Opinion Don't mention the war (a.k.a. The same old arguments)
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Maybe he would of if Blake didn't go in for unecessary finger surgery (or something similar) 8 weeks out from the end of the season so he could sell himself to other suitors.
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Why would he want to stay when all he was doing was playing VFL?
Obviously things didn't work out the way he hoped when he left but it was a risk I guess he felt he needed to take.
Yes and so could 17 other coaches who could of taken Blake for nothing but chose not too.
Blessed was the Geelong football club to have the mighty Trent West and Mark Blake on our list.
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6 games straight in the VFL must've set the alarm bells ringing...
http://mobile.news.com.au/national/...ckman-mark-blake/story-e6frfkp9-1226057725218
Indeed. Both premiership ruckmen. No matter how much some and you may wish otherwise, they helped us win premierships. It's not a duty our present set of ruckmen will need to be troubled by.
What has that got to do with the point partridge was making about Scott not willing to give him 1 game? Ottens and West were clearly ahead of him that year and Vardy deserved some games as well. Should we have played 3 ruckman?
As much as I want to respond to this ,how about for the next few hours we all unite and send some good vibes the way of the West Coast Eagles ?
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As the article says- he saw the writing on the wall. He was not close to getting a game. Maybe his finger was causing problems and he felt that fixing it might give him a better run at getting back into the seniors, so he went in for surgery. Who knows? I can't even remember when he was fit to play after that surgery but the expectation was that he'd be right to go by late July- early August.
There was a lot of negativity hanging around him at the time and people are always willing to believe a controversial story. Blake shat on the club- didn't deserve to play his 100th for the GFC- etc etc.
No- I don't believe we should've played 3 ruckmen just for the sake of playing Blake, though we seem to have managed to do that quite well a couple of years later with the introduction of Blitz...
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The 08 GF is irrelevant - 09 squared that
However the 2013PF is a total different matter - 20 points up at 3qtr time - 12 in a row looming - and eliminating Hawthorn from a GF after they lost the QF in 2012
Outside of GFS - that 2013 PF was the most pivotal /important game Hawthorn have played in the past 40 years - and most of their supporters know it
Geelong that night came close - but in the end blew - a golden chance to inflict a crushing blow on their club - which they might not have recovered from
Difference between 2008 and 2013 is that Geelong of 2008 was a much better side than Geelong of 2013 .
In 2008 we had a side that consisted of 16 All Australian players and made up of players in the prime of their careers, we won 21 games for the season and couldn't win the premiership.
In 2013 we had lost a number of our champion players and most of our players were either young developing players or they were past their best .Most neutral supporters had Hawthorn as the most talented side in the comp that year. If you actually watch the game again you realise how lucky we were to be 20 points up at 3 quarter time.
2008 and 2010 were the premierships that got away.
Disagree - i think 2013 was a wasted opportunity
If you look at that 11 game winning stretch - the 2 most comprehansive wins - were (1) the 2011 QF and (2) late in 2013 season - round 19 or something - Geelong were 6 goals in front all night - and eventually won by about 3 goals - supporters seem to forget that game for some reason
Added to the fact - the last 3 interstate teams in the GFS have had shockers - 2013 flag slipped through the net
You could argue about 2013 being a waisted opportunity , but it was no where neas as bad a waisted opportunity as 2008 when we had a much better chance of winning the premiership.
We had the best Home and Away season ever in 2008 but we didn't win the premiership. Thompson is to blame .
Lets look at the personal changes from the 2008 GF to the 2013 PF and you can see why the 2008 GF was so much worse.
OUT
1.Harley 2. Scarlet 3.Milburn 4.Enright 5.Ling 6.Mooney
7.Chapman 8.Ottens 9.Ablett 10.Blake 11.Rooke
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1.Duncan 2.Chirstensen 3.Motlop 4.Caddy 5.Murdoch 6.J.Hunt
7.Guthire 8.Rivers 9.Blicavs 10.Podsiadly 11.Vardy
In 2013 we were a side on transition with very few players in the prime of their careers but thanks to some brilliant coaching we overachieved and finished 2nd on the ladder , this took too much out of us and our opposition went up a gear . Even despite all this had Chapman,Enright,Simspon and Hawkins all been fit we most likely would of won that game.
If anyone thinks that we were well coached from 2007-2010 , please watch this video .2010 is a year that many on this board pretend never happened .In some ways 2010 was worse than 2008 because we were so poorly coached.
Just to put things in context , about half our side in this game are All Australian players.
Just to put things in context , about half our side in this game are All Australian players.
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You do realize Chris Scott has now been at the helm for five seasons?
He has taken us to one grand final and one preliminary final during that time.
Mark Thompson was coach for eleven seasons. During that time, he took us to two preliminary finals and three grand finals. We were also very close to making another preliminary final in 2005 had it not been for a goal kicked in the last 10 seconds of the match.
Look at all the players Thompson brought in and developed: Chapman, Corey (top 10 draft pick), Ling, Mooney, Enright, Hunt, Kingsley, Ablett, Bartel (top 10 draft pick), Kelly, Johnson, Rooke, Moloney, Byrnes, Mackie (top 10 draft pick), Blake, Egan, Lonergan, Stokes, Selwood (top 10 draft pick), Varcoe, Hawkins (would have been a top 10 pick), Taylor, Mumford, Laidler, Duncan, Motlop, Podsiadly, Hunt, Menzel.
Thompson gave Duncan & Hunt 8 games each in 2010. That team was playing for silverware and yet the coach still backed in the youth as he always did throughout most of his time at the club.
I mean even when he coached Essendon for one season just recently, he debuted 7 new faces.
And for all this talk about brilliant coaching, explain why Fremantle are so easily able to shut down the 'Geelong highway' style of play?
Mick Malthouse and Carlton are another one. If he only had a better squad of talent, Carlton would have beaten us on a few occasions when they had absolutely no right to get within five - seven goals, let alone a goal or two in four of the past five meetings.
The biggest concern for me was watching Kelly, Corey & Bartel being turned into defenders apparently capable of matching up on the explosive smaller types. Seriously! What an utter joke of the highest order.
He did it again by trying to turn Mitch Brown (a bloke who never once showed any ability to take contested grabs on blokes his own size), into a key defender and we watched Josh Walker (196cm tall) play as a ruckman.
It's actually quite comical if you take your Geelong binoculars off, sit back and observe what is currently transpiring.
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I'm eagerly awaiting to see Mackie play at CHF next season when Clark takes some time away from the game again. Of course, at the expense of a younger player who actually needs the games such as Kersten or alike.
That's the way Chris rolls
That's the way Chris rolls
1.How many premierships did Thompson win or how many Grand finals did Thompson get us into in his first 5 years ? He took 10 years to win his 2nd premiership.
2.Thompson took 7 years to build a side that could win a premiership and your complaining about Scott who has only coached us for 5 years winning just 1 premiership and making the finals 4 times ?
3.It would be more accurate to say that the coach who developed a player was the coach who the player made the most the progress under ,not the coach that he just happened to be recruited under .So Motlop ,Menzel and Duncan have all been developed by Scott .
4.The idea that players like Ablett, Johnson, Bartell, Chapman and all our other All Australian players wouldn't of been outstanding players under most other coaches , is less believable than the Easter bunny and the tooth-fairy .
5.Don't talk to me about anything Thompson did in 2010 , that was the most disgraceful coaching performance I have ever seen from a Geelong coach and that includes Gary Ayres .How can that Geelong side be 81 points behind in a prelim final ?
6.Thompson wasn't prepared to play Duncan in our 2010 finals series ,Scott was as the expense of Milburn.
7.Scott has introduced his fair share of young players to the side since his arrival , he is just doing it gradually. Since Scott started he has given multiple opportunities to the following players -Menzel,Duncan,Chistensen,Vardy,Guthrie,Smedts,GHS,Murdoch,Caddy,Blicavs,Kolo,Lang,Cockatoo,Thurlow,Walker,Kerstin,Bews, GHS and more .In some cases they have not been good enough or have not yet proven themselves but they have all been opportunities.
8.Freo just have a better side than us at the moment .Comparing us to Carlton is stupid and childish .We have just played in 8 consecutive finals series which equals the AFL all time record and won 3 premierships in that time .Equalisation has taken its toll on us like it has on every other side over the past 25 years.If 10th is as low as we go than its an amazing effort.
9. We are currently rebuilding , this means we cant cover all 22 spots on the field with ideally suited players.
10.Not once has anyone of any note in the media ever questioned Scotts coaching ability , its just common-sense that we have been a good side for 11 years and that had to end at some point ,the club needs some time to rebuild . Don't forget people in the media used to go after Thompson with sledge hammers.
Honestly there are some Geelong posters on bigfooty who no matter what decision the club makes ,they are going to complain about it ?
Do you want the club to give more opportunities to younger players or do you want them to keep on playing all our 30 year olds ?
At what point do we start blaming the injuries on our coaching/fitness staff and not just bad luck??? It's been four years of horrendous injuries now.
Yeah and we all know the reason for this. Thompson couldn't get the players to buy into a long kicking game to beat the press because Scarlett and the likes were too stubborn. All parties involved have admitted this. So why do you ignore it?
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If I remember correctly, at the opening bounce it went straight to Ablett who had space and instead of launching a 50 metre kick inside 50, he handballed sideways to the feet of Varcoe, and they pressured us all the way back to their goals. Whether it was coaching or not, we had become so handball happy, and that opening set the tone. I think Bomber had said somewhere he was trying to get them to change.
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Thompson took us to finals in his first season. It would be three years before we were back there again but this time around, he had constructed his own team which would inevitably go onto be a dominant force.
That was all the work of coaching staff. They developed and backed in players to play a role. There was none of this alternating between two or there positions at any one time. They had their jobs to do on the day and they stuck to it.
And you are here telling everyone the Geelong side of 2011 couldn't have won it without the coach
Explain to me how that Geelong side of 2012 could be down by 50 points to Fremantle in the qualifying final?
Many of those players have either stagnated or gone backwards in a hurry.
Smedts, GHS, Murdoch, Bews, Kersten, Simpson and you even look at the guys who switched clubs and instantly improved under a new coaching staff . . . Varcoe, Hunt, Hamling etc.
One of the many furtfies that surround footballers is the so-called acclaim 'he's a premiership player'. There are many players who got that medal by default.
