Injury Josh Cowan - achilles injury

[The rabbi]

Ok, thanks for the correction. Marc Woolnough mrkii.

Incorrect.

Marcus Drum Mk11.

 

[catempire]

Can only be a rookie spot though. They've already extended Menzel's contract.

I would think so.

 

[AM]

That's terrible news for him. The silver lining is (I guess) that it's the same injury he had last time, but on the other achilles. When they correctly diagnosed it and sent him to a specialist in Europe he recovered really quickly last time, so if they do rookie him he'd hopefully be fit for preseason.

Shocking news for him.

Not sure how the club will handle it, but London to a brick he'll be back next year. As Snelling indicated.

Best wishes to Mike Snelling with his move to private practice.

 

[dazbroncos]

Sucks for Josh to get so far and so close..
REALLY hope he can get right after this other achilles surgery but as time stands still for no one, I feel a delist and rookie pick up may be his only lifeline.
I've been a fan of his for a while and truly hope he makes it back but this is such a long run up now for him.
I can't see with an allegedly deep draft coming that his spot can be held much longer. Delist, rookie him back and let him work his way back into the list.
Shitfully bad news but heres hoping he gets it a lll right…

Go Catters

 

[Vdubs]

Hate to rain on the parade, but news is in that Cowan will miss the rest of 2014.



Will be first to be delisted I'm afraid. Best he can hope for now would be a rookie lifeline.

Not so sure;
he'll be training at the time we need to make these selections, he is highly rated, and this plantaris invagination, once surgically treated, has a very good prognosis.
I think Pav had the same condition last year.

 

[Turbocat]

As I understand it , we have 1 Rookie spot. Depending on the main list , we may need it for a ruck. 3 Games in his time sort tells the story , I have no confidence that he will ever be a reliable best 22 player. And it must be galling to him and the club because is potentially a good player

 

[vinum coupe]

If Geelong keep him on, they are idiots.
Sorry to Cowan, but he has shown nothing but the ability to be injured.

When you correlate the idea of keeping Cowan and dropping Chappy or Pods (for example) it would be downright stupidity.

 

[Vdubs]

If Geelong keep him on, they are idiots.
Sorry to Cowan, but he has shown nothing but the ability to be injured.

When you correlate the idea of keeping Cowan and dropping Chappy or Pods (for example) it would be downright stupidity.

What is his contract status?
If he has another year or 2, they will keep him, if out of contract, different story, but his injuries of this year are very fixable, and non- Menzelian!

 

[AM]

What is his contract status?
If he has another year or 2, they will keep him, if out of contract, different story, but his injuries of this year are very fixable, and non- Menzelian!

Contracted or not he's a keeper. Although Snelling isn't part of the list management group I'd suggest his comment about Josh today being around next year is indicative of the clubs thinking.

If you look at our record we stick.

 

[_Me_]

The afl needs to give clubs a free kick for players like Cowan and Menzel
Ie they be played on an injured rookie list and year after added back to main list

This might assist in not rushing them back
And clubs not concerned with spots


He was taken to Sydney

 

[Pure_Ownage]

What is his contract status?
If he has another year or 2, they will keep him, if out of contract, different story, but his injuries of this year are very fixable, and non- Menzelian!

He's out of contract.

Late draft pick, injured for three years, I would say he is gone.

All the best to him for his future though.

 

[dazbroncos]

He's out of contract.

Late draft pick, injured for three years, I would say he is gone.

All the best to him for his future though.

Given that he is OOC, could you see a "swap" for say Toohey to get promoted from Rookie list ( who has shown some real stuff for mine in the VFL so far) and rookie up Josh providing he recovers and makes it thru a few months of training ( prior to Nov draft of course)

Just a thought…

GO CAtters

 

[TheWoodenSlug]

Not so sure;
he'll be training at the time we need to make these selections, he is highly rated, and this plantaris invagination, once surgically treated, has a very good prognosis.
I think Pav had the same condition last year.

No idea what that is, but it certainly sounds interesting!

 

[Tackle_happy]

They might be willing to keep him depending on what is available in the draft and whether they really think this surgery will ensure no more issues with his achillies (seeing it was the other last time).

Rookie listing looks good from my perspective ... but lets hope he gets things right with his body and shows us what has only been potential up until now.

 

[Partridge]

Not so sure;
he'll be training at the time we need to make these selections, he is highly rated, and this plantaris invagination, once surgically treated, has a very good prognosis.
I think Pav had the same condition last year.

VD, there are a thousand kids training when the drafts occur. They can actually get on the field occasionally. We've already extended the contract on one player who is very likely to not play again (Menzel), to do that with Cowan as well is irresponsible if not negligent from a list management perspective.

 

[Partridge]

Contracted or not he's a keeper. Although Snelling isn't part of the list management group I'd suggest his comment about Josh today being around next year is indicative of the clubs thinking.

If you look at our record we stick.

Not sure the club can afford to be so generous, especially not after already extending the contract on Menzel (and to a lesser extent Vardy).

 

[dazbroncos]

Not sure the club can afford to be so generous, especially not after already extending the contract on Menzel (and to a lesser extent Vardy).

I realise that you said lesser extent in regards to Vardy, but how much of guarantee are you after for a player to return after injury? I accept that player with a LTI may not come back but it seems, and maybe its just me, that injured players seem to end up on your won't make it pile fairly often.

If we differ on definitions of generosity, then its subjective and so be it. For mine, Menzel gets another shot as the knees are still structurally intact. Is it risky, sure is. But one made by people with greater medical knowledge and knowledge of the situation than I and clearly they view it to be calculated in their favour.

As for Vardy, the club is just allowing him the same playing time that he had before the knee. I realise that you have made it known that you are waiting to see how good he can be and he's a bit overrated currently - and that's fair - but is the extension not just allowing him time to do that? Im not sure its the cub being generous. Prudent maybe…

GO Catters

 

[Partridge]

I realise that you said lesser extent in regards to Vardy, but how much of guarantee are you after for a player to return after injury? I accept that player with a LTI may not come back but it seems, and maybe its just me, that injured players seem to end up on your won't make it pile fairly often.

It's actually not about Menzel and Vardy Daz, it's about Cowan. The point being that the club have already extended the contracts on Menzel, who at best is a long shot to play football again for us. Vardy will play again for us, but his development has been curtailed by his knee injury this season. That therefore is 2 players - 2 spots on the list - that really won't deliver much for us at least next year. With that in mind, can they afford to offer a new deal (remember Cowan is out of contract) to someone who is if anything more injury prone than either? That's my point.

 

[vinum coupe]

It's actually not about Menzel and Vardy Daz, it's about Cowan. The point being that the club have already extended the contracts on Menzel, who at best is a long shot to play football again for us. Vardy will play again for us, but his development has been curtailed by his knee injury this season. That therefore is 2 players - 2 spots on the list - that really won't deliver much for us at least next year. With that in mind, can they afford to offer a new deal (remember Cowan is out of contract) to someone who is if anything more injury prone than either? That's my point.

We've had a lot of players miss a lot of footy over the last 5 years.
Luckily we've had a bloody good top 25 to pick from, and an elite top 10 available.

You would think that all the injuries has to have effected our depth in some way.
You can't keep having 15% of your list having extended time away from developing as a footballer. You don't get better just because you get older.

 

[cynical]

problem is we have only seen a few games from Cowan and he is still unproven, not like Menzel

Menzel if comes good is a potential AA while Cowan looks to be a useful player

hence why he'll be delisted

always the chance he could get picked up as a mature ager if his body was right, but pretty unlikely it does

 

[Tackle_happy]

problem is we have only seen a few games from Cowan and he is still unproven, not like Menzel

Menzel if comes good is a potential AA while Cowan looks to be a useful player

hence why he'll be delisted

always the chance he could get picked up as a mature ager if his body was right, but pretty unlikely it does

The prognosis for his surgery is good (going by the other and the similar one to Pavlich last year).

Seems both tendons had the same problem - so there is no reason to think that his body will be not be right once this is sorted.

Is he worth keeping around? Yeah I think so, but the rookie list would be best at this stage.

 

[Pivo]

Good to see playstation 4 has released a new game which
is a copy of the old "Where in the world is carmen sandiego."

I played it for a couple hours searching the AFL side, the VFL side,
the injury list, the club site, listening to sen interviews etc etc.
I cant find him.

Overall the game lacks imagination and is quite annoying

4/10

It is fair to say that "Camen Sandiego", "Wally" and "the Beef" could all take tips from Josh on staying better hidden as all are more easily found than he is.

Without delving too deeply into his injury history (other than assuming he must know all our medical team really, really well) is he a case of "body not up to it" or just incredibly unlucky?

 

[Partridge]

It is fair to say that "Camen Sandiego", "Wally" and "the Beef" could all take tips from Josh on staying better hidden as all are more easily found than he is.

Without delving too deeply into his injury history (other than assuming he must know all our medical team really, really well) is he a case of "body not up to it" or just incredibly unlucky?

Body not up to it. Paul Lynch all over again, probably worse really (at least with Lynch we saw how good he was).

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Contracted or not he's a keeper. Although Snelling isn't part of the list management group I'd suggest his comment about Josh today being around next year is indicative of the clubs thinking.

If you look at our record we stick.

What were the exact words? Given the structure of our reserves in the VFL etc., it's reasonable to think that someone in Snelling's position isn't going to come out and say that Cowan had to prove himself in the AFL this year, he hasn't been able to do it, so we wish him well for the future. It's Snelling's job to keep him as upbeat as possible, but I'd have a serious issue with the club guaranteeing anything with regards to a list position (even on the rookie list) at the end of the year to Cowan, at this stage. Because if he is there in 2015, good luck to him, but it means that another player isn't. And that other player is likely to:

1. be significantly younger
2. provide depth in a specific area of need (maybe multiple areas)
3. have shown more than Cowan at senior level
4. some combination of 1,2 and 3.

I think most Geelong supporters wouldn't be hoping for Cowan to be delisted. But when it comes down to Cowan, or Schroder/Brown/Bews/Hamling/Hunt, or perhaps even another 8-10 game 'offer' to one of the older players (Kelly?), well, I'm sorry to Cowan, but he's last on that list for me. And if he stays on the list, gets himself right and becomes a 100 game player for Geelong, there will be no-one happier for him than me.

Incidentally, where is our 2009 draft/trade period starting to rank in terms of the all-time '****ed by injuries' years? Seriously, trading for Drum and drafting Vardy, Menzel and Cowan? If I was Neil Balme, I'd be assigning an around-the-clock bodyguard to Mitch Duncan.

 

[Partridge]

It's Snelling's job to keep him as upbeat as possible, but I'd have a serious issue with the club guaranteeing anything with regards to a list position (even on the rookie list) at the end of the year to Cowan, at this stage. Because if he is there in 2015, good luck to him, but it means that another player isn't. And that other player is likely to:

1. be significantly younger
2. provide depth in a specific area of need (maybe multiple areas)
3. have shown more than Cowan at senior level
4. some combination of 1,2 and 3.

I'd add a fifth one if I may MC:

5. Be able to occasionally get on the football field on matchday.

It's a harsh, sarcastic, and brutal comment. But it's also true.

I think most Geelong supporters wouldn't be hoping for Cowan to be delisted. But when it comes down to Cowan, or Schroder/Brown/Bews/Hamling/Hunt, or perhaps even another 8-10 game 'offer' to one of the older players (Kelly?), well, I'm sorry to Cowan, but he's last on that list for me. And if he stays on the list, gets himself right and becomes a 100 game player for Geelong, there will be no-one happier for him than me.

Same here. First thing required for any player is to be physically viable. If they're not, they shouldn't even be considered. None of the 5 other young guys you've mentioned have anywhere near as bad a record with injury. Brown did for his first 3 seasons; but by and large seems to be over that now. There's no issue I'm aware of with the remainder. You can't offer list spots to guys that are simply never going to be playing.

Incidentally, where is our 2009 draft/trade period starting to rank in terms of the all-time '****ed by injuries' years? Seriously, trading for Drum and drafting Vardy, Menzel and Cowan? If I was Neil Balme, I'd be assigning an around-the-clock bodyguard to Mitch Duncan.

I remember at one point thinking 2009 was going to be one of our great drafts. Now it's almost one we mustn't speak of.