Do your local police need armoured fighting vehicles?

[Smiling Buddha]

This article reveals that in the US:

*There are 80,000 SWAT raids every year.
*62% of all SWAT raids are drug-related.
*Only 7% of SWAT deployments are for hostage/shooter/barricade situations. 1 in every 14.
*In at least 36% of raids, no contraband of any kind is found.

Incredible. I will try to dig up stats for Australia.

 

[Resting88]

http://www.cato.org/raidmap

 

[Quivorir]

Got one for the other side of the argument? The successful raids? The necessary raids?

 

[Resting88]

Got one for the other side of the argument? The successful raids? The necessary raids?

how do you define a necessary raid?

 

[Quivorir]

How do you define an unnecessary raid?

 

[Resting88]

How do you define an unnecessary raid?

any raids where lives are not at risk.

 

[Illinois Nazi]

any raids where lives are not at risk.

How do you know that in advance?

 

[Resting88]

How do you know that in advance?

well if it is a hostage situation, then lives are at risk.

 

[Illinois Nazi]

well if it is a hostage situation, then lives are at risk.

So there are no other risky situations?

 

[Quivorir]

So do you have stats for the opposite end of the argument or what?

 

[checkraiseulite]

https://news.vice.com/article/aclu-...borhoods-like-war-zones?utm_source=vicenewsfb

 

[Smiling Buddha]

So do you have stats for the opposite end of the argument or what?

Are you this lazy in all aspects of your life?

 

[bresker]

I grew up in Northern Ireland and the police did have similar armoured vehicles. I took them for granted. Almost missed them when they disappeared. They don't make you feel very safe though. If I suddenly saw the police driving round in those things, I might start to think some seriously bad s**t is going down. Like a massive car bomb, or a home-made semtex rocket launcher. - http://books.google.com.au/books?id...v=onepage&q=semtex packet of biscuits&f=false

 

[Quivorir]

Are you this lazy in all aspects of your life?

Nothing to do with lazy. I'm just asking uh to provide both sides if the argument.

 

[Smiling Buddha]

How would you feel if you saw this taking place out the front of your house?

In the laaaaaaaaaaaaand of the freeeeeeeeeeeee...

 

[Quivorir]

Context?

 

[kanye_best]

Context?

on Saturday an unarmed 18 year old man was shot and killed by a policeman. the reason why is still unclear. 3/4 days later, tensions are high and peace vigils to mourn the death of the man escalated into rowdy protests wanting answers for the savage crime.
I believe the image SB posted is from one of the protests.

 

[Tasmaniac]

How would you feel if you saw this taking place out the front of your house?

I'd tell the trouble making locals to piss off to their own houses. If they want to provoke the (possibly trigger happy) cops they can do it next to their own house, so it's their own family members who take a stray bullet rather than me.

 

[Gough]

And some will have it that the answer to this insanity is more guns.

 

[Quivorir]

on Saturday an unarmed 18 year old man was shot and killed by a policeman. the reason why is still unclear. 3/4 days later, tensions are high and peace vigils to mourn the death of the man escalated into rowdy protests wanting answers for the savage crime.
I believe the image SB posted is from one of the protests.

Interesting, thanks.

 

[Sydney Bloods]

How would you feel if you saw this taking place out the front of your house?

In the laaaaaaaaaaaaand of the freeeeeeeeeeeee...

except your comparing the us which is a dangerous s**t hole to us
on average over hundred police die on the job every year. roughly 50% die in car accidents (no wonder they want armoured cars lol s**t campaigners can't drive) the rest well.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...-citizens-killed-cops-remains-unchanged.shtml

that's right 50 cops getting "killed" most by firearms and stabbings is a good year.

inversely 6 police have died on duty in Australia since 2010*, that includes car accident's everything thats dying between walking out the front door to go to work to walking back through it at the end of shift.

america is a shithole weather people admit it or not.

*doesn't include dodgy cops who don't get on the honour roll.

 

[Stewies Power]

on Saturday an unarmed 18 year old man was shot and killed by a policeman. the reason why is still unclear. 3/4 days later, tensions are high and peace vigils to mourn the death of the man escalated into rowdy protests wanting answers for the savage crime.
I believe the image SB posted is from one of the protests.

Was that the dude that was holding a BB gun and was apparently (jokingly) aiming it at kids inside a Walmart? store, only for a concerned customer to call the police mistakenly thinking he had was holding real gun? I believe real guns are sold in retail stores in the US, so their confusion can be somewhat justified.

 

[MarcusP2]

except your comparing the us which is a dangerous s**t hole to us
on average over hundred police die on the job every year. roughly 50% die in car accidents (no wonder they want armoured cars lol s**t campaigners can't drive) the rest well.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...-citizens-killed-cops-remains-unchanged.shtml

that's right 50 cops getting "killed" most by firearms and stabbings is a good year.

inversely 6 police have died on duty in Australia since 2010*, that includes car accident's everything thats dying between walking out the front door to go to work to walking back through it at the end of shift.

america is a shithole weather people admit it or not.

*doesn't include dodgy cops who don't get on the honour roll.

Last year 31 were shot and 2 were stabbed. 44 died in vehicle accidents, 13 died of job-related illness, 6 fell, 2 drowned, etc. Mostly it's accidental deaths.

Meanwhile 17 people have been shot dead by police this month so far.

 

[MarcusP2]

Was that the dude that was holding a BB gun and was apparently (jokingly) aiming it at kids inside a Walmart? store, only for a concerned customer to call the police mistakenly thinking he had was holding real gun? I believe real guns are sold in retail stores in the US, so their confusion can be somewhat justified.

Different guy, that was John Crawford (and the facts are still confused about that). Mike Brown is the teenager.

 

[Stewies Power]

Different guy, that was John Crawford (and the facts are still confused about that). Mike Brown is the teenager.

Okay cheers for clearing that up.