NO TROLLS Hawthorn Racism Review - Sensitive issues discussed. Part 2

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[Linda Lovelace]

ok so they may penalise the Hawks, but...nobutti did nuttin.
Cool.
Sounds legit From the Australian Fence sitting League.

Standard practice.

Tanking = not tanking but guilty anyway

Systematic performance enhancing drug cheating program = guilty of not governing it correctly.

 

[Sphynx]

You're dreaming mate. Clarko's not choosing to go to court where it will be discussed why in his role of coach he rocked up to a house to make sure a player separated from his pregnant fiance.

It works both ways.

The same can be said for the accusers.

Their credibility and motive as realiable witnesses is going to be brought to bear.

That includes things like possible past/present drug addictions, gambling addictions, infidelity, their relationships with their partners at the time, medical records, what they discussed with Egan initially, when they first discussed compensation, their behavior whilst they were at the club, their behavior prior to the club, their upbringing, their parents and family environments, past criminal convictions, criminal convictions since the accusations etc.

They were clearly petrified of public opinion and there was more than enough insinuation by the media that there’s problems with a few of these points.

They will wish it was played out initially in the media compared to a defense KC going in depth into the above in Federal Court, under oath.

Especially as any contradiction in testimony is going to land the three coaches the smoking gun to massive defamation payouts against the ABC and Hawthorn.

 

[NarklesHelmet]

Yep. If "human right's abuse" is about as ugly a phrase as there is.

Yep, would be back on the front page of the BBC (like after the original Jackson article), but would look even worse for the AFL.

As a few of us have said, plenty to play out and lots of opportunity for the story to do a shitload of damage once it is out in the public domain.

 

[r_boy]

Right so the documents have been released and the investigation decided nothing to see here.

Time to move on folks

 

[Simon Crawshay]

Smart (if cynical) move by the AFL.

I'm far from the biggest admirer of the AFL boys club but realistically they were passed and absolute s..t storm by the HFC with Egan's "report" and once Jackson published his story it was essentially an unfixable situation.

I get the feeling they will still go hard at the HFC though at the way that report was set up (unbelievable that they didn't have right of reply to the accused in it) and I am hearing the AFL also has a strong suspicion someone from the HFC leaked it (which is a huge issue).

Now we get to the real game of legal back and forth between the players / coaches / HFC. Essentially this is where it was always going to end up once Jackson went the nuclear option with his article, the past 8 months have just been trash talk before the main event.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Right so the documents have been released and the investigation decided nothing to see here.

Time to move on folks

not until hawks penalised and the nuffy journo russell jackson who released the story without getting the defendants view

 

[Handsome.B.Wonderful]

That is a very strong statement from Fagan.

Particularly to acknowledge that Clarkson and Burt are innocent of wrong doing and that the documents of evidence support their denials.

 

[sr36]

I once told my sister she should consider divorcing her husband if she couldn't cope any longer with the relationship.

How on earth is that considered a racist remark?




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I'm trying to work out where my comment said anything about racism.

But if you are exhibiting paternalistic controlling behaviours towards indigenous people - it looks pretty dodgy in terms of racism. You'd want to show that your paternalistic controlling behaviours that involved helping the young men in your charge break contact with their pregnant fiances are across the board. That would be great for your reputation ... or maybe you just wouldn't want it to go to court and be on the public record. Maybe you just wouldn't want to sue for defamation.

 

[Corkintheocean]

The only ones who are looking at the colour of skin are the ones doing the accusing. Three good men have been accused of horrible things and the accusers have still not been named, it seems to be a case of "victim mentality" of these accusers.

If you want to accuse people in a public space then you should have the courage of your convictions and not throw accusations from their dark corners of anonymity. On face value these accusers and the Hawthorn Football Club have a lot to answer for.

Go on then - what's your name and address?

 

[BF Tiger]

How big is the rug at AFL House?

 

[SleepingGiant]

Right so the documents have been released and the investigation decided nothing to see here.

Time to move on folks

Nah champ. No moving on when a forced resignation and reputational damage has occurred left right and centre. The complainants and AFL should be crushed and sued however possible. To be able to throw rocks and get away with it because you are in a minority group is not on.

 

[10571z]

Fantastic result

Heard from a very very good source it was a disgruntled ex player in a bad spot chasing a pay day.

Seems to match up with the result today

Also the player I know it to be has set their social media extremely private

 

[r_boy]

not until hawks penalised and the nuffy journo russell jackson who released the story without getting the defendants view

Jackson is cooked as a journalist.

Who in their right mind would go to him with sensitive information?

He just created a lot of pain for people and no benefit for anyone.

 

[sr36]

It works both ways.

The same can be said for the accusers.

Their credibility and motive as realiable witnesses is going to be brought to bear.

That includes things like possible past/present drug addictions, gambling addictions, infidelity, their relationships with their partners at the time, medical records, what they discussed with Egan initially, when they first discussed compensation, their behavior whilst they were at the club, their behavior prior to the club, their upbringing, their parents and family environments, past criminal convictions, criminal convictions since the accusations etc.

They were clearly petrified of public opinion and there was more than enough insinuation by the media that there’s problems with a few of these points.

They will wish it was played out initially in the media compared to a defense KC going in depth into the above in Federal Court, under oath.

I'm talking about the suggestion of the coaches sueing for defamation.

 

[sr36]

Jackson is cooked as a journalist.

Who in their right mind would go to him with sensitive information?

He just created a lot of pain for people and no benefit for anyone.

No. He's still cranking out articles.

 

[South of the Yarra]

That’s all everyone wanted. Including the 3 accused.

Including the alleged victims

 

[South of the Yarra]

Ok, so not a fait accompli, and probably significant hurdles to clear, to get to such a point.

Two families already well down the track

 

[eastfreo75]

Absolutely zero

Sorry, they can issue fines and make findings.

https://www.fairwork.gov.au/tools-and-resources/fact-sheets/rights-and-obligations/workplace-discrimination#:~:text=A%20court%20can%20impose%20penalties,per%20contravention%20for%20a%20company.

 

[HairyO]

Will the AFL be announcing how much they paid in hush money?

If its a large enough amount I assume has to be declared. So I suspect each individual payment will be just under that amount.

 

[SSwans2011]

Jackson is cooked as a journalist.

Who in their right mind would go to him with sensitive information?

He just created a lot of pain for people and no benefit for anyone.

Come off it. He's one of the best sports journalists in the country.

 

[r_boy]

I haven't seen Strapping Young Lad on the last 3 pages of this thread is he okay?

 

[r_boy]

Come off it. He's one of the best sports journalists in the country.

Would you go to him with sensitive information?

 

[Devington]

I haven't seen Strapping Young Lad on the last 3 pages of this thread is he okay?

Careful, wouldn't want to be accused of gaslighting.

 

[kreuze_missile]

AFL kangaroo court over, now off to real court.

Seems nobody is happy with how the AFL have handled this situation.

What a mess.

 

[ibd77]

Nothing in that statement stopping them going after the accused individually

Great question from Robbo

True but do they have the intestinal fortitude? Clearly they wanted to hide behind the process and the AFL. Now if they want to challenge them personally means they have to reveal themselves and their evidence in a very public forum.