The Terrorism Files - 2015, 2016

[Milanista28]

Wow^

 

[Bodicifer]

I very much doubt that there is anyone on this site that wouldn't agree with that, however if you look at the events in Belgium and France, the perpetrators are most likely people that have either lived in those countries for years or born there.

And that's my point, the more we let in, the more will be born here...it's going to get worse... We need to develop an anti-terrorism vaccine!

 

[Bodicifer]

I hope Trump sorts them out!

Trumps the kinda guy they'd target I reckon

 

[Maggie5]

And that's my point, the more we let in, the more will be born here...it's going to get worse... We need to develop an anti-terrorism vaccine!

Well that is not what I mean, these people have been there for years, quite possibly are older than you.
Maybe developing a tolerance vaccine may be more in order or a factual vaccine as there is so much mis information going around.
Strength the borders, strengthen security checks, deport undersirables agree with all that but sadly some use this sad incident as an excuse to bash a race/religion.

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

Negotiating with extremists is as useless as Rosie O'Donnell's personal trainer. It's time to go hard at these f***ers.

Mo Mowlam calls you a big fat fibber


and so does Rosie

 

[Fuzzy Wuzzy Bear]

Some damning stats, particularly with the numbers on death for apostates.

That said, the same research showed that Muslim majority nations are less likely to support deliberate attacks on civilians than say, peeps in the USA. Non Muslims are actually more bloodthirsty than Muslims, and European and USA citizens think that 'deliberate killing of civilians can be justifed' more often than your average citizen of an Islamic nation does.

Heck, the current US Presidential front runner supports deliberate attacks on civilian children and he's surging ahead in the popular vote to thunderous applause.

Not the only place one finds hypocricy in the argument you pose either:

The left side picture is considered terrorism. The right side isnt. You try and figure that one out.

I can understand the outrage and horror at these attacks. But focus on that, and then consider the above images and numbers, you might be able to undertand why the terrorists are also angry.

The right side isn't considered terrorism by who? Israel are just as bad and some of their actions towards not only Palestine but immigrants is disgraceful. TBH I guess when people are so fundamentally religious I'm not sure they even need provoking. Crazy's gonna crazy. Blood lust gonna blood lust.

 

[Malifice]

The right side isn't considered terrorism by who? Israel are just as bad and some of their actions towards not only Palestine but immigrants is disgraceful. TBH I guess when people are so fundamentally religious I'm not sure they even need provoking. Crazy's gonna crazy. Blood lust gonna blood lust.

I dont just blame the overtly religious but the exessively patriotic/ nationalistic as well. Almost any belief system when taken to extremes leads to carnage. Its great to have respect for your country, but when it gets dialed up to full blown jingoistic nationalism some minority is bound to be getting gassed or locked behind fences. Same deal with religion. No-one has an issue with moderate Muslims (barring the right wing loons) but when taken to the nth degree of literalist Islamic fundamentalism, peeps start to die and get persecuted. Socialism is fine in theory too, but dialed up to full blown Communism, and the next thing you know the gulags are in full swing.

Kind of why my default position is be objective, step back and take a good hard look at whats going on, why people are angry (and that includes the far right crazies, as much as it includes the terrorists) and try and figure out why, and what can be done about it that wont make the mutual feelings of distrust and hatred worse.

 

[Balony_pony16]

Intresting that there have been multiple attacks in Turkey the past couple of months that got piecemeal coverage yet this attack in Western Europe gets rolling coverage with special editions of morning shows. Didn't notice the colours of the Turkish flag lighting up other countries monuments either.

Pretty sure it got covered...perhaps start paying attention? But yeah the care factor isn't as high...perhaps Turkey helping to fund ISIS through buying cheap black market oil off them rubs people up the wrong way?

 

[Maggie5]

Pretty sure it got covered...perhaps start paying attention? But yeah the care factor isn't as high...perhaps Turkey helping to fund ISIS through buying cheap black market oil off them rubs people up the wrong way?

Just pretty sure?
Nah, I think it is more to do with killing their own, care factor - Nil.

 

[MaddAdam]

The most recent fatality among UK security personnel at the hands of terrorists killed by ... (click the link!)

 

[Total Power]

I posted it to refute some other biased data. The same data you have previously posted.

My data is better than yours right? polls are only correct when you post it. I get it.

You keep on tarring all Muslims and all of Islam with the same brush like its some kind of monolithic bloc.

Can you at least conceed that there are different branches of Islam with widely different beliefs, comprising of widely different ethnic groups? And that the problems you refer to come from a particular hardline minority (Salaffist Wahabbists) who have an economic, political and territorial goal.

Unless you think Usman Kwaja, Bachar Houli and Waleed Aly support what happened yesterday or some equally absurd crap.

Lol where did i say all Muslims are bad? i said (and you didnt bother to read), Islamophobia is not a bad thing , Muslimophobia is. I read on todays papers Muslims are out saying "Islam is peace". I read atleast 10 articles today saying Muslims are first to defend Islam before anything. You will never solve the problem cause you are looking at the symptoms of the problem but not the problem itself, which is Islam. 7% Germans were Nazis, so Nazism was not a problem right? we are talking about anywhere between 10-20% of the entire Muslim population who believe in the radical interpretation of Islam, this is not a small number, this is the point i am trying to get across and you keep brushing it aside as another bomb will explode elsewhere while you blame me for "pushing my agenda". It does not mean the rest of the Muslims are radicals, they are not, but as long as they dont talk about Islam, we will never address the problem. Look at what happened in Egypt. The justice minister was forced to resign cause he mentioned prophet muhammed in one of his quotes (which was actually harmless). How do you even address the problem when you cant even talk about it? even you agreed that Islam needs reform, now tell me where and how should we start?????

 

[Lethality]

Trumps the kinda guy they'd target I reckon

He's more useful to them alive.

 

[Gosha]

Did anyone see Panahi's article? I hate her but she does have a point and there are some things that do need to be addressed.

Some Muslims move to Western countries and refuse to integrate into society. There are suburbs full of Muslims in the UK, France and Belgium that have decided to live under Sharia Law. A lot of them just don't respect Western values and if anyone raises a concern about it they're immediately dubbed as racist or bigots.

An extremely small portion of Muslims are terrorists, but it would be interesting to know how many of the ones that aren't terrorists support the activities of terrorists. I could safely assume that there would be a lot and the scary part about it is that they're living among us and they're all very susceptible to radicalisation.

I went to school with this guy who is a Muslim and right after the Endeavour Hills stabbing in 2014, he started writing s**t on Facebook like how Numan Haider was a "victim" and how Muslims will always support their "brothers". He then said the police were at fault and swore Prophet Muhammad would have his revenge on them. What makes this even crazier is the status polled about 200 likes and he had an array of comments condoning it.

The reality is the world faces a significant problem that stems from Islam and you would have to have your head buried in the sand to deny that. The world is so conflicted and there will never be a solution to dealing with terrorists because all it takes is one brainwashed psychopath to get his hands on a knife and unleash. It's a vicious cycle that we're in - the West retaliate, Muslims become radicalised and more lone wolf attacks are consequently carried out. Rinse and repeat.

France, Belgium and The UK are perfect examples of countries that have embraced Islam with lenient border policies. The quest for multiculturalism and diversity is going to come back to haunt them and I'm afraid these countries are too deep in it now. What about Australia? Is it too late? I personally believe so. If not, an influx of 12,000 refugees will seal the deal.

 

[Saintt]

Why is the west so determined to keep the borders open? Surely enough is enough.

 

[Paul Kersey]

The idealist view that we can all get along is why we're in this dire position to begin with. Begs belief people still subscribe to this view in light of the events post 2001. Our governments have made poor decisions in meddling in the middle east (Gaddafi, Hussein, Assad, Saudi Arabia, Israel etc). That is what it is, you can't change the past. You can control the future and who comes into our countries with decisions being made on what is best for the country, not feel good stories. Residents who subscribe to beliefs which threaten national security can be locked away - this extends to residents who harbour these terrorists and/or sympathise. It is treason. Cultural change with how these people are dealt with - they need to understand if you're going to go down that path, you're losing your freedom. If that's for life, so be it. You come to the west, you come knowing you're living on our terms (i.e. obeying our law, respecting our culture, acknowleding that archaic views will be questioned etc). If you come to live in peace, you'll probably do well and you'll find people accommodating of different backgrounds. You decide you don't want to assimilate, sprout anti-Western rhetoric and get involved in the pathway towards extremisim, you need to know it will not be tolerated.

 

[MaddAdam]

If not, an influx of 12,000 refugees will seal the deal.

An influx!

12,000 people into a population of 24 million.

You won't be abele to move for Syrians.

 

[Gosha]

An influx!

12,000 people into a population of 24 million.

You won't be abele to move for Syrians.

Oh look, a do-gooder.

 

[MaddAdam]

Oh look, a do-gooder.

Yes I will put my hand up and say I support helping people who are being persecuted by savage and monstruous killers and rapists like Daesh.

Tell me, why wouldn't you want to help people like the Yazidis and Syrian Christians who are being subjected to the most horrific treatment?

 

[Malifice]

Oh look, a do-gooder.

Whats your solution?

Bearing in mind the current refugees sweeping through Europe are victims of this terrorism. Theyve been dealing with it for years.

How to deal with ISIL without persecuting Muslims, and in particular targetting the victims of ISIL.

 

[Gosha]

Whats your solution?

Bearing in mind the current refugees sweeping through Europe are victims of this terrorism. Theyve been dealing with it for years.

How to deal with ISIL without persecuting Muslims, and in particular targetting the victims of ISIL.

I don't have a solution but I definitely wouldn't be accepting 12,000 refugees. It won't end well. Those European countries have welcomed refugees with open arms and they're now suffering the consequences. Even before the Syrian refugees arrived, the immigrant Muslim community in some areas of Europe have been dissatisfied were causing local strain. The combination of the occasional jihadi, feelings of isolation and a distinct lack of economic opportunity have driven them to antisocial behaviour. But wait, because we have do-gooders like MaddAdam taking care of them we'll be all good, right?

 

[MaddAdam]

Whats your solution?

Bearing in mind the current refugees sweeping through Europe are victims of this terrorism. Theyve been dealing with it for years.

How to deal with ISIL without persecuting Muslims, and in particular targetting the victims of ISIL.

Actually Gosha and I were talking about the 12,000 refugees announced by the former government. He says this is an "influx" that will "seal the deal".

My understanding is those 12,000 people are being heavily vetted before selection, and are drawn from the most vulnerable groups like Yazidis and Christians and Assyrians and freakin' folks who speak the very same tongue as Jesus and s**t, and even then, priority is being given to intact families and women and children ahead of single men.

I want to know why Gosha is against helping a small number of families and women and children fleeing appalling violence visited upon them by Daesh with no provocation whatsoever apart from worshipping the wrong God.

I want to know what reason he has for not helping these 12,000 people, given many, if not a majority, if not nearly all, most likely won't be Muslim and if they arem certainly won't be radical Sunni Muslims.

 

[Malifice]

I don't have a solution but I definitely wouldn't be accepting 12,000 refugees.

So... let me get this straight. You oppose ISIL but refuse to help their victims on the extremely small possibility that one of the victims could be a member of ISIL?

 

[coerced]

Some damning stats, particularly with the numbers on death for apostates.

That said, the same research showed that Muslim majority nations are less likely to support deliberate attacks on civilians than say, peeps in the USA.

What does 'civilian' mean to a person who sees the non-Muslim world as Dar-al-Harb?

 

[MaddAdam]

So... let me get this straight. You oppose ISIL but refuse to help their victims on the extremely small possibility that one of the victims could be a member of ISIL?

Not wanting just accept any old 12,000 refugees who turned up I can understand and this is Europe's great problem.

But the 12,000 who come here are being so heavily vetted its actually slowing the process beyond what was envisaged. There ain't no Daesh sleeper cells there.

FWIW if I was Daesh and I wanted to get people into Australia, I would just train up a bunch of Saudi dudes and get them in on students visas for some shonky education "institute" and if I needed to get some of the hard blokes to run the show, French and Belgians with experience, I'd just get them working holiday visas. Piece of piss. No need to sit around in a refugee camp for 14 months pretending to be a Yazidi woman.

 

[Gosha]

So... let me get this straight. You oppose ISIL but refuse to help their victims on the extremely small possibility that one of the victims could be a member of ISIL?

Actually Gosha and I were talking about the 12,000 refugees announced by the former government. He says this is an "influx" that will "seal the deal".

My understanding is those 12,000 people are being heavily vetted before selection, and are drawn from the most vulnerable groups like Yazidis and Christians and Assyrians and freakin' folks who speak the very same tongue as Jesus and s**t, and even then, priority is being given to intact families and women and children ahead of single men.

I want to know why Gosha is against helping a small number of families and women and children fleeing appalling violence visited upon them by Daesh with no provocation whatsoever apart from worshipping the wrong God.

I want to know what reason he has for not helping these 12,000 people, given many, if not a majority, if not nearly all, most likely won't be Muslim and if they arem certainly won't be radical Sunni Muslims.

Are they all victims? How can anyone guarantee that? And how is it a small possibility when they've already managed to smuggle their way through the system in Europe? I'm sure they were screened thoroughly before they were granted access there but guess what, it's really not that hard to pose as a refugee. Security officials believe it's almost impossible to detect whether they're legitimate or not and all they need is a fake passport. And guess what item was left at the scene of the Paris shootings? A fake passport. They're exploiting the refugee crisis to smuggle terror cells to major cities in Europe and you must be a f***ing moron to think they won't smuggle any into Australia. All it takes is one out of 12,000 and the consequences could be extreme.