Society/Culture Violence in Society; Who is to blame?

[Max zero]

It is for this reason that no men appear in pornography. That, in concert with the fact that women don't watch it anyway, and are also repulsed by sight of the male anatomy, has as its outcome the gender bias in the objectification stakes.

I assume you are being sarcastic.

For me both genders are objectified but by different criteria.

 

[tesseract]

Feminist Misogyny on Viral Parade in Backlash to #WomenAgainstFeminism

http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/the-feminist-misogyny-on-parade/

“Die mother f*cker! I ******* hate this #idontneedfeminism bullshit” - Sierra Misty http://instagram.com/p/qVYrBhJ0nY/

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Feminist Misogyny on Viral Parade in Backlash to #WomenAgainstFeminism

http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/the-feminist-misogyny-on-parade/

“Die mother f*cker! I ******* hate this #idontneedfeminism bullshit” - Sierra Misty http://instagram.com/p/qVYrBhJ0nY/

You keep quoting from an organisation with a leader that has very dangerous views on rape.

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

You keep quoting from an organisation with a leader that has very dangerous views on rape.

I think there is a reason for that...

 

[telsor]

I think there is a reason for that...

People obsessing about the messenger so they can ignore the message?

 

[slicedndiced]

People obsessing about the messenger so they can ignore the message?

When the messenger has the deep character flaws of the guy in question, I believe people have good reason to ignore what he says.

He's a very distasteful and odious little man.

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

People obsessing about the messenger so they can ignore the message?

To be fair, when the 'message' is such mind numbing, idiotic, ill conceived, drivel, it is hardly surprising that people ignore it.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

It's all semantics.

Maybe Telsor wants us to say the organisation promotes misogynist and dangerous views on rape and women rather than call them dangerous misogynists who hold dangerous views on rape and women.

Either way is fine with me.

 

[Floor Pie]

People obsessing about the messenger so they can ignore the message?

Do you really think this is the view, of an educated person???

After the first picture of a nuclear explosion, this was the first picture.

Whaaaat? This woman is anti abortion? No wai!
That is an interesting necklace she is wearing.

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

I really can't believe that this thread is closing in on 60 pages. We have a situation where, on average, one Australian woman is killed by her male partner, or former male partner every week and we have these pathetic men's rights fringe dwellers posting acting as apologists for violent men.

Of course it is a men's issue. It is an issue for men who behave violently towards women, it is an issue for men who intimidate or harrass women, it is an issue for men who turn a blind eye to violence against women, it is an issue for men who have mothers, have female partners, have sisters, have aunts, have daughters. It is an issue for men who believe that violence against women is unacceptable.

If you don't think it is a men's issue, I think you really need to take some time to reflect on why you feel that way.

 

[kfc1]

I really can't believe that this thread is closing in on 60 pages. We have a situation where, on average, one Australian woman is killed by her male partner, or former male partner every week

Don't think this is true anymore. Where are the latest stats?

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Don't think this is true anymore. Where are the latest stats?

In the post above yours.

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

Don't think this is true anymore. Where are the latest stats?

The most recent statistics I have seen are in the Australian Institute of Criminology report on homicide in Australia released in 2013. I am unaware of any more recent reports on this subject.

Although, I have to say if there were stats showing that there had been a reduction in men murdering their current or former partners and there was now an average of one women being killed every ten days, my points stand.

 

[Max zero]

The most recent statistics I have seen are in the Australian Institute of Criminology report on homicide in Australia released in 2013. I am unaware of any more recent reports on this subject.

Although, I have to say if there were stats showing that there had been a reduction in men murdering their current or former partners and there was now an average of one women being killed every ten days, my points stand.

Of course it's tragic that 1 women dies a week in domestic violence.

What exactly should be done that isn't? There are constant information campaigns, huge support networks, etc.

Has the problem gotten worse over the last 20 years or gotten better?

Now if only we had such passion for the far higher death rates of men in the workplace, from suicide and second rate healthcare research.

 

[kfc1]

The most recent statistics I have seen are in the Australian Institute of Criminology report on homicide in Australia released in 2013. I am unaware of any more recent reports on this subject.

Although, I have to say if there were stats showing that there had been a reduction in men murdering their current or former partners and there was now an average of one women being killed every ten days, my points stand.

Yeah I can't find anything more recent than that study which only covers 2008-09 and 2009-10. Given its now July, we should have 26-28 women killed by their male partner by now in 2014 but we don't.

The stat doesn't really have as much impact when it is phrased accurately - "6 years ago there was an average of 0.85 females being killed by their male partners"

 

[kfc1]

Now if only we had such passion for the far higher death rates of men in the workplace

In 2010-11, 203 males died while working - an average of approximately 4 per week - while only 17 females died while working.

Edit: Forgot the sauce
http://www.safeworkaustralia.gov.au...rkRelatedTraumaticInjuryFatalities2010-11.pdf

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

Yeah I can't find anything more recent than that study which only covers 2008-09 and 2009-10. Given its now July, we should have 26-28 women killed by their male partner by now in 2014 but we don't.

The stat doesn't really have as much impact when it is phrased accurately - "6 years ago there was an average of 0.85 females being killed by their male partners"

I like the way you have trivialised the death of women at the hands of their partners and former partners. Get yourself a Clifford the big red dog sticker on the way out.

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

In 2010-11, 203 males died while working - an average of approximately 4 per week - while only 17 females died while working.

Yes, which is why we need stronger laws on industrial manslaughter.

 

[kfc1]

I like the way you have trivialised the death of women at the hands of their partners and former partners. Get yourself a Clifford the big red dog sticker on the way out.

I am not trivialising anything, I am critically examining the statistics. If you aren't interested in having a civil discussion, don't quote my posts.

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

I am not trivialising anything, I am critically examining the statistics. If you aren't interested in having a civil discussion, don't quote my posts.

If you are not trivialisng it you are, at best, downplaying it by arguing that 'there was an average of 0.85 females being killed by their male partners'. If you have access to more recent statistics, or a more recent report from a credible organisation than the AIC 2013 report, please provide them.

 

[kfc1]

If you are not trivialisng it you are, at best, downplaying it by arguing that 'there was an average of 0.85 females being killed by their male partners'. If you have access to more recent statistics, or a more recent report from a credible organisation than the AIC 2013 report, please provide them.

If phrasing it accurately downplays it as a statistic then that says something about how misleadingly it is phrased in the first place.

I already told you I don't have any more recent statistics.

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

Now if only we had such passion for the far higher death rates of men in the workplace, from suicide and second rate healthcare research.

It is great that you care about deaths in the workplace and suicide, what are you doing about it, other than using the topics to derail a thread about violence against women?

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

If phrasing it accurately downplays it as a statistic then that says something about how misleadingly it is phrased in the first place.

I already told you I don't have any more recent statistics.

You also said that you 'don't think it's true anymore', if you don't have any stats to back that up, what are you basing your opinion on? Also, where did you get the figure of 0.85?

 

[telsor]

I really can't believe that this thread is closing in on 60 pages. We have a situation where, on average, one Australian woman is killed by her male partner, or former male partner every week and we have these pathetic men's rights fringe dwellers posting acting as apologists for violent men.

Of course it is a men's issue. It is an issue for men who behave violently towards women, it is an issue for men who intimidate or harrass women, it is an issue for men who turn a blind eye to violence against women, it is an issue for men who have mothers, have female partners, have sisters, have aunts, have daughters. It is an issue for men who believe that violence against women is unacceptable.

If you don't think it is a men's issue, I think you really need to take some time to reflect on why you feel that way.

I doubt anyone is saying that doesn't happen, nor are they excusing it.

Most of the thread has been saying that *some* domestic violence is also done to men, and that on that topic there has been a great deal of denial and excuses.

 

[kfc1]

You also said that you 'don't think it's true anymore', if you don't have any stats to back that up, what are you basing your opinion on? Also, where did you get the figure of 0.85?

That's from the 2013 study you cited - 89 females were killed in 2 years (104 weeks) - 89/104 = 0.85.

I don't believe it's true anymore is my opinion based on there being no examples mentioned in the media this year that I can recall, so even allowing for me missing a dozen examples that's not even close to the 26-28 we should be at by now.