List Mgmt. Parent/Child Prospects vs Club Academies

[eth-dog]

Please tell me people aren't going to try to get Parent/Child smashed over for the purposes of "inclusive language".

We all know what it's called "fellow person who has an account and types things"... It's Father/Son.

Enough.

With AFLW now here, all the daughters are now eligible to play as well. And when they have kids, their sons should be eligible to play for the team their mums played in as well, don't you think? Parent/Child isn't "woke" (and yes, I know you never used that word), it's just the most practical term with the AFLW.

 

[Miller1971]

Yes and no. The thing is - nearly every academy kid ends up going to the academy club to which they are tied.

in cases where they wanted them, yes.

Lots of Lions Academy players playing AFL footy at clubs other than the Lions

 

[Kings of Lygon]

With AFLW now here, all the daughters are now eligible to play as well. And when they have kids, their sons should be eligible to play for the team their mums played in as well, don't you think? Parent/Child isn't "woke" (and yes, I know you never used that word), it's just the most practical term with the AFLW.

AFLW board.

Not trying to derail this thread though, it's Father/Son. Not taking anything away from the athletes, but the AFLW is too much of a Mickey Mouse competition at this point to start enacting rules like that. Maybe in the future.

 

[Dangerousfield]

Is that really the stated reason for the academies existing? Can you find that anywhere? I am not disputing it, but as someone up here in Brisbane who takes a strong interest in this stuff, I wasn't aware that was the reason, and you are 100% correct its not being use for that. It's just farming kids who were already playing and were identified by someone to be the most talented.

As for the likes of Hodge and Blakey, I don't think they do have the option to go in the open draft. It's either F/S or academy. Open draft is the only option, not available to them as far as I know.

You need to brush up on your rules.

Father/Sons are INVITED by clubs to nominate the club as a F/S selection, they can say no thanks and go in the open draft, as Marc Murphy in knocking back Brisbane's invitation to be a F/S.

Northern academies are about growing the game in hostile NRL (and soccer) states. They have hundreds of kids involved that are gradually whittled down as they get older. The success in growing the game has been significant, particularly in Queensland.

NRL clubs sign talented kids (with $ attached) at a much younger age than they are eligible for an AFL draft. That's what the AFL is competing against in NSW and Qld.

This is about establishing AFL in hostile territory, NGA's are just a farce created to appease the Eddie Maguire types whinging.

There should be NO DISCOUNT on bids, being able to match is incentive enough and you shouldn't be able to match with more than TWO PICKS. That would clean up most of the complaints.

 

[Dangerousfield]

The academies are designed to give the non traditional footy states a leg up.

Is that you Eddie Maguire?

Says the club blessed with Nick Daicos for a few junk picks!

 

[Miller1971]

You need to brush up on your rules.

Father/Sons are INVITED by clubs to nominate the club as a F/S selection, they can say no thanks and go in the open draft, as Marc Murphy in knocking back Brisbane's invitation to be a F/S.

Northern academies are about growing the game in hostile NRL (and soccer) states. They have hundreds of kids involved that are gradually whittled down as they get older. The success in growing the game has been significant, particularly in Queensland.

NRL clubs sign talented kids (with $ attached) at a much younger age than they are eligible for an AFL draft. That's what the AFL is competing against in NSW and Qld.

This is about establishing AFL in hostile territory, NGA's are just a farce created to appease the Eddie Maguire types whinging.

There should be NO DISCOUNT on bids, being able to match is incentive enough and you shouldn't be able to match with more than TWO PICKS. That would clean up most of the complaints.

you are missing my point.

A father/son selection that is also tied to an academy has 2 choices

1. Accept the F/S
2. Go via the academy process (where someone bids and the academy club can match)

They cannot go in the open draft.

A regular F/S prospect can either go F/S or open draft, but the academy prospect is still tied to the academy if they opt out of F/S

 

[MarcusP2]

you are missing my point.

A father/son selection that is also tied to an academy has 2 choices

1. Accept the F/S
2. Go via the academy process (where someone bids and the academy club can match)

They cannot go in the open draft.

A regular F/S prospect can either go F/S or open draft, but the academy prospect is still tied to the academy if they opt out of F/S

good point, if Perryman was a mad Crows fan he can't refuse to have their bid matched by GWS.

 

[Miller1971]

Yes, and if Hodge opts out of going F/S to hawks and then St Kilda bid on him in the 2nd round, he can't refuse to stick with Brisbane if they match the bid.

 

[Haggas]

The academies are designed to give the non traditional footy states a leg up.

Yeah it’s pretty massive leg up now though


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[HairyO]

The academies are designed to give the non traditional footy states a leg up.

By encouraging talented sporting kids to give Aussie Rules a go rather than the traditional sports from that state.

Pretty sure it wasnt intended for sons of former footballers who are affiliated with that club but didnt meet the F/S threshold.

It should have been a closed loophole before Blakey.

 

[Bianconeri]

Is that you Eddie Maguire?

Says the club blessed with Nick Daicos for a few junk picks!

Unlike Eddie Maguire I don’t have a problem with it.

Yeah it’s pretty massive leg up now though


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It really isn’t.

By encouraging talented sporting kids to give Aussie Rules a go rather than the traditional sports from that state.

Pretty sure it wasnt intended for sons of former footballers who are affiliated with that club but didnt meet the F/S threshold.

It should have been a closed loophole before Blakey.

The rule is fine how it is.

 

[Danw0w]

I wonder when we will get our first mother-son pick

 

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is another example of this, was a GC Suns Academy members but also qualified for F/S for NM and Geelong. He ended up choosing NM over us or the Cats, it comes down to what the player wants at the moment.

 

[BloodySwan]

Northern Academies are about producing talent from those states. Nurturing talent isn't just showing a kid what AFL is - there were talented kids playing AFL in NSW and QLD but they had no development.

Why would you exclude a kid from development because his dad played AFL? All you're doing is stimming their development, they likely wont be AFL quality and they will be lost to the game.

Blakey and Hodge aren't the first kids of former players to play in these states. They just didn't develop as there was crap all youth development in these states without the academies

 

[CrazyJoeFevola]

Yeah F/S precedence just makes sense. The big argument around the academies is that these potential players wouldn’t have discovered the game or would have been lost to it without the academy set up. It’s laughable to carry on that notion with sons of ex players especially ones who have played 100 games…

still have them as being able to be in the academy and if their old man’s side says they don’t want them, the relevant team then has 2nd dibs if they do want them.

 

[The 747]

Please tell me people aren't going to try to get Parent/Child smashed over for the purposes of "inclusive language".

We all know what it's called "fellow person who has an account and types things"... It's Father/Son.

Enough.

Progenitor/spawn rule

 

[big_e]

They do. But Blakey didn't want to play for North.

He was also available to Brisbane as a father son but his father had been with the Sydney Swans since Nick was 6 years old. It's all he knew and nobody was particularly surprised he chose to stay in the family home.

 

[WilloTree]

Even Jamarra Ugle Hagan was playing football at Scotch College on scholarship and in the TAC Cup - did the Bulldogs have anything to do with that? He indicated before the draft he'd barely spoken to them.

That is still one of the biggest howlers in AFL management history.

And there's been a lot.

 

[Tom14]

Bailey Scott is another example of this, was a GC Suns Academy members but also qualified for F/S for NM and Geelong. He ended up choosing NM over us or the Cats, it comes down to what the player wants at the moment.

Chris Johnson's son went to the bombers under the NGA rules and not as a F/S to the lions too. It was pretty immaterial as he was either taken very late in the national draft or in the rookie draft, but he wanted to stay in Melbourne.

 

[eth-dog]

Chris Johnson's son went to the bombers under the NGA rules and not as a F/S to the lions too. It was pretty immaterial as he was either taken very late in the national draft or in the rookie draft, but he wanted to stay in Melbourne.

That was a bit different. You prelisted fir the RD only and we wanted him so drafted him in the ND. He would have been yours otherwise

 

[Tom14]

That was a bit different. You prelisted fir the RD only and we wanted him so drafted him in the ND. He would have been yours otherwise

Good clarification, hadn't remembered that detail. In any case it didn't really bother me at the time (him being a fringe prospect made it easier to swallow).

At the end of the end of the day Hodge's kid is 14 and probably isn't worth too much discussion on here.

The F/S rule is one of the most ridiculous draft distorting rules we have but I'm happy to put up with it for a bit of romance and giving some draftees more control over their own future.

 

[GC2015]

An academy designed to bring new players to the game who wouldnt readily have played Aussie Rules.

I think the academy serves two main purposes. Bringing new players to the game that likely wouldn't have been exposed in the past and retaining talent that may have otherwise chosen to pursue another sport. We've seen plenty of examples of this going the other way in both Queensland in New South Wales with recent examples being rugby league players like Tom Trbojevic (Swans Academy), Kalyn Ponga (Brisbane Academy) and Hamiso Tabuai-Fidow (Gold Coast Academy) all playing junior Aussie rules and showing talent while being members of the northern academies but choosing to pursue rugby league instead.

Now some may say those examples don't apply to the Cooper Hodge situation because they didn't come from footy backgrounds and that may be a fair criticism, but we've also seen talented juniors from footy backgrounds lost to other sports as well. Darren Lockyer's father played in the QAFL for 10+ years and was very much an Aussie rules man who signed up Darren for junior footy in his younger years. Darren won several club B&Fs as a junior but over the course of the years that followed he stopped playing Aussie rules and started playing rugby league with his friends. Skip forward 20 years and he becomes one of the greatest rugby league players of all time when he could have been an Aussie rules footballer instead if he was given more opportunities.

Patty Mills from Canberra also may have pursued footy if the Swans Academy existed back then but it didn't and he ended up in the NBA instead. There's many, many examples of talented athletes from QLD & NSW showing talent in footy and being lost to the game for any number of reasons. It's not a perfect system but the northern academies do reduce the likelihood of losing talented athletes to other codes, regardless of whether the junior comes from a footy background or not.

 

[Mattrox]

Please tell me people aren't going to try to get Parent/Child smashed over for the purposes of "inclusive language".

We all know what it's called "fellow person who has an account and types things"... It's Father/Son.

Enough.

What about Mother-Son? Wouldn't mind having a son on Eb Marinoff running around with the Crows.

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[Mattrox]

Yeah it’s pretty massive leg up now though


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When one is so used to privilege, equity feels like oppression.

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[Haggas]

I think the academy serves two main purposes. Bringing new players to the game that likely wouldn't have been exposed in the past and retaining talent that may have otherwise chosen to pursue another sport. We've seen plenty of examples of this going the other way in both Queensland in New South Wales with recent examples being rugby league players like Tom Trbojevic (Swans Academy), Kalyn Ponga (Brisbane Academy) and Hamiso Tabuai-Fidow (Gold Coast Academy) all playing junior Aussie rules and showing talent while being members of the northern academies but choosing to pursue rugby league instead.

Now some may say those examples don't apply to the Cooper Hodge situation because they didn't come from footy backgrounds and that may be a fair criticism, but we've also seen talented juniors from footy backgrounds lost to other sports as well. Darren Lockyer's father played in the QAFL for 10+ years and was very much an Aussie rules man who signed up Darren for junior footy in his younger years. Darren won several club B&Fs as a junior but over the course of the years that followed he stopped playing Aussie rules and started playing rugby league with his friends. Skip forward 20 years and he becomes one of the greatest rugby league players of all time when he could have been an Aussie rules footballer instead if he was given more opportunities.

Patty Mills from Canberra also may have pursued footy if the Swans Academy existed back then but it didn't and he ended up in the NBA instead. There's many, many examples of talented athletes from QLD & NSW showing talent in footy and being lost to the game for any number of reasons. It's not a perfect system but the northern academies do reduce the likelihood of losing talented athletes to other codes, regardless of whether the junior comes from a footy background or not.

The AFL should be paying for these academy’s so the players go into the open draft and keep the integrity of the game


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