Bacon Warrior
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I could barely read Hoskin-Elliott's name even when the camera did a close up on his back.
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Names on jumpers have no real benefit and it is nothing more than a gimmick where as a sponsors logo is a matter of survival and another means to function as a club.Already made my opinion clear on this - that I don't think it's a good or bad thing either way, but this was always going to happen in the AFL eventually. The AFL should focus on implementing a proper clash jumper system first though.
Yes names on back is about the money, but for over 100 years jumpers didn't have sponsors on them, now they do. Personally I find sponsors much more worse than a name on the back, and I'd much rather see the player's name above the number than another sponsor. I find it amazing how people get offended by a name on the back but are okay with sponsors. But I do agree it doesn't really bring much to the game, unless if you're up close you won't be able to clearly see the name.
The names looked okay on the Richmond, GC and Essendon jumper, it looked terrible on ours because of the arched back of the paddlepop jumper, it will look okay on our proper jumper as long as "BBFFC" is moved to the collar or removed. Norf should decide either to make the letters black or the numbers blue, one or the other, not a mix. Adelaide's looked tacky because the number had a white outline but the name didn't - again pick one or the other, not half and half. Also "BBFFC, SMFC, FFC, 1870" etc. should be moved to the collar when this becomes a permanent thing next season.
For those against names on top of the player's number on the back, would you rather have a name up there or another sponsor? I know what I rather have.
tl;dr: this would look okay if done properly, not bothered either way but I think this will be permanent from next year onwards.
Here are my 2015 Lions home, away and clash jumper mockups:
Clubs survived without jumper sponsors for 100+ years (Yes I know it's a different ball game today, but it seems to be the argument of the anti-change brigade).Names on jumpers have no real benefit and it is nothing more than a gimmick where as a sponsors logo is a matter of survival and another means to function as a club.
Do you know why MW Jumpers are now bidded on and more expensive than other MW Jumpers?
Its the Names. The AFL are making a profit of it because the fans like the names that's why they bid more money on them. A normal Cox MW jumper is $200-$250. The MW with his name is $500 and to go more.
Hell, you couldn't even read the numbers from there, let alone names or ads, so that argument that the difference is the ground v. field and how well you can read the names/sponsors doesn't hold water.
Both names on jumpers and sponsors on jumpers have the same purpose as each other, but use different means of doing so. It just seems ridiculous to get worked up about one but be okay with the other.
Clubs survived without jumper sponsors for 100+ years (Yes I know it's a different ball game today, but it seems to be the argument of the anti-change brigade).
Both names on jumpers and sponsors on jumpers have the same purpose as each other, but use different means of doing so. It just seems ridiculous to get worked up about one but be okay with the other.
My pic from level 1 of the same game:Hell, you couldn't even read the numbers from there, let alone names or ads, so that argument that the difference is the ground v. field and how well you can read the names/sponsors doesn't hold water.
Australian football has been played since 1858, the VFL/AFL comp started in 1897, so they have gone without sponsors for over 100 years.Sponsors first appeared on jumpers in 1977 and that is less than 100 years for the VFL/AFL competition with 1996 being the centenary for the league. Names on jumpers have not been used for 118 years because it has not been a necessity and as seen on TV and at the grounds, the names were just a blur and made the top half on the back of the jumpers look cluttered. If clubs were more business savvy prior to 1977, I guarantee sponsors logos would have appeared on jumpers much earlier because clubs were scratching to survive back then and still continue to fight for survival even in today's environment of dual sponsored jumpers. The main reason people get worked up about the idea is that it did not have overwhelming benefits to justify more clutter on the jumper.
Don't bother mate. I made the same idea ages ago, and got shut down for even mentioning it. There are people on here who just hate ideas that are different to theirs.The width at the shoulders of a vest or sleeveless jumper is narrower than at the ribs, get it? It doesn't matter if it's baseball vest, basketball jersey, footy jumper or any shirt that is sleeveless. That's all I was saying. Take one out, lay it flat, and measure. There is much more room to put a name UNDER the numbers.
I have no idea what you're going on about, honestly. Cheers.
A hundred years ago players played for nothing. It was a free event. You played for the reason people play amateur sport: for fun, for sociability, to have a win, to stay fit. You didn't have the redundant players on $50,000, have massive training facilities to purchase, girls manning the phones to flog memberships, people working full-time just to update websites... far out, even Sunday League sides need sponsorship revenue these days. The only teams I know who don't use sponsors are total recreational ones in niche sports. I think, even including Auskick and their Simpson/NAB deals, only my indoor soccer team (well we played astro-turf soccer for two years; Astro Boys were quite the side, I'll tell you that much – we were wordsmiths, too) in primary school didn't have sponsors. Even then, I tried rallying my uncle's business to pay for some England shirts to cover the $10 weekly rego and ref payment.Australian football has been played since 1858, the VFL/AFL comp started in 1897, so they have gone without sponsors for over 100 years.
As I said I'm not for or against it either way, but I'd rather have a players name above the number than another sponsor. Both are there to make money, sponsors pay to get their name on the jumper and fans buy more jumpers (and pay for lettering etc.) with names on the back.
Honestly it's not a big deal either way.
I was using the exact same argument against sponsors on jumpers that people in this thread seem to be using against names on jumpers (and the same argument against clash jumpers as well).A hundred years ago players played for nothing. It was a free event. You played for the reason people play amateur sport: for fun, for sociability, to have a win, to stay fit. You didn't have the redundant players on $50,000, have massive training facilities to purchase, girls manning the phones to flog memberships, people working full-time just to update websites... far out, even Sunday League sides need sponsorship revenue these days. The only teams I know who don't use sponsors are total recreational ones in niche sports. I think, even including Auskick and their Simpson/NAB deals, only my indoor soccer team (well we played astro-turf soccer for two years; Astro Boys were quite the side, I'll tell you that much – we were wordsmiths, too) in primary school didn't have sponsors. Even then, I tried rallying my uncle's business to pay for some England shirts to cover the $10 weekly rego and ref payment.
So if recreational sport need sponsors, the behemoths of the AFL do.
In fact I don't even know how this is an argument. Absolute, undeniable millions (most clubs surely flog a back/front of jumper sponsorship for like $800,000-1.5ish a year?) against potential thousands and millions in a premiership year when your star midfielder wins a Brownlow?
Come on man.
That's the worst argument ever. Clubs won't forfeit massive income and the AFL won't allow them, even if say Collingwood wanted to.
He had his jumpers ripped. It happens.this should not happen
this should not happen
Can understand BBFFC, SMFC and FFC, but yeah numerous logos and wordmarks should have been left out this week.Only negative I can find with names being added is that the numbers are now smaller. Which could simply be solved by moving the names up on the jumper a little, the Geelong jumper today had heaps of room above the name. Oh and get rid of that NMFC, BBFFC and SMFC crap.
The width at the shoulders of a vest or sleeveless jumper is narrower than at the ribs, get it? It doesn't matter if it's baseball vest, basketball jersey, footy jumper or any shirt that is sleeveless. That's all I was saying. Take one out, lay it flat, and measure. There is much more room to put a name UNDER the numbers.
I have no idea what you're going on about, honestly. Cheers.
BBFFC, SMFC etc. would look fine if moved to the collar (e.g. my example the previous page).Only negative I can find with names being added is that the numbers are now smaller. Which could simply be solved by moving the names up on the jumper a little, the Geelong jumper today had heaps of room above the name. Oh and get rid of that NMFC, BBFFC and SMFC crap.