Adam Goodes vs Chris Judd

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Judd (Carlton fan) has done more for Carlton than anyone outside of the Blues can understand. Without him we would be in the same hole as Melbourne, almost single handed turned us around on the field and is a great example for the young kids at Carlton.

That really has nothing to do with who is better.

 

[nickztaa]

Goodes is much more resilient, Judd over the longrun but Ablett over them both.

 

[Plugger_87]

juddy

 

[BadGuy]

Chris Judd was awesome earlier on in his career but in the last few years not so much.. Adam Goodes seemingly is getting better as he ages.

Interesting fact, it took Goodes the least amount of seasons to make the 300 game mark (he did it in 13 seasons).

 

[Monkey King]

Chris Judd was awesome earlier on in his career but in the last few years not so much..

Won the MVP in 2011, second in the AFLCA Award and was arguably the best player in the league. That's like, just the year before last. Not sure when this rewrite was started by BigFooty, but I've seen it around the traps a fair bit lately. Strange place this forum sometimes.

 

[forwardflanker]

Two dual brownlow medalists. Two legends of the game. Arguably the two best players since the turn of the century. Who's been the better player? Adam Goodes is the greatest player I have seen in my life, with respect to Judd and Gary Ablett jr. He's the only player who I've seen have the ability to turn a game in every single position on the ground. He's a dead-set superstar.

I'm not sure I agree with this. I'd say what separates Goodes from the absolute best of his generation is that he hasn't been able influence games in the same manner as others. He might be able to play every position on the ground but as a midfielder he's never been at the same level as the great midfielders like Judd, Ablett, McCleod, Black, Voss, Buckley and Hird. And as a forward he was never at the level of the best forwards of his era like Franklin, Hall, Richo, Lloyd, Pavlich and Brown. Whilst a legitimate champion I think Goodes has been overrated as a player. I think his longevity probably has a lot to do with it since he been so good for so long but in terms of quality on match day I don't think he's reached the level of those mentioned above in their respective positions.

In terms of the thread question it depends on how you look at it. If you were considering them at their best then it's a no brainer. Judd in his early days at WC was on his way to being goat. He was a truly amazing athlete who broke games open. If you were to look at their respective careers then it becomes much closer although I'd still go with Judd. Even though he has been nowhere near as good in the second half of his career, as much as I dislike him, Carlton are a much better side when he's playing well.

 

[forwardflanker]

There needs to be a "Adam Goodes (Collingwood fan)" option imo

 

[Power Raid]

Judd had a higher peak but Goodes was more versatile, could play KP roles and was at the top for longer

 

[JCHolmes]

Judds best > Goodes best.
2006 season I think Judd was better than Goodes was. Both champs however, Judd the better one though.

Goodes 2006 = 25 Games, 25 Goals, Tackles 84, Inside 50 115, Contested Mark 29, Avg Disp 20.8, Avg Clearances 3.1, Finals = 3 Games, Avg Goal 1, Avg Clearance 2, Avg Disp 20.5. Only 9 games under 20 touches for the year. 0 games over 30 touches for the year, 3 goals or more in 1 game.

Judds 2006 = 23 Games, 29 Goals, Tackles 112, Inside 50 115, Contested Mark 13, Avg Disp 25.8, Avg Clearances 6.1, Finals = 4 Games, Avg Goal 1, Avg Clearance 8.25, Avg Disp 26.75. Only 2 games under 20 touches for the year, 6 games over 30 touches for the year, 3 goals or more in 6 games.

 

[Power Raid]

Judds best > Goodes best.
2006 season I think Judd was better than Goodes was. Both champs however, Judd the better one though.

Goodes 2006 = 25 Games, 25 Goals, Tackles 84, Inside 50 115, Contested Mark 29, Avg Disp 20.8, Avg Clearances 3.1, Finals = 3 Games, Avg Goal 1, Avg Clearance 2, Avg Disp 20.5. Only 9 games under 20 touches for the year. 0 games over 30 touches for the year, 3 goals or more in 1 game.

Judds 2006 = 23 Games, 29 Goals, Tackles 112, Inside 50 115, Contested Mark 13, Avg Disp 25.8, Avg Clearances 6.1, Finals = 4 Games, Avg Goal 1, Avg Clearance 8.25, Avg Disp 26.75. Only 2 games under 20 touches for the year, 6 games over 30 touches for the year, 3 goals or more in 6 games.

judd's best was definitely better but the value of goodes being able to play forward, back, the middle and in the ruck is pretty valuable

 

[Engimal]

Judd, easily. People often forget how good he was and even today he can be very, very damaging.

 

[Claude Balls]

Judd. Goodes' absolute best is right up there with the best 10 or so players since the turn of the century, though nonetheless I do feel he is ever so slightly overrated. Judd's best at West Coast is comparable to Ablett's time at the top. And overall, including his best years at Carlton, I feel he has done enough to be considered a notch above Goodes.

 

[jiphoc]

Judd by so far it is not funny. People quickly forget how good he was earlier in his career. All respect to Goodes but Judd was in a class only ever reached by Ablett (both) and maybe Mathews IMO.

 

[Roobound]

Goodes last Brownlow year was a avg just over a goal a game (he kicked 4 in the last home & away game) avg about 21 possessions.
I know it was a because l was on him to win the Brownlow so l watched him very very closely.

In short he got to the stage where he did not have to do a great deal to be recognised as playing well.
He is a special talent that will go down as a great but Judd for mine has him covered as a player who influenced more games.

 

[Big Tom 2013]

Voted Goodes due to his long term versatility, but Judd was a match winner, so difficult to choose really

 

[eaglespremiers]

He has been left behind by Ablett and Swan who are playing as good as they did played 6 years ago.

Swan was pretty average six years ago and beyond.
Wouldn't be on a list if he had continued to perform at that level.

 

[Bailey01]

Adam Goodes, always love watching him play

 

[PCORF]

Judd and Goodes, hard to separate. I think Goodes has had the better career, 2 premierships, 2 Brownlow medals, played more games and is a great person too. Also one of the toughest players to ever play the game too. 2012 Grand Final stands out, with his knee stuffed due to a torn PCL he played his heart out and kicked crucial goals in the 4th quarter = that is toughness.

 

[eaglespremiers]

Judd and Goodes, hard to separate. I think Goodes has had the better career, 2 premierships, 2 Brownlow medals, played more games and is a great person too. Also one of the toughest players to ever play the game too. 2012 Grand Final stands out, with his knee stuffed due to a torn PCL he played his heart out and kicked crucial goals in the 4th quarter = that is toughness.

You can think Goodes is the better player but nothing you mentioned is particularly affirming that. I am personally nonplussed by Goodes as a great person in relation to his playing career. And Judd played in 07 qualifying final when being really injured and kicked important goals. So there's no question he too is tough.

 

[Shoey]

2 flags.

 

[timtamWB]

2 flags.

Means nothing to how good an individual player is. Mooney is a 3 time premiership player, so he's better than Goodes.

Even to seperate close polls, it doesn't mean anything. It's team success, which means nothing when you're comparing individuals.

 

[DG-Man]

Judd by a mile.

 

[bris tarangau]

Goodes

 

[RUNVS]

Sorry for bringing this thread back from the dead but I thought I would add something. These are statistically the 2 best games both Goodes and Judd played in their careers.

Adam Goodes
Round 19, 2009 vs Richmond
21 kicks
4 handballs
4 goals
3 behinds
6 tackles
4 inside 50's

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_match_statistics?mid=4285

and

Round 15, 2010 vs North Melbourne
20 kicks
13 handballs
3 goals
2 behinds
5 tackles
8 inside 50's

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_match_statistics?mid=5102


Compared to Chris Judd's 2 best games

Round 18, 2011 vs Essendon
14 kicks
19 handballs
1 goal
0 behinds
12 tackles
9 inside 50's

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_match_statistics?mid=5283

and

Round 16, 2012 vs North Melbourne
21 kicks
15 handballs
3 goals
0 behinds
2 tackles
9 inside 50's

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_match_statistics?mid=5469

I would argue that Adam Goodes' 2 best games (statistically at least) are better than Chris Judd's two best games (statistically).

and here are their highest statistics in each category over their careers

Disposals
Goodes - 34
Judd - 39

Kicks
Goodes - 26
Judd - 23

Handballs
Goodes - 18
Judd - 23

Marks
Goodes - 18
Judd - 11

Goals
Goodes - 8
Judd - 5

Tackles
Goodes - 10
Judd - 12

Hitouts
Goodes - 27
Judd - 2

So in those stats Goodes won 4 to 3

and for the best games

Supercoach
Goodes - 223
Judd - 197

AFL Fantasy
Goodes - 158
Judd - 147

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-sydney-swans--adam-goodes

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-carlton-blues--chris-judd

 

[eaglespremiers]

Sorry for bringing this thread back from the dead but I thought I would add something. These are statistically the 2 best games both Goodes and Judd played in their careers.

Adam Goodes
Round 19, 2009 vs Richmond
21 kicks
4 handballs
4 goals
3 behinds
6 tackles
4 inside 50's

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_match_statistics?mid=4285

and

Round 15, 2010 vs North Melbourne
20 kicks
13 handballs
3 goals
2 behinds
5 tackles
8 inside 50's

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_match_statistics?mid=5102


Compared to Chris Judd's 2 best games

Round 18, 2011 vs Essendon
14 kicks
19 handballs
1 goal
0 behinds
12 tackles
9 inside 50's

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_match_statistics?mid=5283

and

Round 16, 2012 vs North Melbourne
21 kicks
15 handballs
3 goals
0 behinds
2 tackles
9 inside 50's

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_match_statistics?mid=5469

I would argue that Adam Goodes' 2 best games (statistically at least) are better than Chris Judd's two best games (statistically).

and here are their highest statistics in each category over their careers

Disposals
Goodes - 34
Judd - 39

Kicks
Goodes - 26
Judd - 23

Handballs
Goodes - 18
Judd - 23

Marks
Goodes - 18
Judd - 11

Goals
Goodes - 8
Judd - 5

Tackles
Goodes - 10
Judd - 12

Hitouts
Goodes - 27
Judd - 2

So in those stats Goodes won 4 to 3

and for the best games

Supercoach
Goodes - 223
Judd - 197

AFL Fantasy
Goodes - 158
Judd - 147

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-sydney-swans--adam-goodes

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-carlton-blues--chris-judd

Congratulations on making huge assumptions based on stats that aren't particularly relevant.
This is undoubtably some of the worst argumentation I have witnessed on this site.
If you insist on rating games based on stats alone you should not be ignoring contested possessions, clearances and score assists.
Plus Judd's best two games are, IMO, Round 15 2003 against the Blues and Round 9 2006 against the Lions.
Other options could be the QF of 2006, Round 4 2005, Round 8 2007, EF 2010, Round 6 2011.
I'm not sure what games you are referring to.