Society/Culture Should Australia Reinstate a The Death Penalty?

[rdhopkins2]

Should we bring back the death penalty in Australia?

Yes? Why?

No? Why?

There is no undecided. You're all in favour or all opposed.

Personally despite thinking a few scum feeders like Bayley deserve it, I would be concerned about the chances of executing an innocent person. So no for me.

 

[TheFreshBanana]

No

 

[Probitas_]

Firm no. We already murdered at least one innocent person in Australia with state execution many years ago, don't need a repeat of that.

 

[Admiral Byng]

Yes and no.

In very limited circumstances. To apply only when a person has committed enough crimes that would add up to say 150 or 200 years jail time if added all together. To be applied for in a separate hearing from the trial for any particular crime.

Then, the actual carrying out of the death penalty would have to be carried out by the Premier's own hand. Whatever method of execution is used, the Premier's own hand must activate it.

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

I have no moral objection to it, but you couldn't justify using it unless it was 100% certain that they are guilty e.g. there is video footage of them doing it (like that campaignerstain joke of a human that bashed that teenager in hungry jacks a few years ago).

The obvious worry is accidentally killing innocents. For that reason I don't think we could justify it. I have no problem with taking the life of murders/rapists etc

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

I have no moral objection to it, but you couldn't justify using it unless it was 100% certain that they are guilty e.g. there is video footage of them doing it (like that campaignerstain joke of a human that bashed that teenager in hungry jacks a few years ago).

The obvious worry is accidentally killing innocents. For that reason I don't think we could justify it. I have no problem with taking the life of murders/rapists etc

I'm the same as you, I have no moral objections either, I just don't like the thought of it ever being applied to an innocent person.

One mistake would be one too many.

 

[tandino]

No, unfortunately and begrudgingly.

 

[Wright Away]

No, because it really serves no purpose. Generally harsher penalties do not act as a deterent to the types of crimes that would warrant a death penalty. So is it about punishment then? I would say living the rest of your life without freedom is a greater punishment than a quick and painless death. It cannot be about protecting the community. It might be cheaper, but are we willing to be frugal in one area at the expense of the lives of innocent people convicted of crimes they did not commit. One person wrongfully given the death penalty is one person too many, and the State already has enough power with regards to using violence against citizens, they do not need anymore.

 

[Thrawn]

No. It's state sanctioned murder, it's ridiculously expensive and it's done as a revenge factor rather than rehabilitation/protecting society. The last two in particular are people who are most likely to be rehabilitated out of that list. Of course, there are a few cases where there's no chance of that. Killing them will not bring back dead people, it will not erase traumatic memories... it's simply bloodlust, nothing more.

 

[Sydney Bloods]

Never.

 

[Colonial]

Yes. Why should someone get a 2nd chance when victims and families dont.

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[TheWoodenSlug]

No. Never.

 

[The Sultan]

No... cheaper to them up and throw away the key, and the whole what if they were innocent.

 

[Father Jack]

It only makes sense if you are religious

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Yes. Why should someone get a 2nd chance when victims and families dont.

They don't. The only ones that would be candidates for capital punishment (Bandali Debs, Peter Dupas, Ivan Milat, John Travers) get to rot in a cell for the rest of their lives with no chance of parole.

 

[Colonial]

They don't. The only ones that would be candidates for capital punishment (Bandali Debs, Peter Dupas, Ivan Milat, John Travers) get to rot in a cell for the rest of their lives with no chance of parole.

Really? Murderers, Pedos and Rapists rot in a cell forever?

Hmmmm i dont think so

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[MC Extra Dollop]

Really? Murderers, Pedos and Rapists rot in a cell forever?

Hmmmm i dont think so

Paedophiles and rapists would not be candidates for capital punishment unless they added murder to that catalogue. I hate to break it to you, but even our 'shoot 'em all and let God sort 'em out' Yank mates wouldn't do that.

 

[Colonial]

Paedophiles and rapists would not be candidates for capital punishment unless they added murder to that catalogue. I hate to break it to you, but even our 'shoot 'em all and let God sort 'em out' Yank mates wouldn't do that.

True but Im not saying that we should follow the yanks.


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[Catfish Alley]

No. Reasons have been stated above. There are better ways.

 

[MaddAdam]

No. But the question will be revisited in New terms very soon imo when we find out the likes of Adrian Bayley are literally genetically different.

I'm firmly of the view that some, not all, violent sexual offenders have different "hard wiring" and soon we'll be able to test for it.

Raises some interesting ethical questions.

A - Do you go ahead with your pregnancy knowing your little boy is 50 per cent more likely to become a serious sex offender?

B - Johnny commits a hideous sex murder but his defence shows he carries the gene. How responsible is he?

 

[Probitas_]

He's not talking about a lack of responsibility in this instance but a physical difference in brain structure. There's growing evidence to support that being a distinct possibility.

 

[MaddAdam]

He's not talking about a lack of responsibility in this instance but a physical difference in brain structure. There's growing evidence to support that being a distinct possibility.

I'm basing my view off talking with homicide cops and forensic psychs.

 

[MaddAdam]

I know but I was making a 'social' commentator call...iirc some people in Finland established some genetic pattern in violent prisoners or something similar but they couldn't use it for prediction.

I doubt it will get to 100 per cent predictivity.

Also, there's people who dont have the gene who will do these things too for various reasons ... money, revenge etc.

 

[Sydney Bloods]

No. But the question will be revisited in New terms very soon imo when we find out the likes of Adrian Bayley are literally genetically different.

I'm firmly of the view that some, not all, violent sexual offenders have different "hard wiring" and soon we'll be able to test for it.

Raises some interesting ethical questions.

A - Do you go ahead with your pregnancy knowing your little boy is 50 per cent more likely to become a serious sex offender?

B - Johnny commits a hideous sex murder but his defence shows he carries the gene. How responsible is he?

and what are these tests based on? measuring the radius of persons skull?
first up there has been absolutely no "rape" gene detected in any studies.
the so called "warrior gene" is in reality a myth even the finn's have been forced to admit that the gene does not make the people with it violent.
the biggest correlation between "the gene" is violent behaviour increases dramatically with intoxication leading the finns to conclude that alcohol is in fact the over riding factor and they suggest this is due to the way the gene interacts with signals going to the brain.

the amount of people who wish to wash their hands of societies problems is staggering. Phrenology is dead stop trying to reinvent it.

 

[MaddAdam]

and what are these tests based on? measuring the radius of persons skull?
first up there has been absolutely no "rape" gene detected in any studies.
the so called "warrior gene" is in reality a myth even the finn's have been forced to admit that the gene does not make the people with it violent.
the biggest correlation between "the gene" is violent behaviour increases dramatically with intoxication leading the finns to conclude that alcohol is in fact the over riding factor and they suggest this is due to the way the gene interacts with signals going to the brain.

the amount of people who wish to wash their hands of societies problems is staggering. Phrenology is dead stop trying to reinvent it.

I'm not saying it exists. But it will.