Strategy Back of House Discussion: Targets, Changes, Appointments & Facilities

[mattyc75]

As I understood it, the plan was to take Allen at 13 which would have been fine as he’s shown that wouldn’t have been a reach despite the view at the time. That plan was tossed aside when Brander unexpectedly got through to our pick as the recruiters had him ranked higher

The expectation was Allen would be gone by our next pick but they took the higher rated player on their board

When Allen was still there they again went on best player available and took him

Then Geelong ****ed it all up

Allen, Kelly, Ryan would have been ideal but it wasn’t to be

Made a blue with Brander but that happens to every club. Unfortunately for us the knock on was we missed Kelly which created a ripple effect that to an extent we’re still dealing with

It's odd as brander did absolutely nothing in his draft year

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[Farang83150]

It's odd as brander did absolutely nothing in his draft year

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Or his playing years

 

[Rowan18]

As I understood it, the plan was to take Allen at 13 which would have been fine as he’s shown that wouldn’t have been a reach despite the view at the time. That plan was tossed aside when Brander unexpectedly got through to our pick as the recruiters had him ranked higher

The expectation was Allen would be gone by our next pick but they took the higher rated player on their board

When Allen was still there they again went on best player available and took him

Then Geelong ****ed it all up

Allen, Kelly, Ryan would have been ideal but it wasn’t to be

Made a blue with Brander but that happens to every club. Unfortunately for us the knock on was we missed Kelly which created a ripple effect that to an extent we’re still dealing with

Ah, that makes sense.

 

[06Premiers]

As I understood it, the plan was to take Allen at 13 which would have been fine as he’s shown that wouldn’t have been a reach despite the view at the time. That plan was tossed aside when Brander unexpectedly got through to our pick as the recruiters had him ranked higher

The expectation was Allen would be gone by our next pick but they took the higher rated player on their board

When Allen was still there they again went on best player available and took him

Then Geelong ****ed it all up

Allen, Kelly, Ryan would have been ideal but it wasn’t to be

Made a blue with Brander but that happens to every club. Unfortunately for us the knock on was we missed Kelly which created a ripple effect that to an extent we’re still dealing with

Compounded by refusing to include Brander in a trade for TK.

Been done to death, but we could quite easily have kept the later 2019 picks & drafted Warner or Rivers.

 

[Priddis Is Done]

It's odd as brander did absolutely nothing in his draft year

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Not odd at all.

Showed something once at under 16's was our call to arms for many years. If injured for 2 years, even better.

 

[FKASC]

It's odd as brander did absolutely nothing in his draft year

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That’s one of ROB’s hallmarks

 

[Ghossein]

Kelly and Ryan being more mature players in that draft you can see the calculation West Coast made, you wouldn't normally expect a club to use pick 24 (Kelly) on a mature player. West coast held picks 26 and 32 after the Allen pick (21) and calculated they would be able to get Ryan and Kelly at that position.

Even if West Coast used pick 13 on Allen then proceeded to use pick 21 on Ryan, Geelong could have still taken Kelly at 24.

If the plan was to instead take Kelly at pick 21 (again, a fairly high pick for a mature player that had already nominated for multiple drafts) and take Ryan with a later pick, it would have opened up the doors for another club to poach him.

tldr: It's not clear we would have been able to get Allen Ryan and Kelly even if we passed on Brander

 

[mattyc75]

Kelly and Ryan being more mature players in that draft you can see the calculation West Coast made, you wouldn't normally expect a club to use pick 24 (Kelly) on a mature player. West coast held picks 26 and 32 after the Allen pick (21) and calculated they would be able to get Ryan and Kelly at that position.

Even if West Coast used pick 13 on Allen then proceeded to use pick 21 on Ryan, Geelong could have still taken Kelly at 24.

If the plan was to instead take Kelly at pick 21 (again, a fairly high pick for a mature player that had already nominated for multiple drafts) and take Ryan with a later pick, it would have opened up the doors for another club to poach him.

tldr: It's not clear we would have been able to get Allen Ryan and Kelly even if we passed on Brander

Obviously we don't know how it wouldve played out but clearly on what we know now and even going into the draft with branders form for the year it was the wrong move. We honestly just lucky that Allen was available

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[flamingEMBERS]

Kelly and Ryan being more mature players in that draft you can see the calculation West Coast made, you wouldn't normally expect a club to use pick 24 (Kelly) on a mature player. West coast held picks 26 and 32 after the Allen pick (21) and calculated they would be able to get Ryan and Kelly at that position.

Even if West Coast used pick 13 on Allen then proceeded to use pick 21 on Ryan, Geelong could have still taken Kelly at 24.

If the plan was to instead take Kelly at pick 21 (again, a fairly high pick for a mature player that had already nominated for multiple drafts) and take Ryan with a later pick, it would have opened up the doors for another club to poach him.

tldr: It's not clear we would have been able to get Allen Ryan and Kelly even if we passed on Brander

And had we got Kelly would we have won the flag with the whole butterfly effect especially as our midfield would have operated very differently

 

[Doashuey]

And had we got Kelly would we have won the flag with the whole butterfly effect especially as our midfield would have operated very differently

Id say yes. Vennables would have been the one to make way and Kelly was a potent forward threat that year. Venners had little impact in that GF but Im glad he got a medal to show for his too short stint in the AFL.

 

[BOND 007]

Did well taking the best player with the first pick...
Not sure I think the rest of the draft was that great given the info after about the offers that were made for pick 30.
That last few years have been great but he was asleep at the wheel for a few years before that. Sure Allen fell into his lap fortuitously but the brander pick was horrid

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Disagree on several fronts.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Disagree on several fronts.

Agree, the Brander pick was worse than horrid.

 

[Obeanie1]

And had we got Kelly would we have won the flag with the whole butterfly effect especially as our midfield would have operated very differently

Would Sheed have played?

He was in and out of that side until Gaff was suspended.

 

[southcoast]

Anyone got this?

Rebuild underway with sweeping changes at West Coast

West Coast’s rebuild is well underway with sweeping changes on and off the field. Ahead of the club’s 2024 AFL, AFLW and WAFL seasons, The West takes a look at who is in and who’s out at the Eagles.

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[Keys]

Anyone got this?

Rebuild underway with sweeping changes at West Coast

West Coast’s rebuild is well underway with sweeping changes on and off the field. Ahead of the club’s 2024 AFL, AFLW and WAFL seasons, The West takes a look at who is in and who’s out at the Eagles.

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It’s a junk article that is just a rehash of who’s left and who’s come in without any real analysis of what the changes mean either individually or collectively

It also contains simple factual errors
• Mark Kilgallon joined the club 12 months ago not this offseason as the article states
• It also mentions Fitzpatrick replacing Gibbs as Chairman days after the announcement in September that Nisbett was leaving. That change was also made last year. Further it was Deputy Chairman, Liz Gaines, making that announcement and not Fitzpatrick who was away at the time
• Going through the assistant coach changes the departure of Daniel Pratt is omitted. As is the change in role away from coaching for Nicoski
• Takes the trouble to include Ruscoe as an addition to the WAFL side but then doesn’t mention Gilbee. Or the departure of Alec Waterman from that side

They’re all easy things to get right but The West isn’t big on research

I’ve also noticed that more recently Samantha Rogers has been doing WCE articles and splinters has been sent to Cockburn

Anyway, here’s the article

West Coast rebuild underway with sweeping changes on and off the field, across AFL, AFLW and WAFL
Samantha Rogers
The West Australian
Sat, 16 December 2023 10:58AM
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It’s been almost six months since the first domino fell at West Coast.
And since then, they’ve kept falling... and falling... and falling.
First, it was fitness boss Warren Kofoed, whose departure was announced following the Eagles’ worst-ever loss, a 171-point thrashing at the hands of Sydney in June.
The departure of the long-serving strength and conditioning coach, who had been in the role since 2008, followed a second consecutive season with the list decimated by injuries.
Across that period, the club had regularly picked a team from as few as 25 fit players.
The Eagles boosted their fitness department this off-season, bringing in high performance manager Mathew Inness and new strength and conditioning gurus Mark Kilgallon and Paul Turk.

Captain Luke Shuey, premiership skipper Shannon Hurn and the club’s most marketable player, Nic Naitanui, all announced their retirements in August.
The trio had played almost 800 games between them with Hurn calling time as the club’s games-record holder, with 333 games across 18 seasons.
The search for chief executive Trevor Nisbett’s successor was then officially announced in September, while chairman Russell Gibbs’s replacement Paul Fitzpatrick stepped into the role days later.
Nisbett’s tenure was perhaps the most remarkable, stretching 25 years in the position. Don Pyke will step into the CEO role in January.
Pyke, a dual premiership player with West Coast, brings a mixture of football knowledge and business ethos.
The first AFLW domino fell in October when controversial coach Michael Prior stood down.
Prior led the club to just five wins across three seasons and drew criticism for an outspoken response to concerns raised about the club’s lack of a Pride jumper in 2022.

The final straw was Prior’s whinge about what he labelled the league’s unfair AFLW fixture in 2023.
Next, WAFL coach Rob Wiley was officially replaced by former Subiaco star Kyal Horsley, promoted from a development role, in November.
After ushering in another crop of draftees, long-serving list manager Rohan O’Brien then called time in December after 33 years at the club across various senior recruiting positions.
Among those to survive the avalanche are AFL coach Adam Simpson and football boss Gavin Bell, while Michelle Cowan continues to lead the women’s program and Emma Swanson is likely to retain captaincy in 2024.
Around them, new faces have already popped up in most of the vacated roles, including the bombshell announcement this week that AFLW great Daisy Pearce will be the club’s new senior women’s coach.
Pearce was described by the club as “one of the biggest recruiting coups of their history”. The Melbourne premiership captain is recognised as one of the competition’s pioneering players, retiring from her decorated career in January.

The 35-year-old is expected to continue her commentary role with Seven, where she is a respected and popular analyst.
A further restructure of the men’s coaching group has also seen moves for Luke Webster (backline), Matthew Knights (forwards) and Jarrad Schofield (midfield).
Meanwhile, Shuey has found a new home off-field as stoppages coach after relinquishing the captaincy with his retirement.
For the second time in club history, co-captains have been appointed in star forward Oscar Allen and experienced defender Liam Duggan.
The pair will lead a relatively new-look list, with nine players moved on from 2023 and eight new faces in the fold through the draft, free agency and trade periods.
No.1 draft pick Harley Reid made the biggest splash this off-season, while the club also brought in Archer Reid, Harvey Johnston, Clay Hall entered through the national draft, while the club also added rookies Loch Rawlinson and Coen Livingstone.

Tyler Brockman (from Hawthorn) and Matt Flynn (from Greater Western Sydney) completed the Eagles’ off-season recruiting, while former Collingwood defender Trey Ruscoe signed with the WAFL team for next season.
As the dust settles from a busy off-season, the rebuild is clearly underway in a big way at West Coast. The only question now is, will the new structure hold firm in 2024?

 

[southcoast]

It’s a junk article that is just a rehash of who’s left and who’s come in without any real analysis of what the changes mean either individually or collectively

It also contains simple factual errors
• Mark Kilgallon joined the club 12 months ago not this offseason as the article states
• It also mentions Fitzpatrick replacing Gibbs as Chairman days after the announcement in September that Nisbett was leaving. That change was also made last year. Further it was Deputy Chairman, Liz Gaines, making that announcement and not Fitzpatrick who was away at the time
• Going through the assistant coach changes the departure of Daniel Pratt is omitted. As is the change in role away from coaching for Nicoski
• Takes the trouble to include Ruscoe as an addition to the WAFL side but then doesn’t mention Gilbee. Or the departure of Alec Waterman from that side

They’re all easy things to get right but The West isn’t big on research

I’ve also noticed that more recently Samantha Rogers has been doing WCE articles and splinters has been sent to Cockburn

Anyway, here’s the article

Thanks Keys.

Silly me expecting to see a factual summary, all in one place. No Christmas gift for me.


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[triplegee]

The doctor the latest to move on...

https://archive.md/K2I6o

 

[Keys]

The doctor the latest to move on...

https://archive.md/K2I6o

Opening paragraph

West Coast’s long-time doctor Alex Strahan – who was at the helm during two of the highest profile concussion cases in AFL history – has departed after more than a decade.

Spends at least 50% of the article detailing the Sheppard and Venables concussions making a clear connection even though both players departed 2 to 3 years ago

But its fine because randomly inserted is this qualification

The West Australian is not suggesting Strahan’s departure is connected with the Venables and Sheppard concussions.

Yeah, of course you’re not because you don’t want to get sued but you still want to put the link out there

Such a shit organisation is the west

 

[squashface]

Such a s**t organisation is the west

Should pin this line at the top of the media thread

 

[Convocation]

Now at 25 years of age, I would love to have seen what kind of player Daniel would have become. Some real moments in the below highlights package.

 

[Boohemian]

Now at 25 years of age, I would love to have seen what kind of player Daniel would have become. Some real moments in the below highlights package.

Probably would have played footy as well as he pulls the ladies.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Now at 25 years of age, I would love to have seen what kind of player Daniel would have become. Some real moments in the below highlights package.

Would have been our new whipping boy as his output never really improves.

 

[Cuzz09]

Probably would've been our best mid.

If never got injured

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[garlic munchers]

Would Sheed have played?

He was in and out of that side until Gaff was suspended.

That kick aside, his last quarter was epic with so many game changing deft touches/sheppards and gut busting running.

Rarely been the same since.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

That kick aside, his last quarter was epic with so many game changing deft touches/sheppards and gut busting running.

Rarely been the same since.

I remember him being very good at the start of 2019 too.