Then why are so many still here?I think you'll find that majority of people don't care any more.
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Then why are so many still here?I think you'll find that majority of people don't care any more.
No, Middleton said not to issue infraction notices.Middleton pretty much told ASADA not to proceed until his decision. I think he will view this latest ASADA effort dimly - probably as dimly as Aurora's day in court.
Tough luck for you if you botched it up. Advantages or not has no effect on what you intended. People get done without deriving any advantage or even taking anything- like the guy who ordered banned drugs.What advantages? if anything all it did was cause heaps of injuries it's not like the club dominated the season and won the flag.
Makes no difference if you attempted but didn't succeed.No what im saying is what ever they took did jack s**t didn't enhance performance.
So as long as you don't miss any games you might accept it. Can't see that working for WADA.Could easily accept it after the finals, I'm on the fence on this one. Happy to take legal advice and go from there, I trust the players are getting the very best of legal advice.
No, wrongNo, Middleton said not to issue infraction notices.
Leaves one wondering .....
What a load of crap this is becoming. McDevitt is likely to make a bigger arsehat of himself than he did the weekend after SCNs were given to efc players (look I don't know what the burden of proof is I have only been in the job......)
He may end up looking more foolish than aurora and that would be something
I actually dont have too many problems with the players getting 6 months.
Nobody really believes that the players set this up. That the players initiated an intentional doping scheme.
So I am happy with 6 months for them ... if they plead guilty, and offer assistance, then even happy with it in the off season.
BUT
Hird, Corcoran, bomber Thompson, Bruce Reid ... they are the ones I want. They put this into place, or didnt stop it when it was their duty.
Pretty hard to argue with a positive test. And there is absolutely safety in numbers. The fact that we're talking about dozens of Essendon (and ex-Essendon) players is obviously a huge consideration in the ASADA/WADA thought process - they are basically trying to head off the immense pressure that will be brought to bear (by the AFL, and every other interested party) in favour of minimum penalties, irrespective of what such a large group of players *might* be found guilty of.
I'm not saying I agree with the approach. But it suggests to me that ASADA are very confident, and that this 'get-out' offer is their best attempt to manage the wrecking-ball they think they're about to swing through the Essendon list. I think most of us would prefer to see Essendon (players) and ASADA go toe-to-toe, no deals, and if Essendon (players) lose, they pay a heavy price. But politically, it probably can't happen that way.
How is it disregarding when they haven't done anything yet? They have not referred it to the ADRVP, there have not been infraction notices. Middleton was quite clear that he did not want to stop ASADA from doing their job, which is precisely what they are doing. He only suggested not to continue the SC process before a decision is reached. The process is still stalled, ASADA were always going to play good cop, court case or not.Judge Middleton made it very clear ( without giving an order ) that he expected ASADA to sit on the Show Cause notices until he handed down his ruling. Allegedly ASADA has written to the AFL suggesting deals - Surely this is disregarding Justice Middleton's advice during the Federal Court hearing ?
Bang onIt's ASADA making sure they get their 'minimum offer' on the record, to guide the AFL tribunal that will ultimately set the penalties. The Court case probably nullifies the ASADA/WADA definition of 'significant assistance', and proceeding with it will mean that Essendon players no longer qualify for the maximum discount on their penalties (*if* the show-cause and infraction notices stick).
Essendon are obviously still entitled to pursue zero suspensions (and I'm sure they will)... but the stakes are higher now. If the AFL tribunal tries to impose 6-month penalties, ASADA will be able to appeal, point back to this (rejected) offer and say "No, that 'significant co-operation' ship has sailed... 12 months minimum". And if it ever gets to that point, ASADA would probably win.
The weird thing about the Fed court case is the lack of direct involvement of players in the proceedingIngs saying on Twitter all offers of a deal need to be signed off by WADA, so interesting if this is legit.
Think more importantly is what would the repercussions be if Ess say yes to six months?
What happens to Hird? Board in November? Do players sue the club? What happens to the case in the Fed Court?
Do they play finals?
Well either way the EFC lose on this one. It's one thing for the players to be told you did bad but it's not your fault, however that points it all back on the club. Intention or not their system and protocols in place didn't protect the players. Plenty of potential issues for the club to come after that.The weird thing about the Fed court case is the lack of direct involvement of players in the proceeding
So we're clearly long past the point of ASADA acting like they give a stuff about justice and what ACTUALLY happened.
It's been going 18+ months. They want scalps. That's all this is about. It's pathetic.
kbro #UnitedWhy is this ASADA's fault they didn't inject CJC-1295 and GHRP-6 in a five week program. #StandByHird
I think you'll find they'll care a whole lot more if penalty isn't in line with the code.I think you'll find that majority of people don't care any more.
If he took cjc or ghrp he 100% did.There is no way Essendon will be taking any deals heck Paul Gallen refuses to take the 3 month ban as he will be labeled a drug cheat for the rest of his life.
He also 100% believes he has not taken a banned substance.
The Bombers board is hilarious. Amazing they are seeing this story as a huge win and no one has even considered the above.
I think you'll find they'll care a whole lot more if penalty isn't in line with the code.
In what way did we not cooperate 18 months ago exactly?That's the thing I can't understand. They seem to see any development as a win, no matter who damning it is to their case. The longer Essendon continue to draw this out, the worse it is going to be for them. Had they cooperated 18 months ago, this whole thing would be done and dusted, and Essendon would be preparing for the 2014 finals without this still hanging over their heads.