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The ZOMG Online Poker is Rigged Thread

Discussion in 'Poker' started by ashley12, Mar 13, 2012.

Put it out there
  1. ashley12

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    A quick sample of some stats from the recently finished micro millions for a number of countries.

    I have set the baseline stat for all results so that Australia is 1. So for example, if a country has twice as many entrants as Australia, they score 2. If they make half as many final tables, then they score 0.5

    The countries I have looked at are Russia, Germany, Canada, the UK, and Australia.

    Participants. Australia had 26,637 participants.

    Russia: 7.48
    Germany: 4.92
    Canada: 3.56
    UK: 2.79
    Australia: 1

    Events won by nation

    Australia won only one event, which is a bit smaller then anticipated, by mainly a sample size issue. Had we won instead, 0 or 2, stats would be way out

    Russia: 23
    Germany: 13
    Canada: 3
    UK: 8
    Australia: 1

    This sample suggests that Canada has had it rigged against them, since they had more participants then the UK, but the UK won nearly 3 times as many bracelets.

    Final Tables

    Australia had 20 final tables (one of them mine) /humble brag

    Russia: 6.45
    Germany: 4.05
    Canada: 2.55
    UK: 2.15
    Australia: 1

    This sample shows that compared to the other nations, Australians made a higher % of final tables then all of these countries.

    Cashes

    Australia had 3323 cashes, 18 of which were mine

    Russia: 7.41
    Germany: 5.34
    Canada: 3.86
    UK: 3.11
    Australia: 1

    These numbers ran fairly close to the entrants numbers, i.e there is no rigging of pokerstars toward a certain nationality.

    Summary: That was a fun way to kill 10 minutes, no rigging shown, only major potential flaw is within the bracelet count, which is predominately due to a low sample size. Had one more Aussie won a bracelet, then it would have been a big difference having 100% more winners of course.

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    australia won 1 event out of 100.... 1% lmfao!!


    and 20 final table results out of 900.... just over 2% pmsl...

    these figures support my claims that aussies get treated as atms for the owners...

    by the way good to see another russian win the sunday millions, was getting concerned, it had been 2 weeks.. lol
  3. ashley12

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    Unsure if serious, but Australia did not make up 2% of the final tablists, since not every game is a 10 handed final table (most would be 9, a fair few would be 8 or 6 or HU) In fact, I dont think that any events were 10 handed for the entire series.

    Winning one event is nothing strange given the numbers we had in the field...

    Anyway, shouldnt be complaining about how rigged it is toward the Palenstinien Terrotories, only 62 entries, but 13 cashes for cashing more the 20% of the time is ZOMG rigged!!!!!

    Or Uganda who cashed ZERO % OF THE TIME OH MY ****ING GOD!!!!!!!
  4. ashley12

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    And you never addressed how it is possible that David Allan could finish top 3 in the Sunday Storm and the Sunday Million in one day...
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    most have part russian blood in him somewhere...[​IMG]

    did you break even ashley, well done, for all those hours you put in, was it worth the lack of normal hour sleep, lol...
  6. ashley12

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    Do you plan on answering the question/s or just jumping around in circles like an annoying gnat?
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    Comrades! Break out the wodka! My Russian citizenship papers have arrived. Finally I can start winning on Poker Stars!!!

    :confused:
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    If I simply start drinking vodka, do you think that will be enough to have the Russian Boomswitch turned on for me?
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    ok its not rigged, im an idiot, sorry to make such ridiculous statements..

    its a fair site where we all have equal chances to make a million, depending on our abilities...

    cheers..
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    Haha, had to see if there was a player from Uganda, there was, just one entrant...
  11. ashley12

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    Exactly.

    Given a 15% cash rate they should have 0.15 cashes, and because they dont it is obviouly rigged!!!:p

    The fact we Final Tabled more often then all those countries is a sign it is rigged for us...

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    ok, can someone tell me what i did wrong here, apart from going head to head against a russian, cheers...

    PokerStars Hand #77932752275: Tournament #566010093, $3.00+$0.30 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (3000/6000) - 2012/03/28 3:21:07 ET
    Table '566010093 17' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: StevensSimon (60552 in chips)
    Seat 2: Celfhtd (34516 in chips)
    Seat 4: swans05 (56603 in chips)
    Seat 6: Pappskalle (100246 in chips)
    StevensSimon: posts the ante 600
    Celfhtd: posts the ante 600
    swans05: posts the ante 600
    Pappskalle: posts the ante 600
    swans05: posts small blind 3000
    Pappskalle: posts big blind 6000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to swans05 [Kd Kc]
    StevensSimon: folds
    Celfhtd: raises 27916 to 33916 and is all-in
    swans05: raises 22087 to 56003 and is all-in
    Pappskalle: folds [6s 5s]
    Uncalled bet (22087) returned to swans05
    *** FLOP *** [As 9d Ad]
    *** TURN *** [As 9d Ad] [3d]
    *** RIVER *** [As 9d Ad 3d] [3h]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    swans05: shows [Kd Kc] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
    Celfhtd: shows [Ah 2s] (a full house, Aces full of Threes)
    Celfhtd collected 76232 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 76232 | Rake 0
    Board [As 9d Ad 3d 3h]
    Seat 1: StevensSimon folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: Celfhtd (button) showed [Ah 2s] and won (76232) with a full house, Aces full of Threes
    Seat 4: swans05 (small blind) showed [Kd Kc] and lost with two pair, Aces and Kings
    Seat 6: Pappskalle (big blind) folded before Flop
  14. ashley12

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    He has shoved the button with 6bbs effective and an M ratio of less then 3, which is perfectly acceptable to shove with hands far wider then A2

    Your call with KK is correct, and A2 vs KK the KK stands to win about 70% of the time.

    This means that the A2 is going to win about 30% of the time, which has happened here.

    When you put in a LARGE amount of volume, this will happen a lot, A LOT. Using binomial distributions, we can calculate how often this could happen in a row, and the answers would surprise you.

    Im not sure what you are looking for. When people post bad beat stories, or talk about how bad they run, or something of that ilk, 25% of the people wont care wont believe you, and 75% wont care.

    Losing one hand as a 70% favourite has happened to absolutely everyone on this forum a plethora of times, and for those who put in a lot more, probably 10 times in a row at points.

    There will also be times where they run sick hot as well. Fact is, variance is a bitch and those who are unable to deal with it will never get anything meaningful out of poker without treating positive and negative variance in the same light.

    It would be far more rigged if a website ran games where the best hand on the flop won 100% of the time then the current Pokerstars algorithm...
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    You got 3 outted, shit happens.
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    Exactly right! F-me, I've lost hands as a 97% favourite on the flop. It happens.

    The other day I was all in on the flop with KK v 8s9s on K89 flop (one spade). Turn 3s, river As. That's a far worse beat then KK v A2 pre flop but it happens often enough to shrug the shoulders and move on.

    When you start losing pots when you are all in as a 100% favourite then it is time to start asking some questions.
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    This isn't a rigged complaint, but it annoys me that playing online of late, I either run like a champ hitting 2 outers and cracking sets, or completely card-dead for hours. I know it's all relative, but damn it's annoying to get so many monsters early on when everyone's nit-folding, but just get 4 9 offsuit when I'm on the bubble...

    Just gimmie some 'even' luck dammit! :eek:
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    randomly programmed cards, thats all i can say... but most will say im deluded on here...
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    You can expect to get AA once in every 221 hands.

    However, it isnt completely abnormal to get AA either zero times, or 2, or 3 times in one set of 221 hands.

    DUCY?
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    DUCY, ashley can you post a list of what all your abbreviations refer too?

    i know you think your too cool for school, but its hard keeping up with your level of intelligence!!

    For all i know DUCY could mean, say- ''die u **** yobby''
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    Means do you see why? As in, do you see why it's possible to get AA more than once per 221 hands?

    You're probably a better player than me anyway, but if you think Online poker is rigged because you lost KK vs A2 all in pre-flop, then I think you should probably stick to playing live (where this also happens 30% of the time btw ;))
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    it wasnt a one off champ, i wouldnt have wasted my time posting if i didnt believe in my accusations... but your right i should stick to live poker, as i know its not programmed, and if '' zomg '' moments happen i believe them...

    if u guys seriously think pokerstars isn't programmed certain ways then so be it...

    just tell me how ash, who is gods gift to poker, only has a ps rating of 68, when pretty much all the guys who make it to the ft's in big tourmys rate 85 +....

    someone as great as ash shouldnt be 68, thats too low for a star who can dominate a country casino that probably boosts 5 tables... lol

    cant believe i said zomg, im losing it[​IMG]:heart::heart:
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    DUCY = do you see why?

    Its a relatively common abbreviation particularly on the two plus two forums, made common by David Sklansky, with DUCY being the name of one of his books.

    I apolgise if I use terms people aren't familiar with, the same thing happens when I talk poker with non-poker people haha. It was kind of funny trying to explain to non-poker friends the concept of running bad and a bad beat lol...

    RE: online rating, online rating is calculated not just by ROI and total money won, but by sample size as well, with the more you play and sustain good results, the higher ranking.

    If you are going to make such an effort into my results, you will see I have played (outside the MicroMillions series) about 20 events over the last year and a bit.

    Unless you bink a tournament or two, you are never going to get a higher ranking at that rate of playing tournaments then about 75/80 no matter what.

    However, when I get to a point where I am not playing live for a lot of hours, have a real job etc... and playing for fun rather then a livng and wanted to prop bet on having a certain OPR, I would take bets on my end of year ranking being above 96 or so at evens.

    I have mentioned that there are plenty of OL players on this forum better then me with regards to online play (not going to out who dont want to be outed) who have records to prove it. I dont pretend to being some OL demigod with my play, and if you think I do think that, then feel free to quote any post saying I am Gods gift to online tournaments.
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    I'm sure you have lots of reasons as to why you believe Online poker is rigged, but posting KK vs A2 all in pre-flop as evidence just makes you look like an idiot.

    You're supposed to lose that 30 out of every 100 times, either more or less depending on your variance.
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    If i'd put in 3k+ games into a game I thought was rigged I would probably have to sit back at some point and wonder what kind of sucker I am to continue dumping money into a game rigged for the Russians.