Government Arseclown George Brandis

[Qsaint]

Can I ask the government supporters on here criticising the report, why aren't you praising its contents about the success the government has had in cutting the number of children in detention, from over 2000 under Labor to less than 200 now?

Because that been made irrelevant by a partisan attack, which comes after a number of anti govt attacks in the past

When thousands of children were in detention, there was no national inquiry by the commission. Yet after the Coalition government quickly and effectively shut down the people smuggling trade, closed a dozen detention centres, and the number of children in detention plunged by 80 per cent in its first year, Dr Triggs moved with haste to attach blame to the government.

She signed off on a report whose very title is incendiary, inaccurate, and seeks to blame the very government which staunched the wound. Far from being forgotten, not a single child was placed in detention by the Coalition government. Most were removed from custody.

When asked about the belated timing of the inquiry, she has given five different reasons at various times.

Dr Triggs told this week's Senate inquiry that about 700 children had been removed from detention under the Coalition and about 330 remained in detention. This wildly understated the government's progress. More than twice as many children as claimed, 1482, have been removed from detention, and 242 are awaiting placement in community care.

She expressed hope her inquiry may have sped up the process, implying that it did. The government's election promise was always to have zero boats and zero children in detention as soon as possible.

And further

The government's confidence in her judgement started eroding a long time ago. Late last year, she claimed the detention centre on Christmas Island was patrolled by armed guards. This was not true and was one of several inflammatory observations that did not withstand scrutiny.

Last year, Dr Triggs recommended that John Basikbasik, who entered the country illegally in 1985, later murdered his pregnant partner, and was involved in a revolving door of violent incidents, be removed from detention and paid $350,000 in compensation for his long-term incarceration. The government rejected her recommendation.

She also recommended that a serial criminal be paid $300,000 in compensation for being detained while engaging in legal action to prevent deportation, even though a Federal Court had found these actions to be "frivolous, vexatious and embarrassing". The government rejected her recommendation.

Now, under Dr Triggs, the commission has moved to attach blame for the mental cruelties imposed on children in detention to the government which did not create the problem and has largely solved it.

The age

 

[swingdog]

Because that been made irrelevant by a partisan attack, which comes after a number of anti govt attacks in the past

I just don't see why rather than appearing to be a bully, the government isn't trumpeting its achievements in this area, courtesy of the content of this report.
But then comms isn't their strength.

 

[Gough]

I just don't see why rather than appearing to be a bully, the government isn't trumpeting its achievements in this area, courtesy of the content of this report.
But then comms isn't their strength.

Richard Flanagan goes to town on the government.
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...her-pm-will-apologise-for-it?CMP=share_btn_tw

Democracy is not guaranteed by parliament, nor yet the government, far less by the prime minister’s office. Its security and its necessary freedoms reside in the hand of the people. A strong government respects – even if it does not agree with – the different opinions and arguments of other bodies, groups and individuals as the touchstone of our democracy.

But this is not a strong government. It is a museum of 1970s rightwing student bigotries and undergraduate bullying that has formed the most incompetent government in our history, the legacy of which conservatives will have to live down for decades.

In delivering us News Corp World, Tony Abbott has revealed himself as not a leader but a follower, and the ideas he follows are those of a world in which freedom is a privilege of the powerful, not the right of all; where truth must be convenient or it is to be crushed, and where the strong seek to punish the weak, and when challenged, destroy those, like Gillian Triggs, who will not bend their testimony to power.

We should expect more. We must expect more. Because if we do not, we will go somewhere far darker than the hells of Manus Island and Nauru. We will have become them.

Absolutely nailed it.

 

[Xsess]

Goodo-but any likelihood of you discussing the content of said report?

Can we discuss why the HRC didn't refer its "evidence" of child sexual and other assault directly to the police?

 

[Danny Cullen]

Richard Flanagan goes to town on the government.
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...her-pm-will-apologise-for-it?CMP=share_btn_tw

Absolutely nailed it.

Richard "I'm ashamed to be Australian' Flanagan?

 

[Little Big John]

Richard "I'm ashamed to be Australian' Flanagan?

I think the point you're implying that people critical of Australia have no credibility in critiquing Australia is both strong and tough to argue against and could be applied to far more fields than just nationalism.

 

[Danny Cullen]

I think the point you're implying that people critical of Australia have no credibility in critiquing Australia is both strong and tough to argue against and could be applied to far more fields than just nationalism.

A long time AbbottAbbottAbbott666 is all he is. His critique means jack.

 

[Little Big John]

A long time AbbottAbbottAbbott666 is all he is. His critique means jack.

It would mean more to you if someone who was not critical of Abbot was critical of him?

 

[Danny Cullen]

It would mean more to you if someone who was not critical of Abbot was critical of him?

Nope. And I wouldn't quote them as someone who has absolutely nailed it.

 

[romeoh]

Can we discuss why the HRC didn't refer its "evidence" of child sexual and other assault directly to the police?

I don't know how the HRC processes operate -do you? Pretty sure someone of Trigg's experience in legal matters would be following procedures, so perhaps, if you are not happy, then procedural reform is something you need to take up with the ombudsman. Look forward to seeing your letter to the ombudsman-perhaps post it on here first?

 

[romeoh]

Richard "I'm ashamed to be Australian' Flanagan?

Is he not entitled to his own opinion then?

 

[Gough]

I don't know how the HRC processes operate -do you? Pretty sure someone of Trigg's experience in legal matters would be following procedures, so perhaps, if you are not happy, then procedural reform is something you need to take up with the ombudsman. Look forward to seeing your letter to the ombudsman-perhaps post it on here first?

Some are calling on the Institutional Response to Child Sexual Abuse RC to take a look into the Immigration detention system.

 

[Play by Numbers]

No one complained because it was not announced until after the election. Julair announce the election date in January 2013. Massive fail for you.

What?

The libs were consulted at every stage of the process and never once raised objection.

In fact it was a process started by the libs.

 

[Play by Numbers]

How do you produce a report without investigating first?



Whats the election got to do with it? The issue is child welfare


So the report is political.

Why else would and independent agency charged with protecting human rights, care about an election?

No, the report is not political. The date for beggining the proces not the dates the inquiry would cover was shifted to avoid politicising the process.

 

[Xsess]

Richard Flanagan goes to town on the government.
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...her-pm-will-apologise-for-it?CMP=share_btn_tw

Absolutely nailed it.

Amazing critique. While ignoring those responsible for causing kids to be in detention is fanboi 101 this is the first article I've seen on the subject to mix in a charge of mysogyny, an attack on Murdoch (lol WTF), Prince Philip and declare Abbotts government the worst in history (despite freeing 1800 kids from Juliabrownrudds gulag). Poor Gillian Triggs. She was something far less: a woman defending powerless children with the truth (but only after it was politically opportune to do so).

 

[Play by Numbers]

Amazing critique. While ignoring those responsible for causing kids to be in detention is fanboi 101 this is the first article I've seen on the subject to mix in a charge of mysogyny, an attack on Murdoch (lol WTF), Prince Philip and declare Abbotts government the worst in history (despite freeing 1800 kids from Juliabrownrudds gulag). Poor Gillian Triggs. She was something far less: a woman defending powerless children with the truth (but only after it was politically opportune to do so).

The report wouldn't have been released until well into Abbotts term regardless.

 

[Xsess]

No, the report is not political. The date for beggining the proces not the dates the inquiry would cover was shifted to avoid politicising the process.

So she refused to hold an inquiry into children in detention when Labor was in power and these alleged abused were in full flight, because she didn't want her report to be political. But that's no longer the case...?

 

[AM]

So she refused to hold an inquiry into children in detention when Labor was in power and these alleged abused were in full flight, because she didn't want her report to be political. But that's no longer the case...?

The report was as critical of Labor as it was of the reactionaries.

Get over the timing of the release and embrace the comments of your future leader - Malcolm - who has hit the mark on this matter. The penchant for playing the man or, in this case the woman, will be the Mad Monks undoing.

Incidentally, Triggs would leave Brandis in her wake as a legal mind.

 

[Xsess]

Incidentally, Triggs would leave Brandis in her wake as a legal mind.

Is that why she recommended $300,000 compensation to a murderer?

 

[Play by Numbers]

So she refused to hold an inquiry into children in detention when Labor was in power and these alleged abused were in full flight, because she didn't want her report to be political. But that's no longer the case...?

She never refused.

She was appointed in 2012 and began her role into 2013.

Work was scheduled to begin on the report in late 2013, and was shifted by a couple of months. There is no great conspiracy.

And when the report, which didn't change in scope became an inquiry, the government was supportive

 

[romeoh]

Is that why she recommended $300,000 compensation to a murderer?

Apparently she got that quite right according to legal fraternity.
http://theconversation.com/legal-scholars-statement-in-support-of-gillian-triggs-36476
And yep-she is so far ahead of Brandis, not funny!

 

[Xsess]

She was appointed in 2012 and began her role into 2013.

Work was scheduled to begin on the report in late 2013, and was shifted by a couple of months.

So the report was delayed for 12 months for political reasons and by the time it was finally released (in 2015!) it was basically irrelevent, as the new govt hasn't put a single child into detention but has actually released 1800 (90%) of them. Then after all these years of enquiry we get a report loaded with emotive and misleading language, riddled with errors and lacking in hard evidence, while also failing to refer any of her alleged criminal behaviour to authorities (which would seem the first port of call if you uncover evidence of crime committed against children).

 

[AM]

Is that why she recommended $300,000 compensation to a murderer?

Glib posts like that tell us nothing. It's the sort of stuff you get from shock jocks commenting on court cases that they not only haven't sat through but haven't bothered t read the transcript of either. Meaningless comment.

Class barristers generally don't go into politics. Those gifted silk by political parties who can't hack it in the real world often do. Brandis has shown himself to be a ham-fisted klutz time and again since the reactionaries took government.

Just today, Bishop had to bail him out.

My guess is that when Malcolm takes over he'll find himself on the back bench.

 

[Play by Numbers]

So the report was delayed for 12 months for political reasons and by the time it was finally released (in 2015!) it was basically irrelevent, as the new govt hasn't put a single child into detention but has actually released 1800 (90%) of them. Then after all these years of enquiry we get a report loaded with emotive and misleading language, riddled with errors and lacking in hard evidence, while also failing to refer any of her alleged criminal behaviour to authorities (which would seem the first port of call if you uncover evidence of crime committed against children).

So you have just posted a huge paragraph of lies.

It was not delayed for 12 months.

It was released roughly when intended.

The inquiry was not irrelevant it looked at numbers, treatment and duration.

As to the content it was accurate, reasonable and has not been disputed.

 

[Xsess]

As to the content it was accurate, reasonable and has not been disputed.

So there are armed guards in these "prisons"?