The 2017 Rights Deal Discussion thread

[Our Game]

They need to at least have the capacity to do so to leverage against the networks. If Ten and Nine are out it leaves little leverage for the AFL with a joint Fox/7 deal. However if they think the AFL may walk and adopt their own streaming service they would both see the dollars walking out the door (especially Foxtel) and you'd see them come back to the table pretty quickly.

Im with you on this one It was one of the best money spent by AD to set up the AFLs own media unit and will pay off big time in the future

 

[Freomaniac]

foxtel will get all games live. I reckon 7 will get a friday night and sunday game. 9 might get 2 saturday games. Got this feeling thursday night footy will be a permanent fixture in the next tv deal.

 

[bigleague]

Discovery walks from Ten bid

American cable giant Discovery Communications has walked away from its offer to buy the main assets of Ten Network Holdings with Foxtel after rejecting the Ten board's alternative offer that it take only a 15 per cent stake and a board seat at the embattled broadcaster.

The news casts doubt over the future funding of Ten and over Foxtel's efforts to be part of a consortium that has control of the third-placed commercial network, which is behind Masterchef Australia, The Project and I'm A Celebrity... Get Me Out of Here!

While Ten's ratings have shown signs of recovery analysts still believe the loss-making company will run out of money within two years if it does not receive a cash injection.

Discovery is understood to have grown frustrated with the sales process and surprised by the level of detail in local press coverage monitoring the high-profile auction of the network, which boasts four Australian billionaires on its share register.

Ten executive chairman Hamish McLennan said in November that investment bank Citi had been appointed to consider several potential takeover offers – most of them from US-based media and investment companies.

The tortuous auction has been handled by Ten's independent directors led by deputy chairman Brian Long, advised by Citi. They have faced a tough task to deliver a deal that would satisfy the multiple competing interests from Ten's major shareholders, News Corp co-chairman Lachlan Murdoch, Crown chairman James Packer, mining magnate Gina Hancock and WIN Corp owner Bruce Gordon.

Discovery first joined forces with Foxtel, Australia's pay TV monopoly, last year with an indicative offer to buy the company for 26 cents a share. Foxtel, which is jointly-owned by News Corp and Telstra, is limited under cross-media ownership rules to a 14.99 per cent stake in Ten so Discovery would have owned the rest of the company.

After conducting due diligence the consortium dropped its offer to 23 cents a share before Christmas amid concerns about Ten's financial commitments, including its US output deals.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/medi...om-ten-bid-20150322-1m537g.html#ixzz3VApxyDiL

 

[Kwality]

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/medi...om-ten-bid-20150322-1m537g.html#ixzz3VApxyDiL

Only realistic hope for Ten is the Bruce Gordon Ten/WIN merger?

 

[Sydney Bloods]

Would be more about cost reduction than ratings.

Apparently a few NSW polis are pushing for SBS to be shut down because it's just for the "ethnics" and people who like soccer

Losing soccer saves a fair bit of coin that they can then use to buy in more uk or USA content

Nah, its just the conservatives not liking funding anything other then their private schools and tax breaks for oil magnets, they want all publicly owned stations shut down, especially the ABC.

the SBS only got a mention because both the ABC and SBS entered a bidding war on the A-league. its because they see the SBS as for ethnics that it gets less attention, they often forget it actually exists as they are too busy furiously hitting the enter on their emails to media watch, about how media watch never reads their "electronic-letters" on air. shortly before having a mild stroke when they realise they forgot to CC there Favourite blog site.

 

[Demonoid]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-players-want-say-in-rights-talks-20150323-1m5yds.html

 

[Kwality]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-players-want-say-in-rights-talks-20150323-1m5yds.html

Paul Marsh at work - TV negotiators would expect footy to have its 5hit together.

 

[bigleague]

There's a rumour going around that Channel 9 are trying to extend the NRL broadcast deal before the end of the year to prevent it going onto the open market.

 

[RUNVS]

There's a rumour going around that Channel 9 are trying to extend the NRL broadcast deal before the end of the year to prevent it going onto the open market.

Channel 7 tried the same thing last year with the AFL.

 

[Kwality]

Eddie McGuire is on the ball labelling the push by the AFL players to play a first-hand role in the forthcoming broadcast negotiations as "ridiculous".

The Collingwood president said the request from players' boss Paul Marsh to join the AFL at the negotiating table with media chiefs was generally dismissed by the club leaders in unofficial talks immediately after Tuesday's annual general meeting of the league.
http://www.smh.com.au/afl/mcguire-says-theres-no-role-for-players-in-broadcast-negotiations-20150325-1m7p1a.htmlis on the ball

Ed !!

 

[Freomaniac]

Supriseby the amount of A-league talk on here. I dont see them doubling up their deal. I see them get 60 million a year for the next4-5 years. I see 10 pay 10 million a year for a friday night game and live socceroos games. Foxtel topay 40-60 mil a year depending if the A-league increases to 12-14 Teams. Back on the topic... Any idea when channel 10 has new owners? It seems 7and foxtel will get the rights again. I didnt mind 10s coverage. If 9 retain the NRL rights, only way I see them get the AFL Rights is by getting 2 saturday games and possibly thursdays.

 

[Kwality]

There's a rumour going around that Channel 9 are trying to extend the NRL broadcast deal before the end of the year to prevent it going onto the open market.

The NRL need to decide if State of Origin games are offered as a package.

 

[bigleague]

The NRL need to decide if State of Origin games are offered as a package.

There's a whole heap of things the NRL need to decide before agreeing to another deal, namely expansion and the season structure, both are being reviewed this year which makes me skeptical as to whether the NRL would commit to an extension when they don't yet know what they are selling. Nine and fox are nervous because news corp relinquished the f&l rights and for the first time in a long time the game could change hands or at least conceivably be shared across networks. The NRL haven't had the luxury of the power over their competition structure for a long time, it's always been beholden to what TV wants and I think this next deal will look very different.

 

[Connar]

Soccer TV Rights Predictions:

Socceroos: Seven
A League All Stars Game: Seven
A League Tournament: Ten
W League Tournament: Ten

 

[Sydney Bloods]

There's a whole heap of things the NRL need to decide before agreeing to another deal, namely expansion and the season structure, both are being reviewed this year which makes me skeptical as to whether the NRL would commit to an extension when they don't yet know what they are selling. Nine and fox are nervous because news corp relinquished the f&l rights and for the first time in a long time the game could change hands or at least conceivably be shared across networks. The NRL haven't had the luxury of the power over their competition structure for a long time, it's always been beholden to what TV wants and I think this next deal will look very different.

on the contrary, if other networks are serious about getting games foxtel will need to up their anti to maintain the number of games they have exclusive access to, with the pay tv market finally opening up through online content, Sports coverage is more important then ever.

 

[bigleague]

on the contrary, if other networks are serious about getting games foxtel will need to up their anti to maintain the number of games they have exclusive access to, with the pay tv market finally opening up through online content, Sports coverage is more important then ever.

how is that contrary to what I said?

 

[Demonoid]

Wonder if new young gun Ryan Stokes will play a part...

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...oelte-steps-down/story-fni0cx12-1227301748373

 

[bigleague]

There's a rumour going around that Channel 9 are trying to extend the NRL broadcast deal before the end of the year to prevent it going onto the open market.

NRL rights on table

In what may prove to be an even bigger stoush than Keneally v Cameron, there is the potential for the NRL broadcast rights to go *earlier than anticipated. While all eyes are on the AFL rights, don’t rule out the NRL going early.

NRL chief executive Dave Smith expects the rights to increase by about 10 per cent — realistically, this is a conservative figure. Based on that evaluation, it would see the price increase from $200 million a year to between $220m and $250m, including a digital component.

The first round of discussions with free-to-air networks has been held over the past five or six weeks.

On Media Watch last Monday, Nine CEO David Gyngell said he was anticipating he would have to pay significantly more for the rights, but this was something he would be prepared to do.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...invest-in-israel/story-fnab9kqj-1227300783958

 

[Experimental]

On Media Watch last Monday, Nine CEO David Gyngell said he was anticipating he would have to pay significantly more for the rights, but this was something he would be prepared to do.

Wasn't it Gyngell who said it was ludicrous that the AFL rights would increase by much whatsoever and that it wasn't worth it?

 

[bigleague]

Wasn't it Gyngell who said it was ludicrous that the AFL rights would increase by much whatsoever and that it wasn't worth it?

Yep and on media watch last week he said the networks will talk the rights values down but they would go up by more than they wanted but not as much as the codes wanted.

 

[Kwality]

Wasn't it Gyngell who said it was ludicrous that the AFL rights would increase by much whatsoever and that it wasn't worth it?

As CEO of a FTA network, he is conflicted, but he does not know what he is on about even if its not what AFL fans want to hear.

 

[Our Game]

As CEO of a FTA network, he is conflicted, but he does not know what he is on about even if its not what AFL fans want to hear.

Typical of the Sydney media who dont have a clue about Australian Football/AFL and dont like us as well!
The market will determine the price not Sydney centric RL BS artists like Gyngell.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Typical of the Sydney media who dont have a clue about Australian Football/AFL and dont like us as well!
The market will determine the price not Sydney centric RL BS artists like Gyngell.

Gyngell and 9 is a fair chunk of that market.

 

[Sydney Bloods]

Typical of the Sydney media who dont have a clue about Australian Football/AFL and dont like us as well!
The market will determine the price not Sydney centric RL BS artists like Gyngell.

its a lack of understanding of TV that erks AFL fans. Just as last time we were all here bagging the NRL saying they'd never get a TV rights deal for a billion dollars blah blah blah blah.

fact is nrl rights were comparative to ours despite only 2 live games and 1 delayed game each week in 2 states, the other states aren't guaranteed all 3 games.

this is not a code war thing its purely a TV thing.
The NRL can draw more money despite being less popular for a number of reasons. number 1 is state of origin which is consistently the highest rating sports programs each and every year. the second is the running time and nature of ads during the game. keeping the majority of games on fox also increases value as FTA networks pay overs for a few games a week or risk losing origin from fta as its packaged with H&A games. then there's control the tv networks exert over the NRL fixture. its all made for tv $$$

the AFL however fights tv at every opportunity, it wont play on good friday, it wont play a night grandfinal, it wont give tv control over slots, it insists on the game being broadcast live into all states. it is the popularity and support the code has which generates the income and this is why the rights wont increase by much unless the AFL make concessions. it's got nothing to do with NRL vs AFL its whats in the best interest of the tv networks.

its all tv the NRL has already bastardised there product for tv, so the FTA networks have nothing to leverage they have no choice but to pay or lose the product. the AFL has several concessions it can make and the FTA networks will try and force them. this is purely about who blinks first. all this talk is to put downward expectations on the AFL making them more likely to be the ones that blink.

 

[bigleague]

its a lack of understanding of TV that erks AFL fans. Just as last time we were all here bagging the NRL saying they'd never get a TV rights deal for a billion dollars blah blah blah blah.

fact is nrl rights were comparative to ours despite only 2 live games and 1 delayed game each week in 2 states, the other states aren't guaranteed all 3 games.

this is not a code war thing its purely a TV thing.
The NRL can draw more money despite being less popular for a number of reasons. number 1 is state of origin which is consistently the highest rating sports programs each and every year. the second is the running time and nature of ads during the game. keeping the majority of games on fox also increases value as FTA networks pay overs for a few games a week or risk losing origin from fta as its packaged with H&A games. then there's control the tv networks exert over the NRL fixture. its all made for tv $$$

the AFL however fights tv at every opportunity, it wont play on good friday, it wont play a night grandfinal, it wont give tv control over slots, it insists on the game being broadcast live into all states. it is the popularity and support the code has which generates the income and this is why the rights wont increase by much unless the AFL make concessions. it's got nothing to do with NRL vs AFL its whats in the best interest of the tv networks.

its all tv the NRL has already bastardised there product for tv, so the FTA networks have nothing to leverage they have no choice but to pay or lose the product. the AFL has several concessions it can make and the FTA networks will try and force them. this is purely about who blinks first. all this talk is to put downward expectations on the AFL making them more likely to be the ones that blink.

SoO is on anti-siphoning list so it will always be on FTA, as will at least 3 NRL games each week.

The NRL went the other way in the last deal to some extent, introducing a fixed schedule for first 20 rds, all FTA games shown live to air nationally on secondary channel (except Adelaide has been allowed to revert back to midnight for reasons unknown). With news corps f&l rights removed I think the next deal will continue further down that route and get more control of the game back from TV.