Discussion Hickey and Longer
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The club is playing Tom Fwd because he can also play ruck...
It's not hard to understand that, is it.
This line of thinking started 4 weeks ago in the VFL.
In the 4 games fwd (1 VFL)
He has taken 3 marks inside fwd 50
Averaging
13 possessions, 4 marks and 1 goal
He's been handy
Spending his time 80-20
I actually have changed my tune on his value
Not because I rate him as a ruckman... He is too light and not physical enough
Not because I rate him as a fwd... Not mobile enough, not strong enough in body contests
But if you add his value of both together... And he plays well
He can be a valuable and important player.
He needs to get more physical
It's not hard to understand that, is it.
This line of thinking started 4 weeks ago in the VFL.
In the 4 games fwd (1 VFL)
He has taken 3 marks inside fwd 50
Averaging
13 possessions, 4 marks and 1 goal
He's been handy
Spending his time 80-20
I actually have changed my tune on his value
Not because I rate him as a ruckman... He is too light and not physical enough
Not because I rate him as a fwd... Not mobile enough, not strong enough in body contests
But if you add his value of both together... And he plays well
He can be a valuable and important player.
He needs to get more physical
Actually I think he's playing forward because he's currently our best option as a tall forward... He replaced McCartin.
Considering we played 1 ruckman for the first 5 rounds it looks like richo is more than happy to play with only 1.
If white/lee/membrey/mccartin are considered better forward options they will force hickey out.
None of those players can really ruck to any effect.
Only a simpleton would single out one skill.
Franklin/Hawkins/Tippett/Kennedy - all have a completely different set of tools.
Really?
The club is playing Hickey because of his ability to relieve in the ruck primarily. Fact.
Neither can Bruce. When you are taking only a handful of hitouts, your forward game is a lot more important than your hitouts.
Who would you rather as your third tall - Bruce or McEvoy?
why didn't we do it from round 1 then?
Btw writing the word fact, does not make something a fact.
Actually it does because my source is impeccable.
But you can believe what you wish to believe.
Sure thing
They are picking s guy primarily so that he can spend 10-15 minutes relieving in the ruck... What he does as a forward for the rest of the game doesn't really matter.
It's weird that we went with one ruckman against Really strong ruck opponents, then decided we really needed an extra one for ayce cordy...
If hickeys kpi is hitouts at the moment he's failing badly. Fortunately he is actually mainly playing as a forward and doing well.
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Because he wasn't fit enough.imo
Needed VFL match fitness after a limited pre-season. He only played one and a half matches leading in round 1 since round 17 last year.
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i thought the longer hickey combo worked really well on the weekend
i think hickey is really benefiting from playing fwd, similar to bruce late last year/early this year. probably helping his knee as well
i think hickey is really benefiting from playing fwd, similar to bruce late last year/early this year. probably helping his knee as well
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to elaborate further thought hickey started to lead and present like a fwd and impacted the game in parts. improved on last week. will improve again next week IMO
as long as the improvement is there, why change it?
as long as the improvement is there, why change it?
exactly, but I was suggesting to marto was that if he is spending 80% of the game as a forward, then his impact in the ruck wont be his main metric...
20 hitouts will mean little if he has no marks or goals, inversely - 5 hitouts is absolutely fine if he plays like he has been.
I just did. It was pretty depressing mate
In 2 yrs time we are still all talking s**t and giving Shenton a hard time
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I just did. It was pretty depressing mate
In 2 yrs time we are still all talking s**t and giving Shenton a hard time
Now we know that machine doesn't work or you have switched teams to Ess because the only chance Shenton has of being on a senior list in two years time is if Ess players get a two year ban.
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Now that's a fact
Can't argue with those mate, although I imagine they would be just a small selection from a huge range of measurements, including amount of ground covered, score involvements, and all the standard stats like tackles and touches...
I don't think there is a magical number that dictates whether he gets dropped or not... The biggest factor is whether or not there is someone better to replace him.
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Three games, three goals for Hickey with a few misses as well. Whichever way you look at it that's a win from your forward-ruck.
Lets cut him some slack, the structures were all thrown out this week.
If Hickey continues to average 15 disposals (10 contested), 4 marks (2 contested), 1 goal, 3 tackles, 4 1%ers and 6 hitouts per game as our 2nd/3rd forward and backup ruck he will not be dropped. But I suspect his stats are actually going to improve quite a bit as he gets used to playing what is a foreign role for him. Very talented player
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