James Hird's Essendon story has yet to be told - The Age

[jenny61_99]

Isn't the author of the article a poster on BB?

Yes but who?

 

[jenny61_99]

So Caro should declare her hand then?

Which is?

 

[Hearts to hearts]

Scooter @ScooterMcNeice · Feb 26
Its a very good day when Hird requests to see you. Had a great chat with a great man. Lovely to catch up with @sueanderson56 as well

Scooter @ScooterMcNeice · Feb 27
Article on Hird is finished & sent to editors of The Age. Now we wait and see if they will print. Special thanks to Rohan Connolly for help

I've highlighted the dates on those tweets ... no reason. Lots of good quotes from the under-9s coach, league administrator etc.

Good get. A great chat so Hird could explain how he isn't allowed to talk to anyone about any of this. Too funny.

 

[Armchair Critic]

Scooter @ScooterMcNeice · Feb 26
Its a very good day when Hird requests to see you. Had a great chat with a great man. Lovely to catch up with @sueanderson56 as well

Scooter @ScooterMcNeice · Feb 27
Article on Hird is finished & sent to editors of The Age. Now we wait and see if they will print. Special thanks to Rohan Connolly for help

I've highlighted the dates on those tweets ... no reason. Lots of good quotes from the under-9s coach, league administrator etc.

It's the gift that keeps on giving.

 

[SBYM]

So you're saying that any journalist with connections should point them out?

What is the nature of the connections?

He's a member? He's got a mate who works there? Or something more formal?

 

[Albert Ross]

It's the gift that keeps on giving.

Took his quotes from the Prahran website via the Stonnington Leader without credit http://www.prahranfootball.org.au/content.aspx?print=1&file=30890|25572n

 

[Better Loosen Up]

I'm hoping that ASADA will take the liberty of telling the story for him

 

[Sector 7G]

Scooter @ScooterMcNeice · Feb 26
Its a very good day when Hird requests to see you. Had a great chat with a great man. Lovely to catch up with @sueanderson56 as well

Scooter @ScooterMcNeice · Feb 27
Article on Hird is finished & sent to editors of The Age. Now we wait and see if they will print. Special thanks to Rohan Connolly for help

I've highlighted the dates on those tweets ... no reason. Lots of good quotes from the under-9s coach, league administrator etc.

Is this the story that not even Chip or Robbo would touch or has Hirdy made a conscious decision that it was time to change fanboy? If so has anyone seen Robbo as he could be taking it hard that is is No3 on the Hirdy Speed dial.

 

[Armchair Critic]

Took his quotes from the Prahran website via the Stonnington Leader without credit http://www.prahranfootball.org.au/content.aspx?print=1&file=30890|25572n

Naughty boy

 

[onemancyclone]

Took his quotes from the Prahran website via the Stonnington Leader without credit http://www.prahranfootball.org.au/content.aspx?print=1&file=30890|25572n

Ah, a white collar thief.

 

[Albert Ross]

Is this the story that not even Chip or Robbo would touch or has Hirdy made a conscious decision that it was time to change fanboy? If so has anyone seen Robbo as he could be taking it hard that is is No3 on the Hirdy Speed dial.

We know that Watson, Goddard and Myers met with Polomeister and Dillon "last week". We know this was with club approval. We know the meeting got leaked. Can we assume this meeting was on the player's day off on Wednesday? We know Hird is meeting with a supporter on Thursday ahead of a favourable article to be submitted on Friday.

I don't like coincidences myself. It seems the Bombers are subtly getting onto the front foot for whatever reason.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

We know that Watson, Goddard and Myers met with Polomeister and Dillon "last week". We know this was with club approval. We know the meeting got leaked. Can we assume this meeting was on the player's day off on Wednesday? We know Hird is meeting with a supporter on Thursday ahead of a favourable article to be submitted on Friday.

I don't like coincidences myself. It seems the Bombers are subtly getting onto the front foot for whatever reason.

COINCIDENCES!

I bet Hird wishes he could get someone on his side who isn't so excited about being on his side they rush around with loose lips.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

What is the nature of the connections?

He's a member? He's got a mate who works there? Or something more formal?

He bumped into Jobe at Crown and got the inside word that way. That's as in as you can get.

 

[Armchair Critic]

Took his quotes from the Prahran website via the Stonnington Leader without credit http://www.prahranfootball.org.au/content.aspx?print=1&file=30890|25572n

I Am going to stir Rohan about it actually

 

[DapperJong]

Guys just sent my article to The Age hopefully they publish it. The font is in black AND red.

 

[DrEvil_]

Scooter @ScooterMcNeice · Feb 26
Its a very good day when Hird requests to see you. Had a great chat with a great man. Lovely to catch up with @sueanderson56 as well

Scooter @ScooterMcNeice · Feb 27
Article on Hird is finished & sent to editors of The Age. Now we wait and see if they will print. Special thanks to Rohan Connolly for help

I've highlighted the dates on those tweets ... no reason. Lots of good quotes from the under-9s coach, league administrator etc.

LOL! Is this for real? Essendon are so pathetic.

 

[Blueyboy74]

Scooter @ScooterMcNeice · Feb 26
Its a very good day when Hird requests to see you. Had a great chat with a great man. Lovely to catch up with @sueanderson56 as well

Scooter @ScooterMcNeice · Feb 27
Article on Hird is finished & sent to editors of The Age. Now we wait and see if they will print. Special thanks to Rohan Connolly for help

Feel a bit sorry for Scooter ... there he was getting all excited thinking Albert wanted to catch up with an old pal when really it would appear he was simply a pawn in Hirdy's crusade

 

[Reality rules]

Hird was senior coach when this happened and declared in that first press conference that he would take full responsibility. Since then he has done nothing to shoulder that responsibility whilst others have fallen - to the contrary he has attempted at every turn to shift responsibility away from himself.



He was balls deep - "Not as good as ours", "united nations skills" .......



Apologised for what, pray tell? His court submission said he was bullied into accepting the AFL penalty and accepted it against his will so its fair to suggest his "apology" was similarly forced as he believes nothing wrong was done. He is unrepentant and far from wanting the truth to come out he has actively litigated to prevent that truth from seeing the light of day

I have said previously that I admired Hird greatly as a player. He was all you want a footballer to be - talented, courageous, fair, competitive and didn't carry on like a knob on the playing field. The way he has conducted himself since this scandal first became public knowledge has done James Hird no credit whatsoever as he has come across as a spoilt entitled brat, a golden child mentality that has been reinforced by the attitude of Essendon supporters like the one who wrote this article unable to countenance that he stuffed up.

That is why he has been lambasted and rightly so.

It has never been 'proved' that he was bullied or suffered any hardship for accepting the deal he accepted. Accepting what he has said as being 'true and correct', why did he accept the deal and refuse to state at that point this 'bullying' at that time.

By virtue of his conduct since accepting the 'deal' and his later allegations infers he is a unreliable witness. Point highlighted in the summary from his second appeal.

 

[Reality rules]

Phil?

Fabulous!

 

[LoungeLizard]

It has never been 'proved' that he was bullied or suffered any hardship for accepting the deal he accepted. Accepting what he has said as being 'true and correct', why did he accept the deal and refuse to state at that point this 'bullying' at that time.

By virtue of his conduct since accepting the 'deal' and his later allegations infers he is a unreliable witness. Point highlighted in the summary from his second appeal.

Even if they did take "a deal"
Some say it was for doping as well, but they are so innocent, so why take the deal?
Did they actually take the deal because they know they are guilty and thought this would end it?

 

[Reality rules]

Half truths, probably lies.

Come Echols.....Omissions aren't lies.

 

[teknodeejay]

Hird and Integrity for nearly 20 years do not go together. Hird and Cheating for nearly 20 years do go together.

 

[Reality rules]

Essendon to date have been adroit at not letting the truth out. Stupid article. And poorly written too. A bit like those consent forms.

Well he is a avid poster on BB!

 

[Malifice]

Surely that article is a pisstake.

 

[Spitta09]

1. With the assistance of Shane Charter (Charter), a convicted drug dealer, Dank ordered various peptides, or the raw materials for such peptides. The compounding of these substances was undertaken by Nima Alavi (Alavi) at the Como Compounding Pharmacy (Como). At least some of these substances were intended by Dank for administration to players at the Club and were in fact administered to players at the Club.
   
   On 2 December 2011, Charter returned to Melbourne with raw material for GHRP-6, CJC-1295, Thymosin Beta-4 and IGF1-LR3. During December 2011, he also ordered from China, via email, on behalf of Dank: GHRP-2, GHRP-6, CJC-1295, Hexarelin, Thymosin beta-4 and Mechano growth factor. These substances were delivered to Alavi
   
2. Notwithstanding that this would represent: (a) an extraordinary escalation in the frequency with which players were to be injected and otherwise administered supplements; and (b) players being injected with supplements with a frequency unprecedented at the Club no person at the Club recognised and properly responded to this indication that the supplements program potentially posed a risk to the players’ health, welfare and safety, nor did any person at the Club recognise the need for, and demand the implementation of, a system for the comprehensive recording of the provision of supplements to the players.
   
   
3. Thymosin, Colostrum and Tribulus were not approved by Reid, in accordance with the Protocol, or otherwise.
   
   
4. The Thymosin referred to on the “Patient Information/Informed Consent” forms and administered to the players was: (a) Thymosin Beta-4 which is prohibited by the AFL Anti-Doping Code and the World Anti-Doping Code (the relevant facts in relation to this allegation are set out in Annexure A to this Notice of Charge); alternatively (b) a substance in respect of which the Club had failed to reasonably satisfy itself was not prohibited by the AFL Anti-Doping Code and the World Anti-Doping Code.
   
   
5. The duration of the effect of peptides, including Hexarelin, remains speculative for lack of sound clinical data on their use under well-defined conditions. However, if Hexarelin is administered in sufficient doses or in repeated doses to cause sustained growth hormone release, the effects (including recovery from post-treatment withdrawal effects) may last many months or even up to a year or longer, depending on dose and duration of use. Thymosin Beta-4 is even less well understood, and while not a growth hormone releaser, it could well have equally sustained effects, again depending on dose and duration of use.
   
   
6. On 2 August 2011 Dank forwarded a text message to Robinson stating: Hi mate. Just in consult for a shoulder reconstruction. This case will be of interest to you. We are utilizing Thymosin post surgically for one shoulder but prophylactically for the other. Thymosin is so effective in soft tissue maintenance.
   
   
7. Dank was referring to Thymosin Beta-4 and not Thymosin Alpha as the functions of Thymosin Beta-4, but not Thymosin Alpha or Thymomodulin, include tissue regeneration and recovery functions.
   
   
8. On 23 August 2011 Dank forwarded a text message to Robinson stating: Don’t forget how important Thymosin is. This is going to be our vital cornerstone next year. It is the ultimate assembly regulatory protein and biological modifier.
   
   
9. Dank was referring to Thymosin Beta-4 and not Thymosin Alpha as the functions of Thymosin Beta-4, but not Thymosin Alpha or Thymomodulin, include tissue regeneration and recovery functions.

Ziggy / EFC

heir mission was to increase strength of players primarily through a revised weights program. This quickly morphed into a larger effort involving allegedly leading practices in sports medicine. This fitness strategy was appropriately bounded by instructions that all practices be compliant with the relevant codes.

However, the supplement plan, if one existed, evolved and probably never reached a coherent, consistent shape. Innovative supplement practices and compounds soon appeared - somewhat predictably given the mandate of the High Performance team. The leaders of the program insist their methods were always legal and compliant, and that conviction prevailed and still prevails within the football department.

But a number of management processes normally associated with good governance failed during this period, and as a result, suspicions and concerns have arisen about the EFC.

In particular the rapid diversification into exotic supplements, sharp increase in frequency of injections, the shift to treatment offsite in alternative medicine clinics, emergence of unfamiliar suppliers, marginalization of traditional medical staff etc combine to create a disturbing picture of a pharmacologically experimental environment never adequately controlled or challenged or documented within the Club in the period under review.

Compliance rules existed but normal controls during an abnormal period were insufficient to check the behaviours of some people who may have contravened accepted procedures, and the CEO and the board were not informed.

Dank interview:

Stephen Dank: It is very high in [proteins]. I think your doctor source could possibly be right but there is some very, very good data supporting it. There is some data not so supportive, to be honest. But at the end of the day, right, if we have to wait for an absolute blueprint piece of scientific literature on everything that is used in exercise we would end up using nothing. Advertisement
NM: Thymosin Beta 4 – why was that used in Essendon players given there is an opinion from a doctor or researcher and other scientists that its effects are uncertain? (note: The AFL believes it has a strong circumstantial case that TB-4 was used on players.) SD: That's not totally true Nick because, with all due respect, right, there is good data – very good data – that supports Thymosin Beta 4 in the immune system. NM: OK, why give it to all Essendon players if only some of them had colds and flu? SD: Well, the point is that there is a degree of immunosuppression after a game or a hard training week, right. Often times the ability to back up next week is decreased by the hit on the immune system. NM: Did you see any indications in Essendon players that it actually helped them? SD: Well apart from the fact they won 11 out of their first 14, right, and we did regular bloods [blood tests] . . . at the end of the day I was very happy with the science, I was very happy after working a long time in football, right, that there are periods of malaise which are possibly related to sub-clinical flus and sub-clinical colds, right, which can affect performance. When we want to be honest, Nick, how much performance data is there out there on Actovegin [calf's blood extract)] NM: There's a lot, isn't there? SD: No there's not! So, you know, you've got to extrapolate from the science. NM: How often were Essendon players taking Thymosin Beta 4? SD: [Explains the dosage level but asks that this be not published]. NM: ASADA has just released on its website that Thymosin Beta 4 is prohibited in all routes and out of competition. SD: Well, that must have just only come in this year and I will get someone to speak to ASADA about that. That's just mind-blowing. NM: Thymosin Beta 4, they must have just banned that.

Richard Baker, Jake Niall, John Silvester, Nick McKenzie

One email shows Charter, who has become a key ASADA witness, advising Dank to inject the drug once a week for six weeks and then once a month to get the ''best results''. This advice is repeated in consent forms given by Dank to Essendon players last year for the injection of a substance referred to in the forms simply as ''Thymosin''. ''The recommendation for the following intervention for you: 1 Thymosin injection once a week for six weeks and then 1 injection per month,'' the consent form states. A Thymosin consent form obtained by Fairfax Media was signed by Dank and witnessed by suspended fitness chief Dean Robinson. It was not signed by club doctor Bruce Reid.

James Hird

Hird: "Good work today mate, the boys were up and about, we have a lot to work with.

Dank: "IVs start next week and Thymosin with Uniquinon. We will start to see some real effects.

Then between March 27-28:

Dank: "That is the IV list that will be completed by Wednesday night.

Hird: "Good work mate, (name deleted) rang me tonight and said how good he felt after he saw you."

On April 3, Dank detailed more substances:

"We have cerebrolysin, we will re-oxygenate and re-circulate the brain. We will also be getting Solcoseryl."

Also in April:

Dank: "All IV and injections completed.

Hird: "Great work mate, it would be a great effort to have them feeling fresh for Anzac Day

A good reminder as to why we all think he is a cheat and must go. Bombers fans whether or not the drugs were illegal or not is IRRELEVANT.. plain and simple he is either the biggest cheat or most incompetent coach the AFL has ever seen. Unbelievable how he still has his fanboys