List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 5

[fargothegreat]

The Count's kiss of death.

Massive messiah complex at Essendon. As if Brad Scott is just going to magically solve all their problems.

They couldn't even manage to sack Dodo because it would have made Sheedy cry.

 

[prodigy]

 

[Wally Matera]

Gad to see I log in this morning and a lot has moved forward. Discussions have been sharpened and we're all a little wiser now.

Someone likes a good finger bang

 

[Roksman]

Really thought DeGoey would take the cash at Essendon.

Surprised.

 

[prodigy]

Really thought DeGoey would take the cash at Essendon.

Surprised.

Yeah based on your confidence I was expecting the Essendon move as well.

 

[lvt06]

Yeah based on your confidence I was expecting the Essendon move as well.

Me too.

 

[tora tora tora]

IF

since 2017 the Tigers have forged their own success their own way ...

THEN ...​

... there is an element of "copy Cats" about their post-2022 season movements. Keep the oldies Jack and Trent on the list, at vastly reduced rates, along with another seven in the 30-plus years of age zone. And bring in tried and true players Taranto and Hopper from the outside.







Didn't all our boys take pay cuts to land "the big fish" Lynch? Houli was on one year contracts , saved money ditto Edwards.
Seems like list management 101. Balance the culture and experience while expecting slightly less output.
Having said that hats off to Geelong, their 30 year olds are going great. Isaac Norm Smith.
Like their on the elixer of life.....did Dank & Robbo leave some behind.
Our 30 year olds Dave,, Bachar, Lambo, Sheds have looked 40. JR and Cotch had good seasons in 22. Cotch is a bit of a worry if he tails off like Sheds. Sheds was amazing in the 2020 GF. At least we have 2 more mids.
Heavily back ended I suppose. even with Dusty Lynch contracts..


Chuck in father son rule !! Hawkins Ablett..the go home factor of Danger to the Bellarine Peninsula.

Some clubs luck out with father son. Darcy, this years Aschcroft we get Naishy and MRJ Pies with 2 X Daicos and 2 X Browns

 

[Groupie_]

Why would you want to go from Collingwood to St Kilda? mind blowing stuff

similar grand final record

 

[Groupie_]

The Count's kiss of death.

farkk me they are an impatient lot

one of the worst lists in the comp and they want finals in 2023

 

[jthanos]

Numbers say Greene was in the forward line and Coniglio out

Look at Tarantos tackles compared to Hopper and Hopper was in there around 75 percent

Graham was in there less than a third of Hoppers time, so by stats, Graham has more clearances

Hopper can play, no one is denying that, but your expectations on stats are inflated I think

But they give us the opportunity we currently don't have due to age, retirements, lack of midfield strength.
Now we have the opportunity to play Taranto, Hopper, Prestia along with Nank we will be extremely strong in the middle , then can be subbed for 10 min in the quarter with Dusty, Bolton, Cotchin or even a combination of. Not saying that Graham wouldn't be an asset aswell but Hopper especially clearance wise will give us 1st use of the ball. Throw in Sonsie, Ross (greatly improved) ans Short for variety we now have many options in the middle, without having to rely on Prestia/Cotchin & Dusty.

 

[Roksman]

Yeah based on your confidence I was expecting the Essendon move as well.

Sometimes you need to put your aggots on the line.

JDG strikes me as the type who is money driven and the Bombers definitely through the cheque book at him.

 

[lvt06]

The whole age 30 = to old is such a strange narrative.
Lynch, 29 this year has his best season to date, wins BnF, but now.....30 next year, can't play?
Prestia, 29 this year, plays 19 games almost finishes top 10 in the brownlow and top 5 in BnF ..... 30 next year, can't play?
Pickett - 3rd or 4th Season - does he count?
Cotchin - was awesome in 2022 and bringing in 2 gun mids, having him starting on the bench could be a massive win.

Jack R - agree, he is getting older, but he almost dragged us over the line against Brisbane and is coaching while on field and off it.
Tarrant - getting older, see what next year brings - but I loved his season this year
Grimes - Some concerns with the Hammy, but so valuable to us on field

Then King Dusty - say no more

 

[Groupie_]

if chimp and jack have great seasons and are injury free wonder if they will go again in 2024

or have they already decided

 

[Roachy8]

Thank God - let the Pies deal with his ego and inconsistencies...

 

[Dr Tigris]

But they give us the opportunity we currently don't have due to age, retirements, lack of midfield strength.
Now we have the opportunity to play Taranto, Hopper, Prestia along with Nank we will be extremely strong in the middle , then can be subbed for 10 min in the quarter with Dusty, Bolton, Cotchin or even a combination of. Not saying that Graham wouldn't be an asset aswell but Hopper especially clearance wise will give us 1st use of the ball. Throw in Sonsie, Ross (greatly improved) ans Short for variety we now have many options in the middle, without having to rely on Prestia/Cotchin & Dusty.

Exactly. We shouldn't have the drop offs that we did in 2022. And we should be able to cover injuries. That would give us a really good shot at every game last season.

Imagine having Dusty as a depth mid?
Imagine have Shai as a depth mid?

We should be able to set up a very aggressive midfield line up all the game every game.

 

[prodigy]

if chimp and jack have great seasons and are injury free wonder if they will go again in 2024

or have they already decided

I reckon they've already decided.
Sounds like Jack has a job lined up at FOXFOOTY whenever he hangs up the boots.
Don't think we'd see Cotch in footy for a couple of years after he retires.

 

[Charlie Pannam]

So Grundy definitely goes now.

 

[CASEYS9420]

IF

since 2017 the Tigers have forged their own success their own way ...

THEN ...​

... there is an element of "copy Cats" about their post-2022 season movements. Keep the oldies Jack and Trent on the list, at vastly reduced rates, along with another seven in the 30-plus years of age zone. And bring in tried and true players Taranto and Hopper from the outside.







Didn't all our boys take pay cuts to land "the big fish" Lynch? Houli was on one year contracts , saved money ditto Edwards.
Seems like list management 101. Balance the culture and experience while expecting slightly less output.
Having said that hats off to Geelong, their 30 year olds are going great. Isaac Norm Smith.
Like their on the elixer of life.....did Dank & Robbo leave some behind.
Our 30 year olds Dave,, Bachar, Lambo, Sheds have looked 40. JR and Cotch had good seasons in 22. Cotch is a bit of a worry if he tails off like Sheds. Sheds was amazing in the 2020 GF. At least we have 2 more mids.
Heavily back ended I suppose. even with Dusty Lynch contracts..


Chuck in father son rule !! Hawkins Ablett..the go home factor of Danger to the Bellarine Peninsula.

Some clubs luck out with father son. Darcy, this years Aschcroft we get Naishy and MJR Pies with 2 X Daicos and 2 X Browns

The man was walking around the Cats rooms post GF holding the Premiership cup, he's still bitter & twisted Hopper chose us over Geelol. We dont have half a dozen mid 30yos on our list and we dont by choice usually trade over 30's either (Tarrant's the only exception).

 

[guruisatiger]

Because they're f*cking idiots.

Very subtle there Mr hoos
Love it

 

[Tzatziki_Man]

Year	Jack Graham	Jacob Hopper	Tim Taranto
2018	18 Games 107 Tackles 22 Clearance 96 ConPoss 42 Inside50 4 GoalAss 250 Disposal	21 Games 98 Tackles 85 Clear 204 ConPoss 54 Inside50 4 Goal Ass 441 Disposal	23 Games 140 Tackles 86 Clearance 214 ConPoss 78 Inside 50 14 GoalAss 479 Disposal
2019	16 Games 113 Tackles 38 Clearance 97 ConPoss 59 Inside50 9 GoalAss 272 Disposal	23 Games 95 Tackles 140 Clear 318 ConPoss 90 Inside50 10 GoalAss 599 Disposal	26 Games 164 Tackles 136 Clearan 288 ConPoss 107 Inside5 13 GoalAss 721 Disposal
2020	16 Games 72 Tackles 29 Clearance 102 ConPoss 45 Inside50 8 GoalAss 240 Disposal	17 Games 71 Tackles 63 Clearanc 166 ConPoss 41 Inside50 4 GoalAss 327 Disposal	11 Games 45 Tackles 42 Clearance 93 ConPoss 35 Inside50 3 GoalAssis 212 Disposal
2021	22 Games 122 Tackles 39 Clearance 131 ConPoss 86 Inside50 15 GoalAss 418 Disposal	23 Games 88 Tackles 145 Clear 276 ConPoss 99 Inside50 10 GoalAss 607 Disposal	24 Games 128 Tackles 103 Clearan 237 ConPoss 103 Inside5 8 GoalAss 637 Disposal
2022	20 Games 95 Tackles 38 Clearance 138 ConPoss 84 Inside50 9 GoalAss 361 Disposal	7 Games 21 Tackles 33 Clearanc 66 ConPoss 16 Inside 50 3 GoalAss 135 Disposal	16 Games 76 Tackles 60 Clearance 155 Con Pos 62 Inside50 10 GoalAss 407 Disposal

 

[Groupie_]

colonwood will drop out for sure, sucked off by umps all year and wont get the bottom 4 draw again and all that bum luck in 2023

 

[fargothegreat]

Year	Jack Graham	Jacob Hopper	Tim Taranto
2018	18 Games 107 Tackles 22 Clearance 96 ConPoss 42 Inside50 4 GoalAss 250 Disposal	21 Games 98 Tackles 85 Clear 204 ConPoss 54 Inside50 4 Goal Ass 441 Disposal	23 Games 140 Tackles 86 Clearance 214 ConPoss 78 Inside 50 14 GoalAss 479 Disposal
2019	16 Games 113 Tackles 38 Clearance 97 ConPoss 59 Inside50 9 GoalAss 272 Disposal	23 Games 95 Tackles 140 Clear 318 ConPoss 90 Inside50 10 GoalAss 599 Disposal	26 Games 164 Tackles 136 Clearan 288 ConPoss 107 Inside5 13 GoalAss 721 Disposal
2020	16 Games 72 Tackles 29 Clearance 102 ConPoss 45 Inside50 8 GoalAss 240 Disposal	17 Games 71 Tackles 63 Clearanc 166 ConPoss 41 Inside50 4 GoalAss 327 Disposal	11 Games 45 Tackles 42 Clearance 93 ConPoss 35 Inside50 3 GoalAssis 212 Disposal
2021	22 Games 122 Tackles 39 Clearance 131 ConPoss 86 Inside50 15 GoalAss 418 Disposal	23 Games 88 Tackles 145 Clear 276 ConPoss 99 Inside50 10 GoalAss 607 Disposal	24 Games 128 Tackles 103 Clearan 237 ConPoss 103 Inside5 8 GoalAss 637 Disposal
2022	20 Games 95 Tackles 38 Clearance 138 ConPoss 84 Inside50 9 GoalAss 361 Disposal	7 Games 21 Tackles 33 Clearanc 66 ConPoss 16 Inside 50 3 GoalAss 135 Disposal	16 Games 76 Tackles 60 Clearance 155 Con Pos 62 Inside50 10 GoalAss 407 Disposal

Hopper and Taranto are clearly better, but they don't really play the same role as Graham so comparing stats doesn't really give you the full picture.

 

[Tzatziki_Man]

Hopper and Taranto are clearly better, but they don't really play the same role as Graham so comparing stats doesn't really give you the full picture.

What does Graham do, that can be reflected as a statistic?

Cause these boys got him covered in everything

Doesn't kick goals, no score assists, no clearances, tackles a lot - so do they, doesn't get enough of the ball..

 

[blaisee]

Hopper and Taranto are clearly better, but they don't really play the same role as Graham so comparing stats doesn't really give you the full picture.

If Graham was good enough, he would be playing Hopper and Tarantos role.

He isn't so he doesn't, and he never will

 

[Tzatziki_Man]

If Graham was good enough, he would be playing Hopper and Tarantos role.

He isn't so he doesn't, and he never will

100% this.

2021 and 2022 was his time to elevate himself. Instead, we've basically had to relinquish the game if Cotchin & Prestia were both injured.