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Huh?Fremantle didn't offer Lobb a contract on good money until his mid thirties.
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Huh?Fremantle didn't offer Lobb a contract on good money until his mid thirties.
He's got at least 2 more at the Dogs. Doubt he would have got that from us.Huh?
100% agree with this, and why I never backed him this year. He was never playing for the jumper, unlike our true champions like Pavlich and Mundy, who could have at least been tempted "to go home".That’s not how it works. It always amuses me how some people think that it should be a two way street. No. No player is bigger than the club, ergo the club is bigger than any player. Their careers may be short but the network they create while on the list will serve them well after they retire from footy. The ones on struggle street are usually gamblers and alcoholics/drug abusers. The launching pad that is an AFL career (even the short potato ones) is grossly underestimated.
As for Henry, I hope people blaming club would finally stfu. Freo owes Henry nothing. He however owes Freo a lot.
Good luck to him and good riddance
the poisonous touch of Colin YoungYou're talking about reasons to leave. We can all list a fair number of those without the assistance of some-a mansplaining. I'm asking about the inherent resistance to that.
We is bleeding players every year that you would think on the surface would be entrenched. Of course we could think it's just the bucks for Brayshaw at Melbourne and maybe it is, but the key is they kept him. They ain't no basketcase.
The message from these yearly "inexplicable" exits, is Bell and co need to get more resourceful at player retention in a serious way and fast.
The 2 years age difference is definitely an important factor to consider and not in a good way. We're on a continual slide backwards in terms of the average playing age. Devolpment when you're swimming against that tide constantly is problematical.I've already said a swap for Brockman wouldn't be a bad deal, he is only 20 ( 2 years younger than Liam) .Walters will probably hang up his boots in a few years and he is the ideal indigenous player to replace him. Has all the skills of Walters albeit not quite at the same level but given his age and limited game time ,you can see that it will be there. When i have seen him ,I have been really impressed and often thought how did Hawthorn land this guy, wished that we had him.
I know we have quite a few small forwards now, time will tell how consistent they will be but Walters is in that squad and I just see Brockman as his immediate replacement down the track and only 20 ,big long future. I have a comparison below for this year between Liam and Tyler and Liam does shade him but Tyler hasn't played a lot of games this year but has time on his side and by the time he is 22 ,I think he will be better than Liam.
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He will be a 30+ goal kicker in time, mark my words
You could ask for Brockman and Hawthorns pick 29 and they get Henry and our pick 40
If that was the case, then they need to develop stronger connections with the players than he has.the poisonous touch of Colin Young
Yep, and the best way to make lemonade out of that if the opposition want to pay that kind of cash for those sort of players is to get a good deal and keep wheeling, dealing and drafting.Fremantle didn't offer Lobb a contract on good money until his mid thirties.
Fremantle didn't guarentee Acres money, instead basing it on his output which until that contract year wasn't going to pay him a lot.
Fremantle didn't offer Logue $800,000
Fremantle didn't offer Brad Hill $900,000 a year when his front loaded part of his deal expired and he was coming into lesser paying years.
Colin Young has done great work for these four clients particularly. All of them are far better financially.
Meek leaving for opportunity is entirely reasonable when a player like Luke Jacksonis coming into the side.PLAYERCARDSTART9Luke Jackson
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Tucker left to be with his partner who had moved back to Melbourne after he signed his two year extension to remain here. Total professional.
Maybe. Maybe one of the results of the wheeling and dealing is creating an environment of greater instability and flightiness.Yep, and the best way to make lemonade out of that if the opposition want to pay that kind of cash for those sort of players is to get a good deal and keep wheeling, dealing and drafting.
A selective view. I tend to think Ralph Carr's approach might be more holistically sound.Fremantle didn't offer Lobb a contract on good money until his mid thirties.
Fremantle didn't guarentee Acres money, instead basing it on his output which until that contract year wasn't going to pay him a lot.
Fremantle didn't offer Logue $800,000
Fremantle didn't offer Brad Hill $900,000 a year when his front loaded part of his deal expired and he was coming into lesser paying years.
Colin Young has done great work for these four clients particularly. All of them are far better financially.
Meek leaving for opportunity is entirely reasonable when a player like Luke Jackson is coming into the side.
Tucker left to be with his partner who had moved back to Melbourne after he signed his two year extension to remain here. Total professional.
Woop woop copy'n'paste ad hom alert.Take the compliment Col
One things certain, never ever front end a Young client’s contract, they will always walk when they get to the cheaper years.A selective view. I tend to think Ralph Carr's approach might be more holistically sound.
Add ît to the list.One things certain, never ever front end a Young client’s contract, they will always walk when the get the the cheaper years.
Are you saying we have to replace Sonny with an indigenous player?I've already said a swap for Brockman wouldn't be a bad deal, he is only 20 ( 2 years younger than Liam) .Walters will probably hang up his boots in a few years and he is the ideal indigenous player to replace him. Has all the skills of Walters albeit not quite at the same level but given his age and limited game time ,you can see that it will be there. When i have seen him ,I have been really impressed and often thought how did Hawthorn land this guy, wished that we had him.
I know we have quite a few small forwards now, time will tell how consistent they will be but Walters is in that squad and I just see Brockman as his immediate replacement down the track and only 20 ,big long future. I have a comparison below for this year between Liam and Tyler and Liam does shade him but Tyler hasn't played a lot of games this year but has time on his side and by the time he is 22 ,I think he will be better than Liam.
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He will be a 30+ goal kicker in time, mark my words
You could ask for Brockman and Hawthorns pick 29 and they get Henry and our pick 40
Why notAre you saying we have to replace Sonny with an indigenous player?
Hill, Langdon to that listYes but I think in most of those cases we can put some level of blame on the club for the departures.
Hogan - recruited an unsuitable personality at a high price.
Acres - was significantly undervalued by the club.
Logue - ditto Acres.
Lobb - recruited a mercenary.
Cerra - recruited a flight risk from day one.
Henry - apparently not keen to stay, reason unknown.
Neale - didn’t want to stay, people speculated that he wasn’t happy with club culture.
As for Tucker and Meek - happy to see them go for greater opportunity.
I’m not saying any club is perfect at player retention but that list is too long.
Hill and Langdon fall into the same category as each other. Both used to be extremely close with former teammates who they had nothing to do with after leaving.Hill, Langdon to that list
What is this - We paid the prick about $350k pa too much for the 4 years he was here?Fremantle didn't offer Lobb a contract on good money until his mid thirties.
Weller, Hill, Neale, Acres, Logue, even Lobb and perhaps Henry are all players you'd think before any trade scuttlebutt surfaced, would be here permanent. Were minimal chance of being poached. Were just in a different category of player.Hill and Langdon fall into the same category as each other. Both used to be extremely close with former teammates who they had nothing to do with after leaving.
Yeah sometimes you can’t predict Connor blakelys are gonna do what they doWeller, Hill, Neale, Acres, Logue, even Lobb and perhaps Henry are all players you'd think before any trade scuttlebutt surfaced, would be here permanent. Were minimal chance of being poached. Were just in a different category of player.
Yet all goneski.
We certainly don't have any unpoachables on our list.
To lose one unpoachable may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose seven looks like something more than carelessness.Yeah sometimes you can’t predict Connor blakelys are gonna do what they do
I'd probably disagree with a good amount of those: Weller (a Gold Coast boy), Brad Hill and Lobb (their girls dragged them away) and maybe Henry (seems like a city slicker). The first three also correlate with the trades that I'd do 10 times over (especially Weller and Hill, that gave us our future midfield in Brayshaw and Serong).Weller, Hill, Neale, Acres, Logue, even Lobb and perhaps Henry are all players you'd think before any trade scuttlebutt surfaced, would be here permanent. Were minimal chance of being poached. Were just in a different category of player.
Yet all goneski.
We certainly don't have any unpoachables on our list.