Government Arseclown George Brandis

[Footy Smarts]

She works for the Govt that happens to be the coalition

She has a duty to be non partisan, which one could argue she has not been.

Any public servant or appointment (other than judges), that has lost the support of the Govt of the day position is untenable and should resign.

What makes judges different? Is it because, despite being government appointments, they are in an important role that must be free of government intervention? They should be independent? How is that different to the head of an independent commission whose role is to ensure Australia is respecting human rights, including at a governmental level?

 

[Footy Smarts]

She is not a judge she is a public servant, she also released the report against (I Believe) the govt wishes

You have a very strange idea of "independent" if the HRC should only release reports the government wants released.

 

[spinynorman]

The thing is, the report's actually more damning of Labor. The Coalition could have easily spun it into a good story for them, noting there are many fewer children in detention now than before (avoiding why this is the case, as it involved an ultimatum giving the Immigration Minister some pretty serious powers as a pay-off, to wedge the crossbenchers Scott Morrison threw in releasing children from detention).

Instead, it's clear Abbott recently has decided that his success as Opposition Leader came from being an aggressive, destructive a-hole. So he's had his shot at Muslims and now he's going after this woman, making the issue about her and not about the findings of her report. I'd be really disappointed if the voting public bought this.

 

[Qsaint]

That is

So in your mind the government has a mandate to sack anyone they like for any reason regardless of any actual evidence? Although, let's not forget they wanted to give her another position, so clearly she hasn't lost that much support from the government.

There is no point having a human rights commission if the tenability of employees is based on whether the government of the day approves of their reports.

Look I Realise most people would not have experienced or had knowledge about what goes on with senior appointments and dept heads but people are removed replaced given other roles or retired etc but that the game you can sack anyone you like Julia and krudd got rid of plenty.

In this case they have every reason to remove her if she politicises the position, does not act in the best interest of the govt and is partisan

No report gets released by any govt unless it goes through a Sir Humphrey type vetting process.

 

[moses]

Morrison, Abbott and Brandis having a chat...

 

[Juddism]

What I don't understand is why they'd want to find Triggs a new job if they'd lost confidence in her...seriously, this government couldn't contradict itself any more, could it?

 

[Juddism]

I'd like to know how Senator McDonald knew the report was partisan without reading it.

I'd like to know if he gives a s**t about the children...

 

[Ice-Wolf]

In this case they have every reason to remove her if she politicises the position, does not act in the best interest of the govt and is partisan.

She's not meant to act in the best interest of the government!

 

[sherb]

She is not a judge she is a public servant, she also released the report against (I Believe) the govt wishes

Fine, if it's that straightforward then sack her.

 

[Gough]

I'd like to know if he gives a s**t about the children...

Yesterday's estimates hearing epitomised everything that is nasty, and wrong with this government.

 

[pazza]

That is


Look I Realise most people would not have experienced or had knowledge about what goes on with senior appointments and dept heads but people are removed replaced given other roles or retired etc but that the game you can sack anyone you like Julia and krudd got rid of plenty.

In this case they have every reason to remove her if she politicises the position, does not act in the best interest of the govt and is partisan

No report gets released by any govt unless it goes through a Sir Humphrey type vetting process.

Bullshit.

She has done nothing wrong here. And it's about time the f-wits in the Coalition dealt with the full truth, not just the truth THEY want to talk about.

Besides, Brandis has acted in a corrupt manner and either resigns his own commission, is sacked...or gets charged by the Feds for his behaviour. He has clearly acted inappropriately.

 

[Richard Pryor]

That is


Look I Realise most people would not have experienced or had knowledge about what goes on with senior appointments and dept heads but people are removed replaced given other roles or retired etc but that the game you can sack anyone you like Julia and krudd got rid of plenty.

*Someone brings up the opposition doing the same thing, take a drink*
We need good government. Better than Labor is not the same thing as good.

I understand shifting people around with incentives, veiled threats and good old fashioned politics is nothing new, which makes it even more hilarious that Brandis is so incompetent at it.

In this case they have every reason to remove her if she politicises the position, does not act in the best interest of the govt and is partisan

Key word, if. The government has to prove she's politicised her position if they screw up the dangling carrot manoeuvre, just because they say something doesn't make it true.

Acting in the best interests of the government is contradictory to not politicising her position. Partisan is still partisan if it's beneficial to the LNP.

No report gets released by any govt unless it goes through a Sir Humphrey type vetting process.

The government doesn't have the right to just suppress an independent apolitical entities reports just because they say it's bias or that the messenger is politicising her position. They need proof.

 

[sherb]

She works for the Govt that happens to be the coalition

She has a duty to be non partisan, which one could argue she has not been.

Any public servant or appointment (other than judges), that has lost the support of the Govt of the day position is untenable and should resign.

My understanding is that the report was rather critical, if not scathing, of both sides of politics.

Be honest. The government doesn't like what the report says, so instead of what it should be doing (focussing on the content) it is shooting the messenger.

And to not see that, well that IS being partisan.

 

[clogged]

She is not a judge she is a public servant, she also released the report against (I Believe) the govt wishes

She is appointed by the GG not the minister under the Act. Only the governor-general can terminate her appointment. She is not bound by the same rules governing day-to-day public servants that direct them to follow the governments wishes.

 

[moses]

She is appointed by the GG not the minister under the Act. Only the governor-general can terminate her appointment. She is not bound by the same rules governing day-to-day public servants that direct them to follow the governments wishes.

Its like the government trying to move along the Auditor-General because they don't like their audit findings. Ridiculous.

 

[sherb]

Make George sweat a bit.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-25/labor-asks-federal-police-if-attorney-generals-job/6260538

 

[raghav]

She is appointed by the GG not the minister under the Act. Only the governor-general can terminate her appointment. She is not bound by the same rules governing day-to-day public servants that direct them to follow the governments wishes.

So we might have a possible scenario where Tony rings Sir Peter and calls in a favour for knighting him?

 

[raghav]

Brandis is Boofhead with that same 'Born to Rule" Liberal attitude that Bronny Hair Spray exhibits regularly. With a bit of luck he'll get his arse reamed over this issue.

 

[Todman]

Senator Brandis said he lost confidence in Professor Triggs in mid-January.

"It saddens me to say that because as Professor Triggs herself has said, our relationship has never been anything other than cordial," he said.

"But after the November [Senate] estimates — when on any view Professor Triggs gave inconsistent and evasive evidence on the circumstances in which the decision was made to hold the inquiry which we have been discussing, in particular when Professor Triggs conceded that she had made a decision to hold the inquiry after the 2013 election and had spoken during the caretaker period, quite inappropriately, with two Labor ministers, a fact concealed from the then-opposition — I felt that the political impartiality of the commission had been fatally compromised."

 

[Gough]

Why did he offer her other work then?
The report was scathing of both the ALP and the Libs, and pointed out the damage that locking kids up was doing to them, but let's just attack the messenger. There is a rich and horrible irony in the title the report, Forgotten Children, because they're exactly what's being forgotten amid this character assassination of Prof. Triggs.

 

[Play by Numbers]

Senator Brandis said he lost confidence in Professor Triggs in mid-January.

"It saddens me to say that because as Professor Triggs herself has said, our relationship has never been anything other than cordial," he said.

"But after the November [Senate] estimates — when on any view Professor Triggs gave inconsistent and evasive evidence on the circumstances in which the decision was made to hold the inquiry which we have been discussing, in particular when Professor Triggs conceded that she had made a decision to hold the inquiry after the 2013 election and had spoken during the caretaker period, quite inappropriately, with two Labor ministers, a fact concealed from the then-opposition — I felt that the political impartiality of the commission had been fatally compromised."

Are you a bot?

You do like to cut and paste.

 

[Play by Numbers]

Why did he offer her other work then?
The report was scathing of both the ALP and the Libs, and pointed out the damage that locking kids up was doing to them, but let's just attack the messenger. There is a rich and horrible irony in the title the report, Forgotten Children, because they're exactly what's being forgotten amid this character assassination of Prof. Triggs.

He offerred her other work, so they could either a) delay release of the report, or b) sit on the report.

 

[Lethality]

Who cares if he's lost confidence in her? This whole government is a shambles, they shouldn't have the balls to point fingers at independent bodies who are actually doing their job. This is just another gaffe, time to try and sweep it under the carpet.

 

[geelong_boy]

Brandis is Boofhead with that same 'Born to Rule" Liberal attitude that Bronny Hair Spray exhibits regularly. With a bit of luck he'll get his arse reamed over this issue.

Why would he? No amount of wrong-doing ever sticks to these guys.

 

[Footy Smarts]

Why did he offer her other work then?
The report was scathing of both the ALP and the Libs, and pointed out the damage that locking kids up was doing to them, but let's just attack the messenger. There is a rich and horrible irony in the title the report, Forgotten Children, because they're exactly what's being forgotten amid this character assassination of Prof. Triggs.

And Turnbull's made exactly that point today. He knows it's just a matter of time if he's so publicly opposing the party line.

Probably the most amusing thing about this is that the government should've been able to use it to show claim that it's done very well on this issues. They could've embraced the report, pointed out how terrible the situation was under Labor (which it truly was) and pointed out how they're vastly improving the situation (arguable). Instead they've made it all about an independent commissioner actually being independent and got themselves mixed up in questions of corruption. Basically the HRC handed them a grenade but, rather than lobbing it at the ALP they've decided to pull the pin and drop it at their own feet.