Rumour GFC 2024 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists Pt 1

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CatToTheFuture said:
I don't think there's a scenario where we get more out of the Pies than we lose.

Steak knives Mcrae and a future pick 10+? Yuck
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Yeah we can't really win in that situation. We'd be picking up Cooper Stephens 2.0 in Macrae and another pick in that range in all likelihood.

There's always the chance that if the Pies stink it up this year Holmes probably doesn't want to go there anyway. Second only to Richmond in terms of lacking young prospects (Daicos the obvious exception)

I've said all along the threat is probably the Saints if they have a really good year. I've never understood the Pies link. If he's chasing success, he'll be getting there too late.

Local kid, fits them like a glove as a need, grew up supporting them, and they've talked publicly about copying us by trying to bring bayside/mornington peninsula talent back home.

I believe he's staying, but the Saints are a bigger threat over the Pies IMO.
 
Jimmy Yamazaki said:
It the actually Video of his presser, Holmes said it was the same in 2022 when he played half of the season without a contract.

When asked if he wanted to stay at the Cats long term he said :



Note: The quote above is copy and pasted from Youtube transcripts. It's at 5:58 in the video.

Imo, if Geelong offer him a decent contract that he and his manager are happy with, he'll stay.


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What a likeable young man Max is - any parent would be so proud.
He doesn't seem like the type to bear or appear to be holding any grudge so I think the "he's leaving , missed the 22GF " innuendo is just that - non fact based and just speculation.
He was prominent on the Socials over Summer , overseas with a lot of his young teammates having a ball.
Hard to see him leaving to be honest.............
 
Oisin_the_Goat said:
I think Edwards looks a bit like Blitz in some ways. But tbh Conway goes in that hard into the Ruck and on to the ground in the chase up he often looks like his limbs are going to snap off. At this stage Edwards will be seen as a backup and as he builds he'll probably be a Blitz or a Forward.
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I see O'Sullivan as the next Blitz...
 

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Lana said:
The commentators cliché is that we have always wanted to have two Blicavs
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Id love to have 2 Blitz in our side...
But I do have a feeling O'Sullivan is a player can play different positions.
His played Forward/Defence I think in Geelong intra club matches he was playing on the wing with a bit of ruck..
 
The article mentions the bonus gained from top kids this year.



https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...s/news-story/6c2d74cfced4ba0e2eae7a0a9d0123b1


Matt Rowell didn’t just torch Richmond on Saturday, he gave the AFL world a prelude of what they can expect from the No.1 overall pick’s next decade.
The fifth-year player took some time to realise his full potential as a Gold Coast priority pick but the 20-clearance performance was downright scary.

If recent history is any guide the clubs which nail those very early picks can expect them to perform on the biggest stage winning flags for their teams.

Think No.3 pick Dustin Martin (2017, 2019, 2020), pick 4 Marcus Bontempelli (2016), Melbourne trio Christian Petracca (pick 2), Clayton Oliver (pick 4) and Luke Jackson (pick 3) in 2021 and Nick Daicos (pick 4) and Jordan De Goey (pick 5) last year.

This weekend the competition is about to witness a new breed of top 10 picks whose influence will also have a profound effect on their club’s list management in a year dubbed by some as a potential superdraft.

Western Bulldogs midfielder Ryley Sanders and Kangaroos medium forward Zane Duursma are about to set supporter hearts racing in a draft class that includes Harley Reid, Colby McKercher, Nick Watson, Caleb Windsor, Nate Caddy and St Kilda half forward Darcy Wilson.

The trickle down effect of Duursma and Sanders’ debut seasons will be fascinating to watch.

Luke Beveridge already has a man crush on pick 6 Sanders at a club that identified that need for elite talent at the pointiest end of the draft.

The Dogs traded pick 10, 17 and a future first-rounder just to get to the No.4 draft pick it took to get Sanders (that pick shuffled back to 6, the Dogs also got some later picks back).

He has made such a pre-season splash the Dogs are already figuring out how to squeeze Jackson Macrae and Caleb Daniel in the centre square at times, let alone Bailey Smith when he returns from his ACL tear next year.

If Sanders can play with the authority he showed across the pre-season - including his brilliant Launceston clash with Hawthorn - then Sanders, Marcus Bontempelli and Tom Liberatore are the Dogs three musketeers.

There might be room for a fourth member of their posse - d’Artagnan - in ruckman Tim English but it’s hard to see how Macrae and Daniel get meaningful midfield time.

Daniel has three more years on his contract signed as a free agent in mid-2022 and might only be squeezed into the sub role against Melbourne.

And Macrae, who also signed a free agency deal in 2022, has four more seasons left on a deal through to 2027.

Macrae already struggled as a half forward last year, missing the club’s top 10 despite being All Australian in three of the four years before 2023.

Beveridge will face a challenge keeping his troops happy this year juggling centre square opportunities, but if Sanders can emerge as a bona fide star there is also opportunity for the Dogs and Macrae.

Macrae only turns 30 in August.

Would Macrae look at the example of inside bull Taylor Adams, moved out of the Pies midfield and then asking Sydney about its interest before brokering a new four-year deal in the Harbour City?

Food for thought if he remains starved of midfield time given rivals across the competition would clearly hand over a quality pick for the relentless ball winner.

The Dogs would already believe giving up that trio of quality picks for Sanders was a bargain instead of using them at a stage in the draft when the percentages of taking elite players falls away.

At Moorabbin last week as Jimmy Webster was poleaxing Jy Simpkin - and a foul-mouthed Alastair Clarkson was embarrassing himself again - a similar change of the guard was afoot.

North Melbourne’s No.4 draft pick Zane Duursma was scorching the Moorabbin turf.

He flew for marks from everywhere, drew head-high free kicks for goals with his attack on the ball and dragged down St Kilda players with ferocious tackles.

The North Melbourne forward line got three goals out of Nick Larkey, two out of Cam Zurhaar and two from Duursma along with 14 possessions, six marks and a heap of moments to excite the Kangaroos faithful.

As talented mid-forward Tarryn Thomas exited stage left, it only handed Zurhaar more leverage in his free agency contract talks with the Roos.

How could they afford to lose him given the Roos were already bereft of quality options apart from the brilliant Larkey?

From that limited cameo, we have seen the future at North Melbourne and it is Duursma playing for the next 8 years alongside 25-year-old full forward Larkey.

Hopefully it includes Zurhaar in a multi pronged attack.

Zurhaar still deserves to be paid what some would consider breathtaking sums if he can kick 40 goals this year in an ordinary free agency market without many goal-kicking forwards.

But if Duursma does what we expect in coming years, it doesn’t have to be the Zane and Zurhaar show.

A cashed-up Roos can offer Zurhaar something entirely reasonably, even something in the region of $750,000-$800,000 given that will be the market for free agency forwards of his calibre.

But if someone wants to better that deal the Roos can take the first round free agency compensation pick and move on.

All the while knowing the free agency compensation pick they got for the departing Ben McKay just got them Duursma — while saving $800,000 a year.

Hang on, you say.

Why would someone be crazy enough to spend $800,000 on a 40-goal forward like Zurhaar or Gold Coast’s Ben Ainsworth?

Because in this year more than any in recent memory they will be desperate to retain their picks in an elite draft stacked with quality midfielders.

The kind of midfielders who can make an impact like Rowell and Nick Daicos and Harry Sheezel and Harley Reid and Ryley Sanders.

Last year clubs clamoured for draft packages that might secure them boom No.1 pick Reid.

This year the potential midfield stars are plentiful - Oakleigh Chargers pair Jagga Smith and Finn O’Sullivan, damaging 194cm mid-forward Josh Smillie, South Australian Sid Draper, big bodied Greater Western Victoria Rebels mid Sam Lalor plus Will Ashcroft’s brother Levi.

So clubs needing mids will desperately be attempting to hold onto their top 10 picks, even as they assess players like Bailey Smith and Macrae as trade options.

Those clubs will try to follow Essendon’s lead, securing Ben McKay, Jade Gresham and Todd Goldstein without giving up a draft pick.

As a result, free agents like Zurhaar, St Kilda’s Josh Battle and Hugh McCluggage can expect sky-high prices whether they stay or go.

There is a simple unadulterated joy in watching first-year kids hit the big time, but in the complex world of list management nailing those picks sets up a world of possibilities.

.......


The pressure at the Dogs is coming because Sander is so promising. No surprise really..... then the other kids mentioned , mostly mids , who are in this years draft class. Cos not mentioned yet ..he will be a slower burn than most of them but only time will tell who called the right draft name... I seem to remember that Ess folk were drooling only a couple of years ago but now that has moved into a demand for their kids to show something.... and each year it seem the top kids are getting more attention . Already there are names from this years draft mentioned in this article ... Jagga Smith and Draper and Lalor and there will be others.

So the clubs will be trying to get deals done for players like Smith ..while keeping their R1 pick. I hope if we look at him we can achieve that.
 
Turbocat said:
The article mentions the bonus gained from top kids this year.



https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...s/news-story/6c2d74cfced4ba0e2eae7a0a9d0123b1


Matt Rowell didn’t just torch Richmond on Saturday, he gave the AFL world a prelude of what they can expect from the No.1 overall pick’s next decade.
The fifth-year player took some time to realise his full potential as a Gold Coast priority pick but the 20-clearance performance was downright scary.

If recent history is any guide the clubs which nail those very early picks can expect them to perform on the biggest stage winning flags for their teams.

Think No.3 pick Dustin Martin (2017, 2019, 2020), pick 4 Marcus Bontempelli (2016), Melbourne trio Christian Petracca (pick 2), Clayton Oliver (pick 4) and Luke Jackson (pick 3) in 2021 and Nick Daicos (pick 4) and Jordan De Goey (pick 5) last year.

This weekend the competition is about to witness a new breed of top 10 picks whose influence will also have a profound effect on their club’s list management in a year dubbed by some as a potential superdraft.

Western Bulldogs midfielder Ryley Sanders and Kangaroos medium forward Zane Duursma are about to set supporter hearts racing in a draft class that includes Harley Reid, Colby McKercher, Nick Watson, Caleb Windsor, Nate Caddy and St Kilda half forward Darcy Wilson.

The trickle down effect of Duursma and Sanders’ debut seasons will be fascinating to watch.

Luke Beveridge already has a man crush on pick 6 Sanders at a club that identified that need for elite talent at the pointiest end of the draft.

The Dogs traded pick 10, 17 and a future first-rounder just to get to the No.4 draft pick it took to get Sanders (that pick shuffled back to 6, the Dogs also got some later picks back).

He has made such a pre-season splash the Dogs are already figuring out how to squeeze Jackson Macrae and Caleb Daniel in the centre square at times, let alone Bailey Smith when he returns from his ACL tear next year.

If Sanders can play with the authority he showed across the pre-season - including his brilliant Launceston clash with Hawthorn - then Sanders, Marcus Bontempelli and Tom Liberatore are the Dogs three musketeers.

There might be room for a fourth member of their posse - d’Artagnan - in ruckman Tim English but it’s hard to see how Macrae and Daniel get meaningful midfield time.

Daniel has three more years on his contract signed as a free agent in mid-2022 and might only be squeezed into the sub role against Melbourne.

And Macrae, who also signed a free agency deal in 2022, has four more seasons left on a deal through to 2027.

Macrae already struggled as a half forward last year, missing the club’s top 10 despite being All Australian in three of the four years before 2023.

Beveridge will face a challenge keeping his troops happy this year juggling centre square opportunities, but if Sanders can emerge as a bona fide star there is also opportunity for the Dogs and Macrae.

Macrae only turns 30 in August.

Would Macrae look at the example of inside bull Taylor Adams, moved out of the Pies midfield and then asking Sydney about its interest before brokering a new four-year deal in the Harbour City?

Food for thought if he remains starved of midfield time given rivals across the competition would clearly hand over a quality pick for the relentless ball winner.

The Dogs would already believe giving up that trio of quality picks for Sanders was a bargain instead of using them at a stage in the draft when the percentages of taking elite players falls away.

At Moorabbin last week as Jimmy Webster was poleaxing Jy Simpkin - and a foul-mouthed Alastair Clarkson was embarrassing himself again - a similar change of the guard was afoot.

North Melbourne’s No.4 draft pick Zane Duursma was scorching the Moorabbin turf.

He flew for marks from everywhere, drew head-high free kicks for goals with his attack on the ball and dragged down St Kilda players with ferocious tackles.

The North Melbourne forward line got three goals out of Nick Larkey, two out of Cam Zurhaar and two from Duursma along with 14 possessions, six marks and a heap of moments to excite the Kangaroos faithful.

As talented mid-forward Tarryn Thomas exited stage left, it only handed Zurhaar more leverage in his free agency contract talks with the Roos.

How could they afford to lose him given the Roos were already bereft of quality options apart from the brilliant Larkey?

From that limited cameo, we have seen the future at North Melbourne and it is Duursma playing for the next 8 years alongside 25-year-old full forward Larkey.

Hopefully it includes Zurhaar in a multi pronged attack.

Zurhaar still deserves to be paid what some would consider breathtaking sums if he can kick 40 goals this year in an ordinary free agency market without many goal-kicking forwards.

But if Duursma does what we expect in coming years, it doesn’t have to be the Zane and Zurhaar show.

A cashed-up Roos can offer Zurhaar something entirely reasonably, even something in the region of $750,000-$800,000 given that will be the market for free agency forwards of his calibre.

But if someone wants to better that deal the Roos can take the first round free agency compensation pick and move on.

All the while knowing the free agency compensation pick they got for the departing Ben McKay just got them Duursma — while saving $800,000 a year.

Hang on, you say.

Why would someone be crazy enough to spend $800,000 on a 40-goal forward like Zurhaar or Gold Coast’s Ben Ainsworth?

Because in this year more than any in recent memory they will be desperate to retain their picks in an elite draft stacked with quality midfielders.

The kind of midfielders who can make an impact like Rowell and Nick Daicos and Harry Sheezel and Harley Reid and Ryley Sanders.

Last year clubs clamoured for draft packages that might secure them boom No.1 pick Reid.

This year the potential midfield stars are plentiful - Oakleigh Chargers pair Jagga Smith and Finn O’Sullivan, damaging 194cm mid-forward Josh Smillie, South Australian Sid Draper, big bodied Greater Western Victoria Rebels mid Sam Lalor plus Will Ashcroft’s brother Levi.

So clubs needing mids will desperately be attempting to hold onto their top 10 picks, even as they assess players like Bailey Smith and Macrae as trade options.

Those clubs will try to follow Essendon’s lead, securing Ben McKay, Jade Gresham and Todd Goldstein without giving up a draft pick.

As a result, free agents like Zurhaar, St Kilda’s Josh Battle and Hugh McCluggage can expect sky-high prices whether they stay or go.

There is a simple unadulterated joy in watching first-year kids hit the big time, but in the complex world of list management nailing those picks sets up a world of possibilities.

.......


The pressure at the Dogs is coming because Sander is so promising. No surprise really..... then the other kids mentioned , mostly mids , who are in this years draft class. Cos not mentioned yet ..he will be a slower burn than most of them but only time will tell who called the right draft name... I seem to remember that Ess folk were drooling only a couple of years ago but now that has moved into a demand for their kids to show something.... and each year it seem the top kids are getting more attention . Already there are names from this years draft mentioned in this article ... Jagga Smith and Draper and Lalor and there will be others.

So the clubs will be trying to get deals done for players like Smith ..while keeping their R1 pick. I hope if we look at him we can achieve that.
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Looks like the draft might finally become strong enough to even out the competition. Just in time for us to need it to
 
I was just rereading over some posts from a few days ago and can't help but think that part of the reason Richmond swooped on Hopper was to scupper us. I am probably being self-centred thinking this and there was more at play than I know. But then again I am not the one who thought despite finishing 8th in 2022 could have beaten the premiers that year.
 
Thoughts...

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Geelong is among the clubs keeping close tabs on Melbourne superstar Clayton Oliver in case the brilliant midfielder seeks a fresh start at season’s end.
The Cats are keen to add to their top-line midfield stocks in the exchange period and have already been strongly linked to Western Bulldogs linebreaker Bailey Smith.

But Oliver, 26, is also on the Cats’ radar in the event he becomes available despite a $1 million a year contract with six more years to run at Melbourne after this season.

Chris Scott’s men are on the hunt for a new star onballer to help improve the midfield brigade and keep the club in premiership contention after missing the finals last season.

Patrick Dangerfield turns 34 next month, Cameron Guthrie, 31, has been hit by another injury, while youngsters Max Holmes, Tanner Bruhn and Jhye Clark are still developing...

 
Jay Clark recons we are closely monitoring Clayton Oliver
 
foxdog50 said:
Oliver.... Love to hear what he be worth in a trade sense..
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It really depends on if the Dees want him out a little bit, a lot, or not at all.

Imagine if we could somehow bring in Smith and Oliver at once.

I reckon you’d get Hawk and Danger doing everything they can to get one more season out of themselves.
 

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As the side with one of the weakest midfields in the comp, and a side that always wants to be perennial contenders...this is just the beginning of all the players we're going to be linked to. Wouldn't surprise if none of them come to fruition/only a couple have a kernel of truth to them, lol.
 
cats_09 said:
Thoughts...

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Geelong is among the clubs keeping close tabs on Melbourne superstar Clayton Oliver in case the brilliant midfielder seeks a fresh start at season’s end.
The Cats are keen to add to their top-line midfield stocks in the exchange period and have already been strongly linked to Western Bulldogs linebreaker Bailey Smith.

But Oliver, 26, is also on the Cats’ radar in the event he becomes available despite a $1 million a year contract with six more years to run at Melbourne after this season.

Chris Scott’s men are on the hunt for a new star onballer to help improve the midfield brigade and keep the club in premiership contention after missing the finals last season.

Patrick Dangerfield turns 34 next month, Cameron Guthrie, 31, has been hit by another injury, while youngsters Max Holmes, Tanner Bruhn and Jhye Clark are still developing...

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Wonder whether that is an indication we think Smith is likely to head to the Hawks?
 
cats_09 said:
Thoughts...

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Geelong is among the clubs keeping close tabs on Melbourne superstar Clayton Oliver in case the brilliant midfielder seeks a fresh start at season’s end.
The Cats are keen to add to their top-line midfield stocks in the exchange period and have already been strongly linked to Western Bulldogs linebreaker Bailey Smith.

But Oliver, 26, is also on the Cats’ radar in the event he becomes available despite a $1 million a year contract with six more years to run at Melbourne after this season.

Chris Scott’s men are on the hunt for a new star onballer to help improve the midfield brigade and keep the club in premiership contention after missing the finals last season.

Patrick Dangerfield turns 34 next month, Cameron Guthrie, 31, has been hit by another injury, while youngsters Max Holmes, Tanner Bruhn and Jhye Clark are still developing...

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At his best, it would be perfect for us from a footy stand point. Exactly what we need post Danger imo.
 
Jimmy Yamazaki said:
At his best, it would be perfect for us from a footy stand point. Exactly what we need post Danger imo.
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Depends how much he is drinking and gambling. And that 7 year deal is too risky.
 
year of the cat said:
Wonder whether that is an indication we think Smith is likely to head to the Hawks?
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I doubt it, we where linked to all of JDG, Hopper, Taranto, & Brayshaw along with the constant of Bruhn at different stages through 2022.

We wouldn't know anything regarding who's going where at this stage, but we're being proactive by showing our interest early in the piece. All you can do is throw your hat in the ring and see what happens.

The Bowes deal is proof that that does play a part in players mind, they remember who was first in line.
 
cats_09 said:
Thoughts...

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Geelong is among the clubs keeping close tabs on Melbourne superstar Clayton Oliver in case the brilliant midfielder seeks a fresh start at season’s end.
The Cats are keen to add to their top-line midfield stocks in the exchange period and have already been strongly linked to Western Bulldogs linebreaker Bailey Smith.

But Oliver, 26, is also on the Cats’ radar in the event he becomes available despite a $1 million a year contract with six more years to run at Melbourne after this season.

Chris Scott’s men are on the hunt for a new star onballer to help improve the midfield brigade and keep the club in premiership contention after missing the finals last season.

Patrick Dangerfield turns 34 next month, Cameron Guthrie, 31, has been hit by another injury, while youngsters Max Holmes, Tanner Bruhn and Jhye Clark are still developing...

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Good trade for 2x firsts.

Yep, Melbourne's 2x firsts and Oliver and Oliver's contract for a future 3rd would do nicely.
 
cats_09 said:
Thoughts...

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Geelong is among the clubs keeping close tabs on Melbourne superstar Clayton Oliver in case the brilliant midfielder seeks a fresh start at season’s end.
The Cats are keen to add to their top-line midfield stocks in the exchange period and have already been strongly linked to Western Bulldogs linebreaker Bailey Smith.

But Oliver, 26, is also on the Cats’ radar in the event he becomes available despite a $1 million a year contract with six more years to run at Melbourne after this season.

Chris Scott’s men are on the hunt for a new star onballer to help improve the midfield brigade and keep the club in premiership contention after missing the finals last season.

Patrick Dangerfield turns 34 next month, Cameron Guthrie, 31, has been hit by another injury, while youngsters Max Holmes, Tanner Bruhn and Jhye Clark are still developing...

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Depends on the price and what his headspace is like
 
Lana said:
Depends on the price and what his headspace is like
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Yes.
If his headspace is fine, no way he leaves Demons.
 
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