AFL reaps $80m from Gather Round deal

[Walshawk]

Walshawk was correct a few weeks back (in some other thread I can't remember) that you necessarily need an even number of games when you have an uneven number of teams. It has to be either 22 games or 24 games when Tasmania comes in (until team 20 comes in). This is mathematically necessarily the case - you cannot solve it with extra byes

I already thought it was going to 24 games per team, probably with an extra gather round. Teen Wolf's highlighting of the AFLPA concession in the negotiations has convinced me of that. It will be a 24 game (26 round) season by 2028

That would mean either starting in Feb, or starting the first week of March and pushing the GF into September. It would make the season four weeks longer than it was until 2016.

 

[The_Wookie]

Walshawk was correct a few weeks back (in some other thread I can't remember) that you necessarily need an even number of games when you have an uneven number of teams. It has to be either 22 games or 24 games when Tasmania comes in (until team 20 comes in). This is mathematically necessarily the case - you cannot solve it with extra byes

Negative.

1991 was a 165 game season (11 games x 15 teams)
1992 was a 165 game season (11 games x 15 teams)
1994 was a 165 game season (11 games x 15 teams)

Also this was the last time we had an uneven number of teams, so the only evidence we have to hand suggests it very much CAN be done with an uneven numnber of games.

I already thought it was going to 24 games per team, probably with an extra gather round. Teen Wolf's highlighting of the AFLPA concession in the negotiations has convinced me of that. It will be a 24 game (26 round) season by 2028

That means an extended season, it does not necessarily mean more games per team.

 

[Teen Wolf]

Negative.

1991 was a 165 game season (11 games x 15 teams)
1992 was a 165 game season (11 games x 15 teams)
1994 was a 165 game season (11 games x 15 teams)

Also this was the last time we had an uneven number of teams, so the only evidence we have to hand suggests it very much CAN be done with an uneven numnber of games.

It's not the total number of games that have to be even. But since each game must involve two teams, the total number of games x 2 ("spots", let's say) must be even.

15 teams x 22 games = 330 spots (165-match H&A season, i.e. 1994)
17 teams x 22 games = 374 spots (187-match H&A season, i.e. 2011)
19 teams x 23 games = 437 spots (218.5-match H&A season, which can't be done)

 

[The Educator]

It's not the total number of games that have to be even. But since each game must involve two teams, the total number of games x 2 ("spots", let's say) must be even.

15 teams x 22 games = 330 spots (165-match H&A season, i.e. 1994)
17 teams x 22 games = 374 spots (187-match H&A season, i.e. 2011)
19 teams x 23 games = 437 spots (218.5-match H&A season, which can't be done)

Positive!

I thought it was obvious I was referring to the number of games each team plays. The total number of games actually has to be an odd number if you have an even number of teams. But each team must play an even number of games is the point

That would mean either starting in Feb, or starting the first week of March and pushing the GF into September.

Which is what they will do on the seasons that is necessary (this year you could play the GF on the 30th of September and start on thursday the 3rd of March and still have the prefinals bye)

It would make the season four weeks longer than it was until 2016.

Sure, but they will do it.

They are leaving money on the table under current arrangements. No reason they can't play from the start of March if the players are on board with the extra games

 

[Walshawk]

Negative.

1991 was a 165 game season (11 games x 15 teams)
1992 was a 165 game season (11 games x 15 teams)
1994 was a 165 game season (11 games x 15 teams)

Also this was the last time we had an uneven number of teams, so the only evidence we have to hand suggests it very much CAN be done with an uneven numnber of games.




That means an extended season, it does not necessarily mean more games per team.

‘An even number of games’ means games played by each team. I.e. 22 or 24, which was what we were discussing In regards to adding a 23rd games for GR, which cannot be done.

 

[Walshawk]

Positive!

I thought it was obvious I was referring to the number of games each team plays. The total number of games actually has to be an odd number if you have an even number of teams. But each team must play an even number of games is the point




Which is what they will do on the seasons that is necessary (this year you could play the GF on the 30th of September and start on thursday the 3rd of March and still have the prefinals bye)



Sure, but they will do it.

They are leaving money on the table under current arrangements. No reason they can't play from the start of March if the players are on board with the extra games

Only if they renegotiate the broadcast agreements. And only if they can access most stadiums.

 

[kranger]

It's not the total number of games that have to be even. But since each game must involve two teams, the total number of games x 2 ("spots", let's say) must be even.

15 teams x 22 games = 330 spots (165-match H&A season, i.e. 1994)
17 teams x 22 games = 374 spots (187-match H&A season, i.e. 2011)
19 teams x 23 games = 437 spots (218.5-match H&A season, which can't be done)

I feel like this is one of those Facebook/TikTok brain teaser videos which suggest 1 + 1 = 3. But they actually used the wrong figures.

I think the problem is you need to think of it as always being an even number of teams. It is just that one of the teams happens to be ‘bye’. And you set up the season for every team having 2 bye’s.

So for the first 19 rounds, everyone plays each other once and has a bye. Resulting in 18 games and 1 bye each.

You then have rounds 20-24 (which is five rounds) where 14 teams will play 5 games (23 games for the season). 5 teams will have a bye in each of these rounds and will only play 4 games (22 games for the season).

You then have a round 25 to make up the difference, where those 5 teams play a game against one of the other teams… oh… you would have 1 team left over still on 22 games…

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I feel like this is one of those Facebook/TikTok brain teaser videos which suggest 1 + 1 = 3. But they actually used the wrong figures.

I think the problem is you need to think of it as always being an even number of teams. It is just that one of the teams happens to be ‘bye’. And you set up the season for every team having 2 bye’s.

So for the first 19 rounds, 18 teams play and 1 team has a bye. Everyone plays once and has a bye.

You then have rounds 20-24 (which is five rounds) where 14 teams will play 5 games (23 games for the season) and 5 teams will only play 4 games (22 for the season).

You then have a round 25 to make up the difference, where those 5 teams play a game against one of the other teams… oh… you would have 1 team left over still on 22 games…

Why do 14 teams have to play 5 games? Can't they all receive a bye in that time?

 

[Rob]

Of course they aren't but that is a particularly glib point which I am surprised you are making given you seem one of the more reasoned posters around here.

Tourism numbers are the key driver of the value of these "sellable" events. Pretty much every sport does it. Before the Gather Round concept, the AFL had pretty much nothing but a small number of fringe "little club" matches to sell to smaller jurisdictions and regions.

If the Gather round starts pulling 100K across borders (like they are apparently expecting next year), the value will be massive in 2027. The AFL gets no explicit dividend from state governments for the 100s of thousands who travel for games through the season and finals

That's a financial return for the AFL only to the extent that there is a government willing to pay for it. I'll grant you that it gives the AFL a sellable event, but then they ****ed it up by not putting it out for open tender.

100k tourists is going to be virtually impossible in Adelaide as there isn't the accommodation.

But the direct financial input from governments is really all that it has going for it. When it's in a place like Adelaide it doesn't promote the game.

 

[The_Wookie]

That's a financial return for the AFL only to the extent that there is a government willing to pay for it. I'll grant you that it gives the AFL a sellable event, but then they ****ed it up by not putting it out for open tender.

They may not have done as well financially as if it had been put to open tender, but that didnt made the event unsuccessful.

When it's in a place like Adelaide it doesn't promote the game.

Rubbish. The sport competes in a growing market especially amongst young folks. The games, the festival, the clinics, the player appearances at local clubs, these all promote the game to folks, even in strong AFL territory.

 

[My_Username]

They may not have done as well financially as if it had been put to open tender, but that didnt made the event unsuccessful.

Maybe.

There are certainly cases where that's true, like the GF at the MCG where there aren't equivilent options elsewhere, but I'm not sure that applies here. I doub they could have done a lot better elsewhere though, so another year or two would have been fine, with a clear message to other cities that if they wanted to bid higher than that for coming years, it would be welcomed. (I'd have preferred a rotation, but the AFL being the AFL, $$$ is the determining factor).

Rubbish. The sport competes in a growing market especially amongst young folks. The games, the festival, the clinics, the player appearances at local clubs, these all promote the game to folks, even in strong AFL territory.

Wherever they hold it, it will help promote and develop the game. No question.

I would have thought it would have a greater overall effect by rotating it though.

 

[Rob]

They may not have done as well financially as if it had been put to open tender, but that didnt made the event unsuccessful.

I didn't say it was unsuccessful, I said that it wasn't the raging success that it was made out to be.

Rubbish. The sport competes in a growing market especially amongst young folks. The games, the festival, the clinics, the player appearances at local clubs, these all promote the game to folks, even in strong AFL territory.

OK, I probably should have said "doesn't promote the game anywhere near the level that it would in other cities".

 

[kranger]

I feel like this is one of those Facebook/TikTok brain teaser videos which suggest 1 + 1 = 3. But they actually used the wrong figures.

I think the problem is you need to think of it as always being an even number of teams. It is just that one of the teams happens to be ‘bye’. And you set up the season for every team having 2 bye’s.

So for the first 19 rounds, 18 teams play and 1 team has a bye. Everyone plays once and has a bye.

You then have rounds 20-24 (which is five rounds) where 14 teams will play 5 games (23 games for the season) and 5 teams will only play 4 games (22 for the season).

You then have a round 25 to make up the difference, where those 5 teams play a game against one of the other teams… oh… you would have 1 team left over still on 22 games…

Why do 14 teams have to play 5 games? Can't they all receive a bye in that time?

For those 14 teams, you could extract 7 games from rounds 20-24 (one game with a pair of each of the 14 teams) and play them in round 25, but you still get left with that one team who plays one less game.

For them to play the same number of games as everyone else, someone else must play them and which means they play one more game than everyone else.

It seems like you need to have an even number of teams in the comp, or you need to have an even number of games in the season, or an even number of both.

You can’t have an odd number of teams in the comp and an odd number of games in the season and ensure every team has the same number of games.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

For those 14 teams, you could extract 7 games from rounds 20-24 (one game with a pair of each of the 14 teams) and play them in round 25, but you still get left with that one team who plays one less game.

No, you just add more byes. Two further teams go on bye in each of weeks 20, 21 and 22, then four further teams in weeks 23 and 24. Everyone ends on 22 games.

It seems like you need to have an even number of teams in the comp, or you need to have an even number of games in the season, or an even number of both.

You can’t have an odd number of teams in the comp and an odd number of games in the season and ensure every team has the same number of games.

Correct, I'm suggesting they all play 22 games. Teen Wolf was right. The simplest way to conceptualise is to talk about spots rather than games.

 

[The_Wookie]

You can’t have an odd number of teams in the comp and an odd number of games in the season and ensure every team has the same number of games.

You can. Its literally been done 3 times before between the Crows starting and Freo joining. It just becomes a matter of juggling byes around the place. For example: 11 home games/209 games per season

Round	Matches	Bye Teams
1​	9​	1​
2​	9​	1​
3​	9​	1​
4​	9​	1​
5​	9​	1​
6​	9​	1​
7​	8​	3​
8​	8​	3​
9​	8​	3​
10​	8​	3​
11​	9​	1​
12​	9​	1​
13​	9​	1​
14​	8​	3​
15​	8​	3​
16​	8​	3​
17​	9​	1​
18​	9​	1​
19​	9​	1​
20​	9​	1​
21​	9​	1​
22​	9​	1​
23​	9​	1​
24​	9​	1​
Total	209​	38​

 

[Teen Wolf]

You can. Its literally been done 3 times before between the Crows starting and Freo joining. It just becomes a matter of juggling byes around the place.

Once again: no you can't, and no it hasn't. That was 15 teams x 22 games. Not 15 x 11.

Simplest example: a 3-team league (odd number), with each team playing 1 game (also an odd number).

Team A plays Team B
Team C has nobody to play, can't be solved with byes.

It's the exact same problem for 3 teams x 1 game as it is for 19 teams x 23 games.

 

[The_Wookie]

Once again: no you can't, and no it hasn't. That was 15 teams x 22 games. Not 15 x 11.

Dude just say you dont understand the fixturing process. 15 teams played 22 games - but only 11 home games = 165 matches. Not 330. You can verify that through AFltables if you need to.

Since 2012, with limited exceptions, there has been 198 games in the home and away season - this is 18 teams x 11 home games. Not 18 teams x 22 games each. Tasmania adds 11 games to that schedule.

Simplest example: a 3-team league (odd number), with each team playing 1 game (also an odd number).

Team A plays Team B
Team C has nobody to play, can't be solved with byes.

It's the exact same problem for 3 teams x 1 game as it is for 19 teams x 23 games.

Once again: it literally can. 5 minutes with an online fixture generator proves you can generate 19 teams x 11 home games each (playing 22 games each), with 2 byes each, in 24 rounds. See above.

Your mistake is the 22 games thing. The fixture is currently decided by 11 home games per team x 18 = 198 matches per season. Its not 18 teams x 22 matches. (396 matches)

Likewise its 19 teams x 11 home games = 209 matches. Not 19 x 22 matches (418 matches)

Proof: Fixture in PDF generated by 19 teams playing 22 games over 24 rounds.


Round 1

Sydney : North Melbourne	Greater Western Sydney : Port Adelaide
Gold Coast : Geelong	St KIlda : Essendon
Tasmania : Adelaide	Collingwood : Western Bulldogs
Melbourne : West Coast	Fremantle : Richmond

Round 2

Carlton : Sydney	Greater Western Sydney : St KIlda
Adelaide : Western Bulldogs	Gold Coast : West Coast
Hawthorn : North Melbourne	Essendon : Port Adelaide
Geelong : Richmond	Fremantle : Melbourne
Greater Western Sydney : Tasmania

Round 3

Collingwood : Carlton	Richmond : Gold Coast
West Coast : Tasmania	Fremantle : Brisbane
Sydney : Greater Western Sydney	Western Bulldogs : Geelong
Hawthorn : St KIlda	North Melbourne : Adelaide
Melbourne : Essendon

Round 4

Greater Western Sydney : Collingwood	Tasmania : Richmond
Adelaide : St KIlda	Hawthorn : Sydney
Gold Coast : Western Bulldogs	Carlton : Fremantle
Port Adelaide : Brisbane	Geelong : North Melbourne

Round 5

Sydney : Adelaide	North Melbourne : Gold Coast
Fremantle : Greater Western Sydney	Western Bulldogs : Tasmania
West Coast : Port Adelaide	Brisbane : Essendon
Collingwood : Hawthorn	Melbourne : Carlton

Round 6

Geelong : Sydney	Fremantle : Adelaide
Richmond : Brisbane	Gold Coast : St KIlda
Western Bulldogs : Port Adelaide	West Coast : Essendon
Melbourne : Hawthorn	Carlton : Greater Western Sydney

Round 7

Greater Western Sydney : Hawthorn	Geelong : Fremantle
North Melbourne : Brisbane	Carlton : Adelaide
Melbourne : Port Adelaide	Tasmania : Sydney
Richmond : Essendon	Western Bulldogs : West Coast
Gold Coast : Collingwood

Round 8

Geelong : Melbourne	Collingwood : Tasmania
Adelaide : Greater Western Sydney	Fremantle : Gold Coast
Richmond : Western Bulldogs	Essendon : Hawthorn
St KIlda : Port Adelaide	West Coast : North Melbourne

Round 9

Port Adelaide : Sydney	Gold Coast : Melbourne
Brisbane : St KIlda	Geelong : Carlton
Western Bulldogs : Essendon	Collingwood : West Coast
North Melbourne : Richmond	Tasmania : Fremantle
Hawthorn : Adelaide

Round 10

Collingwood : Port Adelaide	Greater Western Sydney : Geelong
Sydney : Brisbane	Melbourne : Tasmania
Carlton : Gold Coast	Essendon : Adelaide
North Melbourne : Western Bulldogs	St KIlda : West Coast

Round 11

North Melbourne : Essendon	Port Adelaide : Fremantle
Geelong : Hawthorn	Gold Coast : Greater Western Sydney
Brisbane : Collingwood	West Coast : Sydney
Tasmania : Carlton	Richmond : St KIlda

Round 12

West Coast : Geelong	St KIlda : Carlton
North Melbourne : Greater Western Sydney	Sydney : Richmond
Richmond : Adelaide	Western Bulldogs : Hawthorn
Tasmania : Brisbane	Essendon : Fremantle
Melbourne : Collingwood

Round 13

Adelaide : Hawthorn	Geelong : Greater Western Sydney
St KIlda : Western Bulldogs	Port Adelaide : Collingwood
Richmond : North Melbourne	Gold Coast : Carlton
West Coast : St KIlda	Brisbane : Sydney
Tasmania : Melbourne

Round 14

Essendon : Tasmania	North Melbourne : Melbourne
Sydney : Collingwood	Port Adelaide : Geelong
Carlton : Richmond	Hawthorn : Gold Coast
Greater Western Sydney : West Coast	St KIlda : Fremantle
Brisbane : Adelaide

Round 15

Gold Coast : Port Adelaide	Fremantle : Sydney
Richmond : Greater Western Sydney	Geelong : Brisbane
West Coast : Hawthorn	Melbourne : St KIlda
Adelaide : Geelong	Western Bulldogs : Carlton
Essendon : Collingwood

Round 16

Essendon : North Melbourne	Tasmania : Greater Western Sydney
Gold Coast : Hawthorn	Richmond : Sydney
Western Bulldogs : St KIlda	West Coast : Collingwood
Port Adelaide : Melbourne	Port Adelaide : Carlton
Brisbane : Fremantle

Round 17

Tasmania : Gold Coast	Adelaide : Port Adelaide
Melbourne : Western Bulldogs	Hawthorn : Brisbane
Fremantle : North Melbourne	Richmond : Collingwood
West Coast : Carlton	Sydney : Essendon
Collingwood : St KIlda

Round 18

Sydney : Gold Coast	Essendon : Greater Western Sydney
Port Adelaide : North Melbourne	Hawthorn : Carlton
Adelaide : Melbourne	Collingwood : Geelong
Brisbane : Western Bulldogs	West Coast : Fremantle
St KIlda : Tasmania

Round 19

Collingwood : Brisbane	Hawthorn : Geelong
Adelaide : Essendon	Greater Western Sydney : Gold Coast
Fremantle : Port Adelaide	North Melbourne : St KIlda
Carlton : Tasmania	Sydney : West Coast
St KIlda : Richmond

Round 20

Fremantle : West Coast	Adelaide : Gold Coast
Collingwood : Richmond	Tasmania : Hawthorn
St KIlda : North Melbourne	Carlton : Port Adelaide
Essendon : Geelong	Brisbane : Melbourne
Western Bulldogs : Sydney

Round 21

Port Adelaide : Hawthorn	St KIlda : Sydney
Western Bulldogs : Fremantle	Brisbane : Greater Western Sydney
North Melbourne : Collingwood	Carlton : Brisbane
Richmond : Melbourne	Geelong : Tasmania
Gold Coast : Adelaide

Round 22

Essendon : Carlton	Greater Western Sydney : Melbourne
Port Adelaide : Richmond	St KIlda : Geelong
Sydney : Western Bulldogs	Brisbane : West Coast
Adelaide : Collingwood	Hawthorn : Fremantle
Tasmania : North Melbourne

Round 23

Western Bulldogs : Richmond	Essendon : Western Bulldogs
Hawthorn : Essendon	Fremantle : Tasmania
Melbourne : Gold Coast	Greater Western Sydney : Adelaide
Carlton : Geelong	North Melbourne : West Coast
Melbourne : Brisbane

Round 24

Adelaide : West Coast	Port Adelaide : Tasmania
Geelong : Essendon	Sydney : Melbourne
Hawthorn : Richmond	Collingwood : Fremantle
Brisbane : Gold Coast	Carlton : North Melbourne
Greater Western Sydney : Western Bulldogs

 

[Teen Wolf]

Once again: it literally can. 5 minutes with an online fixture generator proves you can generate 19 teams x 11 home games each (playing 22 games each), with 2 byes each, in 24 rounds. See above.

Your mistake is the 22 games thing. The fixture is currently decided by 11 home games per team x 18 = 198 matches per season. Its not 18 teams x 22 matches. (396 matches)

Likewise its 19 teams x 11 home games = 209 matches. Not 19 x 22 matches (418 matches)

Proof: Fixture in PDF generated by 19 teams playing 22 games over 24 rounds.


Round 1

Sydney : North Melbourne	Greater Western Sydney : Port Adelaide
Gold Coast : Geelong	St KIlda : Essendon
Tasmania : Adelaide	Collingwood : Western Bulldogs
Melbourne : West Coast	Fremantle : Richmond

Round 2

Carlton : Sydney	Greater Western Sydney : St KIlda
Adelaide : Western Bulldogs	Gold Coast : West Coast
Hawthorn : North Melbourne	Essendon : Port Adelaide
Geelong : Richmond	Fremantle : Melbourne
Greater Western Sydney : Tasmania

Round 3

Collingwood : Carlton	Richmond : Gold Coast
West Coast : Tasmania	Fremantle : Brisbane
Sydney : Greater Western Sydney	Western Bulldogs : Geelong
Hawthorn : St KIlda	North Melbourne : Adelaide
Melbourne : Essendon

Round 4

Greater Western Sydney : Collingwood	Tasmania : Richmond
Adelaide : St KIlda	Hawthorn : Sydney
Gold Coast : Western Bulldogs	Carlton : Fremantle
Port Adelaide : Brisbane	Geelong : North Melbourne

Round 5

Sydney : Adelaide	North Melbourne : Gold Coast
Fremantle : Greater Western Sydney	Western Bulldogs : Tasmania
West Coast : Port Adelaide	Brisbane : Essendon
Collingwood : Hawthorn	Melbourne : Carlton

Round 6

Geelong : Sydney	Fremantle : Adelaide
Richmond : Brisbane	Gold Coast : St KIlda
Western Bulldogs : Port Adelaide	West Coast : Essendon
Melbourne : Hawthorn	Carlton : Greater Western Sydney

Round 7

Greater Western Sydney : Hawthorn	Geelong : Fremantle
North Melbourne : Brisbane	Carlton : Adelaide
Melbourne : Port Adelaide	Tasmania : Sydney
Richmond : Essendon	Western Bulldogs : West Coast
Gold Coast : Collingwood

Round 8

Geelong : Melbourne	Collingwood : Tasmania
Adelaide : Greater Western Sydney	Fremantle : Gold Coast
Richmond : Western Bulldogs	Essendon : Hawthorn
St KIlda : Port Adelaide	West Coast : North Melbourne

Round 9

Port Adelaide : Sydney	Gold Coast : Melbourne
Brisbane : St KIlda	Geelong : Carlton
Western Bulldogs : Essendon	Collingwood : West Coast
North Melbourne : Richmond	Tasmania : Fremantle
Hawthorn : Adelaide

Round 10

Collingwood : Port Adelaide	Greater Western Sydney : Geelong
Sydney : Brisbane	Melbourne : Tasmania
Carlton : Gold Coast	Essendon : Adelaide
North Melbourne : Western Bulldogs	St KIlda : West Coast

Round 11

North Melbourne : Essendon	Port Adelaide : Fremantle
Geelong : Hawthorn	Gold Coast : Greater Western Sydney
Brisbane : Collingwood	West Coast : Sydney
Tasmania : Carlton	Richmond : St KIlda

Round 12

West Coast : Geelong	St KIlda : Carlton
North Melbourne : Greater Western Sydney	Sydney : Richmond
Richmond : Adelaide	Western Bulldogs : Hawthorn
Tasmania : Brisbane	Essendon : Fremantle
Melbourne : Collingwood

Round 13

Adelaide : Hawthorn	Geelong : Greater Western Sydney
St KIlda : Western Bulldogs	Port Adelaide : Collingwood
Richmond : North Melbourne	Gold Coast : Carlton
West Coast : St KIlda	Brisbane : Sydney
Tasmania : Melbourne

Round 14

Essendon : Tasmania	North Melbourne : Melbourne
Sydney : Collingwood	Port Adelaide : Geelong
Carlton : Richmond	Hawthorn : Gold Coast
Greater Western Sydney : West Coast	St KIlda : Fremantle
Brisbane : Adelaide

Round 15

Gold Coast : Port Adelaide	Fremantle : Sydney
Richmond : Greater Western Sydney	Geelong : Brisbane
West Coast : Hawthorn	Melbourne : St KIlda
Adelaide : Geelong	Western Bulldogs : Carlton
Essendon : Collingwood

Round 16

Essendon : North Melbourne	Tasmania : Greater Western Sydney
Gold Coast : Hawthorn	Richmond : Sydney
Western Bulldogs : St KIlda	West Coast : Collingwood
Port Adelaide : Melbourne	Port Adelaide : Carlton
Brisbane : Fremantle

Round 17

Tasmania : Gold Coast	Adelaide : Port Adelaide
Melbourne : Western Bulldogs	Hawthorn : Brisbane
Fremantle : North Melbourne	Richmond : Collingwood
West Coast : Carlton	Sydney : Essendon
Collingwood : St KIlda

Round 18

Sydney : Gold Coast	Essendon : Greater Western Sydney
Port Adelaide : North Melbourne	Hawthorn : Carlton
Adelaide : Melbourne	Collingwood : Geelong
Brisbane : Western Bulldogs	West Coast : Fremantle
St KIlda : Tasmania

Round 19

Collingwood : Brisbane	Hawthorn : Geelong
Adelaide : Essendon	Greater Western Sydney : Gold Coast
Fremantle : Port Adelaide	North Melbourne : St KIlda
Carlton : Tasmania	Sydney : West Coast
St KIlda : Richmond

Round 20

Fremantle : West Coast	Adelaide : Gold Coast
Collingwood : Richmond	Tasmania : Hawthorn
St KIlda : North Melbourne	Carlton : Port Adelaide
Essendon : Geelong	Brisbane : Melbourne
Western Bulldogs : Sydney

Round 21

Port Adelaide : Hawthorn	St KIlda : Sydney
Western Bulldogs : Fremantle	Brisbane : Greater Western Sydney
North Melbourne : Collingwood	Carlton : Brisbane
Richmond : Melbourne	Geelong : Tasmania
Gold Coast : Adelaide

Round 22

Essendon : Carlton	Greater Western Sydney : Melbourne
Port Adelaide : Richmond	St KIlda : Geelong
Sydney : Western Bulldogs	Brisbane : West Coast
Adelaide : Collingwood	Hawthorn : Fremantle
Tasmania : North Melbourne

Round 23

Western Bulldogs : Richmond	Essendon : Western Bulldogs
Hawthorn : Essendon	Fremantle : Tasmania
Melbourne : Gold Coast	Greater Western Sydney : Adelaide
Carlton : Geelong	North Melbourne : West Coast
Melbourne : Brisbane

Round 24

Adelaide : West Coast	Port Adelaide : Tasmania
Geelong : Essendon	Sydney : Melbourne
Hawthorn : Richmond	Collingwood : Fremantle
Brisbane : Gold Coast	Carlton : North Melbourne
Greater Western Sydney : Western Bulldogs

We are all well aware that you can have 19 teams with 11 home games and 11 away games, i.e. 19 x 22. This is not being disputed.

This has nothing to do with the addition of Gather Round in a 19-team comp, which will result in 18 teams with 11 home games, 11 away games, 1 GR game (23 in total) AND 1 team with 11 home games, 11 away games, 0 GR games (22 in total).

 

[The_Wookie]

We are all well aware that you can have 19 teams with 11 home games and 11 away games, i.e. 19 x 22. This is not being disputed.

This has nothing to do with the addition of Gather Round in a 19-team comp, which will result in 18 teams with 11 home games, 11 away games, 1 GR game (23 in total) AND 1 team with 11 home games, 11 away games, 0 GR games (22 in total).

Someone will miss out and the world will not end. The NRL literally did this on the weekend. The AFL already noted that Gather Round is not counted as a home game for any team.

 

[Teen Wolf]

Someone will miss out and the world will not end. The NRL literally did this on the weekend. The AFL already noted that Gather Round is not counted as a home game for any team.

Sorry dude but you're totally missing the point.

At the end of the season, the ladder needs to show that all teams have played the same number of games. Whether it's 22, 23 or 24.

 

[kranger]

You can’t have an odd number of teams in the comp and an odd number of games in the season and ensure every team has the same number of games.

You can. Its literally been done 3 times before between the Crows starting and Freo joining. It just becomes a matter of juggling byes around the place. For example: 11 home games/209 games per season

Sorry wookie, I’m not talking about every team having an odd or even number of ‘home games’.

I’m taking about every team can’t play an odd number of games in the season (home, away or neutral location). Whether it be teams play 19 games, 21 games, 23 games etc. In instances that there is an odd number of teams as well.

So come the end of the season, and looking at the ladder, where it says every team has played 23 games, with however many wins and losses and draws.

If you arrange for the teams to have an odd number of games in the season, one team will have played one less game. And that potentially means they have had one less chance to win premiership points and therefore may miss finals as a result of playing less games in the season.

 

[The_Wookie]

Sorry dude but you're totally missing the point.

At the end of the season, the ladder needs to show that all teams have played the same number of games. Whether it's 22, 23 or 24.

ok i might have been a little slow on the uptake.

 

[kranger]

ok i might have been a little slow on the uptake.

It’s ok. It took me until half way into writing my post saying ‘it was an incorrect use of numbers’, before I realised.

 

[The_Wookie]

It’s ok. It took me until half way into writing my post saying ‘it was an incorrect use of numbers’, before I realised.

Honestly dont know where my head was lol

 

[The_Wookie]

Food-related spending was down this month, with falls in both cafes, restaurants and takeaway food services (-0.2 per cent) and food retailing (-0.1 per cent). Food retailing recorded its first fall following 13 straight monthly rises.

“The modest fall in food-related spending comes after a period of consistent growth driven largely by high food inflation,” Mr Dorber said.

“Spending at cafes, restaurants and takeaway food services remains at a particularly high level despite the fall in April, with turnover up 13.3 per cent compared to this time last year.”

"Spending has also been boosted by the return of large-scale sporting and cultural events.”

There were mixed results across the states and territories with four falls and three rises, while the Northern Territory remained unchanged.

Tasmania (-1.5 per cent) recorded the largest drop, followed by falls in New South Wales, Victoria, and the Australian Capital Territory. The largest rise was recorded in Western Australia (+1.0 per cent) followed by smaller rises in South Australia and Queensland.

“Turnover is at a record level in South Australia following three straight rises of 0.6 per cent and boosted by the inaugural AFL Gather Round and LIV Golf Adelaide tournament this month,” Mr Dorber said.

Retail sales flat in April

www.abs.gov.au