List Mgmt. Best young key forward in the game

[g_TRAIN]

Wasn't champion data saying that Mitch Owens was the best key forward in the game (age not even considered) on form a few weeks ago. Can't have em all Saints!

I don't think anyone thinks Mitch will play KF his whole career.

He's going to end up a goal-kicking mid.

 

[g_TRAIN]

I mean it's still the King brothers, only 22 years of age still and no way near their prime yet.

 

[The Hobo]

Oscar Allen just entered the chat

looks set to be a star

Yup, he's the one for me. Doesn't get the same hype as others because of the #VICBIAS.

Would take him over the Kings

 

[The Hobo]

Amiss(19yr) showing good signs for the future
3 goals 2 assist 7 marks (4contested)
Playing on siss

Good start, though still early days. The challenge will be when teams wake up and start paying him more respect and plan to shut him down etc.

 

[Elmer_Judd]

Yup, he's the one for me. Doesn't get the same hype as others because of the #VICBIAS.

Would take him over the Kings

Vic Bias ? Hardly, he has had 2 good years ox footy wrecked by injury (not his fault obviously) and currently playing for the worst/least talented team since Fitzroy 96.

He is a gun no doubt, but I don't think he is being underrated for the reasons you think tbh.

I think he is better than Max King but not Ben myself.

 

[Dazb86]

Yup, he's the one for me. Doesn't get the same hype as others because of the #VICBIAS.

Would take him over the Kings

Yeah vic bias

 

[The Hobo]

Vic Bias ? Hardly, he has had 2 good years ox footy wrecked by injury (not his fault obviously) and currently playing for the worst/least talented team since Fitzroy 96.

He is a gun no doubt, but I don't think he is being underrated for the reasons you think tbh.

I think he is better than Max King but not Ben myself.

Both Kings have also been very injury interrupted over the past two seasons, yet they still get put at the top of these lists.

Playing at a club that has won something like 2 or 3 games in their last 35 makes it even more impressive for him to be doing what he's doing.

The fact he doesn't even make these conversations is why I called Vic bias. There's definitely an argument for Ben over Oscar etc. but they're all in the same territory for me, yet two get talked about ad-nauseum and one gets forgotten.

 

[BrutThough]

Both Kings have also been very injury interrupted over the past two seasons, yet they still get put at the top of these lists.

Playing at a club that has won something like 2 or 3 games in their last 35 makes it even more impressive for him to be doing what he's doing.

The fact he doesn't even make these conversations is why I called Vic bias. There's definitely an argument for Ben over Oscar etc. but they're all in the same territory for me, yet two get talked about ad-nauseum and one gets forgotten.

It's easy to call Vic Bias instead of looking at the output of all 3 for their careers so far. While I know Allen was playing behind JJK compared to the Kings being the main forward, taking on the responsibility of being the number 1 at 19/20 would also contribute to them being talked about more.

Just looking at goal tallies, this will be the first year Allen will kick over 30 goals a season. Ben did it in 2021 and on track to do it again while Max has done it in 2/3 seasons he's played and still a chance to do it this year despite missing the first 9 games.

 

[Mags98]

It's easy to call Vic Bias instead of looking at the output of all 3 for their careers so far. While I know Allen was playing behind JJK compared to the Kings being the main forward, taking on the responsibility of being the number 1 at 19/20 would also contribute to them being talked about more.

Just looking at goal tallies, this will be the first year Allen will kick over 30 goals a season. Ben did it in 2021 and on track to do it again while Max has done it in 2/3 seasons he's played and still a chance to do it this year despite missing the first 9 games.

allen has played all over the ground though correct me if im wrong? not a super fair comparison

 

[The Hobo]

allen has played all over the ground though correct me if im wrong? not a super fair comparison

Correct, played ruck and defence as well

 

[BrutThough]

allen has played all over the ground though correct me if im wrong? not a super fair comparison

It's not as if he was playing full seasons in defence.

It's year 6 and he is starting to match what each King were producing in their 2nd/3rd year. That would be the main reason why the Kings are generally rated higher as young key forward prospects.

 

[aussierulesrules]

The fact he doesn't even make these conversations is why I called Vic bias. There's definitely an argument for Ben over Oscar etc. but they're all in the same territory for me, yet two get talked about ad-nauseum and one gets forgotten.

Lol, talk about an inferiority complex, can we get you a Kleenex!?

Do a search for “Allen” in this thread.

There are literally over 10 PAGES of posts regarding Oscar.

That’s an extraordinary amount of talk about a guy you claim “doesn’t even make these conversations” and is “forgotten”.

 

[gungho]

Going early (and biased) but jye amiss is like a young Matthew Lloyd. Good hands, good forward craft, deceptively strong and accurate left foot. Getting the better of jake lever

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Jake Lever

Age

28

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.6

4star

K

9.7

4star

HB

4.9

4star

M

5.4

5star

T

1.3

3star

MG

242.0

4star

D

9.6

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

3.1

2star

M

3.9

4star

T

1.3

2star

MG

145.4

3star

D

16.0

4star

K

11.0

4star

HB

5.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

189.8

4star

as a 19 year old is bloody impressive.

 

[Dazb86]

Both Kings have also been very injury interrupted over the past two seasons, yet they still get put at the top of these lists.

Playing at a club that has won something like 2 or 3 games in their last 35 makes it even more impressive for him to be doing what he's doing.

The fact he doesn't even make these conversations is why I called Vic bias. There's definitely an argument for Ben over Oscar etc. but they're all in the same territory for me, yet two get talked about ad-nauseum and one gets forgotten.

When Allen was young he was talked about in this thread. He's also played all over the field so far and has yet to kick a large number of goals in a season.

 

[TheUnicorn]

I mean it's still the King brothers, only 22 years of age still and no way near their prime yet.

s**t I thought they were old AF.

 

[Big Animal]

just some stats to add to the convo

 

[THE A5]

It's not as if he was playing full seasons in defence.

It's year 6 and he is starting to match what each King were producing in their 2nd/3rd year. That would be the main reason why the Kings are generally rated higher as young key forward prospects.

He played as fwd ruck mostly between 2019-2021 and had to play behind kennedy and Darling. Obviously he isn’t gonna have a huge goal tally

 

[Ricmel]

If Max King

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Max King

Age

23

Ht

202cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.3

2star

K

4.7

2star

HB

2.6

2star

M

2.7

3star

T

0.7

3star

G

1.4

5star

D

7.3

2star

K

4.7

2star

HB

2.6

2star

M

2.7

3star

T

0.7

1star

G

1.4

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

5.2

2star

HB

2.8

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

0.6

3star

G

1.4

5star

can stay fit I think we will see what he is really capable of over the next couple of years. He's had a shocking run - missed most of his pre-draft season, missed entire first year at AFL level and obviously first 9 game this year.

Has now kicked 82 goals in his last 31 games, has put on weight and looks more confident kicking for goal. If he gets a run at it I think he could do anything.

 

[BrutThough]

He played as fwd ruck mostly between 2019-2021 and had to play behind kennedy and Darling. Obviously he isn’t gonna have a huge goal tally

So that should explain why the two younger key forwards who have been the main target since day 1 at their clubs and been kicking more goals feature more prominently in these discussions than Allen has.

 

[Milanista28]

If Max King can stay fit I think we will see what he is really capable of over the next couple of years. He's had a shocking run - missed most of his pre-draft season, missed entire first year at AFL level and obviously first 9 game this year.

Has now kicked 82 goals in his last 31 games, has put on weight and looks more confident kicking for goal. If he gets a run at it I think he could do anything.

Not bad at all, hopefully we see him play the next 200 games injury free

 

[Dazb86]

If Max King can stay fit I think we will see what he is really capable of over the next couple of years. He's had a shocking run - missed most of his pre-draft season, missed entire first year at AFL level and obviously first 9 game this year.

Has now kicked 82 goals in his last 31 games, has put on weight and looks more confident kicking for goal. If he gets a run at it I think he could do anything.

Everything going right he's going to be a nightmare match up for most clubs

 

[RonnieRaven]

Good start, though still early days. The challenge will be when teams wake up and start paying him more respect and plan to shut him down etc.

Always someone trying to s**t on your parade!
He’s 19 our leading goal kicker.
Just like there’s scope for oppo tactics there’s massive scope to improve his game!
He hasn’t even played 20 games yet.

 

[JackOutback]

So that should explain why the two younger key forwards who have been the main target since day 1 at their clubs and been kicking more goals feature more prominently in these discussions than Allen has.

Yes, but it also explains why someone may think he's going to be better than many discussed. Team balance and structure doesn't mean a player is less good. Some are able to see beyond that.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

What is young?
Is it the specific age of a player, is it games experience, is it a mix of both?

 

[BrutThough]

Yes, but it also explains why someone may think he's going to be better than many discussed. Team balance and structure doesn't mean a player is less good. Some are able to see beyond that.

He may end up the best of all the key forwards. I was never disputing that.