18 months but prior to this guy played 77 games in four season which is a pretty good return. Now Nathan Brown has played only 95 games in 7 seasons, and he seems to be traveling pretty well now.

What do we do with him? Well, call me naive, but I'm sure that one of and if not the biggest sporting club in Australia has some pretty good medical/physio connections that would be providing good advice. We are cautious, and why not. We are traveling pretty well and for a team that may be looking at playing finals in 10 weeks or so, managing Reid so he is at his best come that time would be paramount. He'll need to play a few games obviously in the lead up and I'm not worried that he won't.

I'm not sure I see any benefit in the club withholding information from us. He'll always be a week by week case but why would the club not just come out and say he won't be ready for x number of weeks if he wasn't right.

His brother is pretty similar also isn't he, had his fair share of soft tissue injuries.

James Hird had ongoing soft tissue injuries and it's widely known that Kevin Sheedy was concerned about him continually pulling up lame around the same time each year in his early playing career. I'm glad they stuck with him and I'm 100% positive that the Bombers faithful persevered. Reid is only 26. He has some good years of football left and the club knows this. They will be managing him accordingly and whilst it's sad to not see him out there in either AFL or VFL this week, I for one am still confident we'll see him playing before finals.
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Having chronic soft tissue injuries is serious. The individual injury itself isn't. I've explained this to you about 10 times now.

Nathan Brown never had soft tissue injuries. He had injuries to shoulders, knees etc. Poor example.

James Hird's soft tissue injuries do not compare to what Ben Reid has gone through the last two years. Hird's major issues were his feet which he overcame.

And changing the thread title to possible injury? He IS injured as he is not playing VFL. You don't miss the weekend's games if you are fully fit and uninjured. Time to get your head out of the sand.
 
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Snell1234 said:
Having chronic soft tissue injuries is serious. The individual injury itself isn't. I've explained this to you about 10 times now.

Nathan Brown never had soft tissue injuries. He had injuries to shoulders, knees etc. Poor example.

James Hird's soft tissue injuries do not compare to what Ben Reid has gone through the last two years. Hird's major issues were his feet which he overcame.

And changing the thread title to possible injury? He IS injured as he is not playing VFL. You don't miss the weekend's games if you are fully fit and uninjured. Time to get your head out of the sand.
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So what do we do? What are your thoughts here. What's your inside your word regarding his chronic soft tissue injury. So am I right in saying his injury isn't serious and he should be back next week at VFL and playing AFL soon after that? I'm just trying to get my head over what it is you're saying or asking. I'm not in the clubs inner sanctum and have no medical experience with soft tissue injuries so I'm reliant on the professionalism of the club to do what's best for Reid and Collingwood. Is there something else we should be doing?

The facts that we know are that Reid has suffered from a number of soft tissue injuries. He was sent over to Germany for treatment on the advice from specialists and has improved to the point where he played 3/4 of VFL last week. unless there has been something else published, Reid suffered a cork injury to his calf last week and was given every opportunity to get up for this weekends VFL game. He didn't. We can speculate and put 2 and 2 together all we want but it's as hypothetical as Dangerfield coming to Collingwood next season.

Does he have a serious injury? Will he be required to be managed? You've asked a number of questions but unless you're imbedded in the club and treating Reid I don't understand how anyone can answer them.

Let me try this.

What do we do with him? Give him every opportunity to get up for VFL next week to overcome his "cork" and play him for a full game
His body clearly is failing him at the moment and there must be an underlying issue. Do we write off the year for him and send him back to Germany? What's his injury, for a corkie? He may be playing VFL next week though so do we need to send him to Germany, let's wait on this?
Are there any other novel treatments that we can use to try and get him right? No idea. I googled novel treatments for chronic soft tissue injuries and found this from 2000 'Some novel treatments recently investigated, including low intensity laser irradiation and extracorporeal shock wave lithotripsy' so I'm all for the LASER
Have the club been able to identify the cause of these injuries or is it not possible to do so? No idea on this sorry, you'll have to ask the club.
 
NT.Thunder said:
So what do we do? What are your thoughts here. What's your inside your word regarding his chronic soft tissue injury. So am I right in saying his injury isn't serious and he should be back next week at VFL and playing AFL soon after that? I'm just trying to get my head over what it is you're saying or asking. I'm not in the clubs inner sanctum and have no medical experience with soft tissue injuries so I'm reliant on the professionalism of the club to do what's best for Reid and Collingwood. Is there something else we should be doing?

The facts that we know are that Reid has suffered from a number of soft tissue injuries. He was sent over to Germany for treatment on the advice from specialists and has improved to the point where he played 3/4 of VFL last week. unless there has been something else published, Reid suffered a cork injury to his calf last week and was given every opportunity to get up for this weekends VFL game. He didn't. We can speculate and put 2 and 2 together all we want but it's as hypothetical as Dangerfield coming to Collingwood next season.

Does he have a serious injury? Will he be required to be managed? You've asked a number of questions but unless you're imbedded in the club and treating Reid I don't understand how anyone can answer them.

Let me try this.

What do we do with him? Give him every opportunity to get up for VFL next week to overcome his "cork" and play him for a full game
His body clearly is failing him at the moment and there must be an underlying issue. Do we write off the year for him and send him back to Germany? What's his injury, for a corkie? He may be playing VFL next week though so do we need to send him to Germany, let's wait on this?
Are there any other novel treatments that we can use to try and get him right? No idea. I googled novel treatments for chronic soft tissue injuries and found this from 2000 'Some novel treatments recently investigated, including low intensity laser irradiation and extracorporeal shock wave lithotripsy' so I'm all for the LASER
Have the club been able to identify the cause of these injuries or is it not possible to do so? No idea on this sorry, you'll have to ask the club.
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I'm just wondering if we need to take an extra cautious, extra long term approach to this to the point where we rule him out for the year. This injury isn't serious. Yes, he should play vfl next week. But every week, we are going to be waiting until the next issue appears as soon as he exerts himself.

We send him back to Germany if need be and we send him all over the world to work out what is happening. Is it due to his back not being right as it was alluded to in Germany? Is it due to his body being too big for his frame?

I'm not sure.

I just don't think we can continue on this path where he plays a bit of VFL, gets through by barely exerting himself, and then gets injured the moment he tries to lift the intensity. Something obviously is fundamentally not right.

I just wish the club could explain what they mean by a cork to his calf. Buckley was clearly coy on 360 and wanted to give out as little detail as possible. Why is that? Why can't the members be fully informed on what is happening with him and what their plans are?
 
I just wish the club could explain what they mean by a cork to his calf. Buckley was clearly coy on 360 and wanted to give out as little detail as possible. Why is that? Why can't the members be fully informed on what is happening with him and what their plans are?

I admit I haven't seen this and I have no idea why the club wouldn't be forth-write on this except for maybe they just don't know?

I know there is nothing like real match fitness, but unless he does become a bubble boy, I really don't see what good holding him back from playing is if he has ticked all the boxes with the coaching and fitness staff.

We could send him to Germany or anywhere around the world, we could spend hundreds of thousands of dollars for him to come back in 2 years time and have the exact same injury.

I don't know.
 
As soon as he was ruled out of the AFL line up he was long odds of playing at the lower level. I'm one to talk down Reid's fitness and find it worrysome that some still consider him to be a viable option long term, however my understanding is that he won't lose conditioning from this and will likely play a full match at VFL level next week then be in contention v West Coast...
 

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Scodog10 said:
As soon as he was ruled out of the AFL line up he was long odds of playing at the lower level. I'm one to talk down Reid's fitness and find it worrysome that some still consider him to be a viable option long term, however my understanding is that he won't lose conditioning from this and will likely play a full match at VFL level next week then be in contention v West Coast...
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But what can you do? If a guy is suffering from chronic soft tissue injuries he has no trade value then does he? I see no point in delisting him, he has too much potential IMO and is crucial to our structure. We can develop guys like Moore in the meantime and if when he shows he is capable of holding down a Ben Reid position, then we can look at options like cutting him I guess. Just no point yet IMO.
 
NT.Thunder said:
But what can you do? If a guy is suffering from chronic soft tissue injuries he has no trade value then does he?
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He's a great bargain for someone else because they would pay very little in terms of trade and payment for a potential AA

Trading him is our worst option from a value perspective because we won't get near his worth and guarafrickinteed he comes good the minute he steps out the door
 
ottoman said:
Normally I would consider a post like this to be OTT or a huge over reaction. However in this case I have to agree. The slightest touch or slightest over exertion and he is out for 3 to 5 weeks. And I am getting a little tired of the club saying "minor". He basically hasn't played for 1 and a half seasons due to minor injuries.
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I tend to agree. I think the club also forgets about the stress all of this uncertainty causes the fans. The fact is the club exists for the members and fans and I'm just not enjoying myself anymore because of this ongoing saga with Reid. Something needs to be done to fix the situation.
 
Chill people. Stressing over something we cannot control and cannot get good clear information on is just a feedback loop of negativity.

Maybe he'll come back, maybe he won't. The Club I'm sure is leaving no stone unturned and the frustration that the fans feel I think is pretty minor to what Ben Reid himself must feel.

He's still an A grader if he gets back and has time. He could be a great player in a second half career. Who knows. Just throttle back and embrace uncertainty and zen. Riding every little thing and writing it large is not going to yourself, Ben Reid, Collingwood fans or the Collingwood football club.
 
NT.Thunder said:
But what can you do? If a guy is suffering from chronic soft tissue injuries he has no trade value then does he? I see no point in delisting him, he has too much potential IMO and is crucial to our structure. We can develop guys like Moore in the meantime and if when he shows he is capable of holding down a Ben Reid position, then we can look at options like cutting him I guess. Just no point yet IMO.
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I guess that's your take. My take is that a club like Fremantle would take the punt on him for a first rounder with Johnson and McPharlin nearing the end. I'd cash in whilst we can because we aren't talking one area we're discussing every major muscle group in both his legs across an 18 month period. Regardless of structural importance we just can't get him right :thumbsdown:

He's got 3 years left on his deal so if no one bites you keep him. Some will agree with me some won't. At the end of the day the clubs movements are all that matters and they're unlikely to go down that path...
 
Scodog10 said:
I guess that's your take. My take is that a club like Fremantle would take the punt on him for a first rounder with Johnson and McPharlin nearing the end. I'd cash in whilst we can because we aren't talking one area we're discussing every major muscle group in both his legs across an 18 month period. Regardless of structural importance we just can't get him right :thumbsdown:

He's got 3 years left on his deal so if no one bites you keep him. Some will agree with me some won't. At the end of the day the clubs movements are all that matters and they're unlikely to go down that path...
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Oh don't get me wrong - If someone comes with a first rounder I'd kick him out the door quicker than Armstrong with or without steak knives :)
 
Snell1234 said:
Now that Ben Reid hasn't been named in the VFL team, can we all agree that Ben Reid is in fact ''injured" and that my discussion thread can stay open?

For those that want to discuss, the points I made were as follows:

What do we do with him? His body clearly is failing him at the moment and there must be an underlying issue. Do we write off the year for him and send him back to Germany? Are there any other novel treatments that we can use to try and get him right? Have the club been able to identify the cause of these injuries or is it not possible to do so?

You'd have to think there is an overall root cause, as it is not just one muscle he keeps injuring, but it's been his calf, quad and hamstring.

Hopefully this thread stays open and we don't all live in a fairyland where we can't accept this guy is injured and it is a very serious issue.
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Why do you get so excited about Reid not playing?
 
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