Judd Trade Hindsight

[thylacine60]

Furthermore...

Judd's true worth might be enhanced at the end of season if other out of contract players wanting to follow his lead possibly join the blues as they seem to have bright prospects for the near future. Might be the sealer in getting a good player knowing they will play with and learn from Judd.

Excellent, relevant point.

Not to mention single handedly boosting your free kick tally 40%

Not quite true but pay that.

 

[pongo_3931]

From an outsiders view...

I would think that if Carlton were approaching a flag it would be more like 3 years than five. It's only a matter of time before the players really jell together and Carlton play some top notch football.

IMO Judd's biggest strength is the leadership he brings to Carlton and then all the other bonuses fall into place.

Nope... I think Carlton did pretty damn well snaring him.

Oh GL against the cats next week. Make some dims sims okay!

 

[bomba4eva]

Only in a few years will you be able to see who won in the Judd trade. Judd brings experience, leadership etc to Carlton. Also from being premiership contenders, West Coast are now a pathetic rabble. Long term it might work out for them, but the reality is that West Coast were legitimate premiership contenders last year.
Carlton have done well from the trade but I personally feel that Josh Kennedy should have been kept at the club. Carlton is crying out for a CHF.

 

[Silvagnis]

The WCE used pick 20 from the Judd trade on Starvin' Marvin.

I think we're well ahead in the trade when we had Browne in our top 20 last year.

 

[celtic_pride]

BTW Chris Masten looks like average so far, compared to Rhys Palmer or Cyril Rioli or any of the other players taken after him ..
We wouldn't have taken him at pick 3 anyway, so this guy is just sprouting ignorant gibberish.

 

[parrot]

Not to mention single handedly boosting your free kick tally 40%

lol. You're just a bitter Freagle. I did note that Freo, Weagles, and Freagle Combo supporters like yourself were bleating hard over the fact that the Umps weren't paying enough Farmer/ Pav dives. Freagles need to toughen up and get the footy rather than stage for free kicks. Might work at WAFL level, but you're both 2008 AFL basket cases, and that's one reason why.

 

[WC Eagles FC]

Fair cop - leadership is a big thing.

I guess used to have premiership all australians leaders around our club - Cox, Glass etc etc I forgot lesser clubs dont have any.

So yes important pick up for you guys then.

As for the rabble comment - just remember who the most successful AFL club is - Eagles 3 premierships and the most finals appearances of any club add to that the most profitable by almost 3 times any other club.

 

[Ole Gill]

These threads are ridiculous.

We needed Judd as much for his off field contribution as his on field. The fact that he's 23 and one of the best players in the comp were bonuses.

Weagles were hamstrung to a certain extent cause as the OP sai, he was leaving anyway - but they got pick 3 in a good draft and a great KP prospect.

It was a fair trade in the circumstances and I think both sides won in the circumstances.

 

[Mike_blues]

Well only really time will tell but I think Carlton has blown this trade.

He was going home so we were up the creek anyway we could only hope that a club stepped forward with players and or draft picks - enter Carlton.

But think about it - Judd is 24 and this year Carlton are not going to play in the grand final and whilst have great stock of young players probably wont play in a grand final for another 5 years or more by then Judd may well be at an end, especially in the midfield. Judd may not even poll that well in a Brownlow again as Carlton arent winning enough games.

Meanwhile, Kennedy has shown he is going to be a star for us if he keeps going the way he is going. Also from the Judd trade we got Masten who is showing great composure in the midfield for a first year player.

Had Carlton let Judd go and kept Kennedy, they would also probably got Masten or Palmer.

What I am saying is that Carlton would have been better placed in the 5 or more years time when they come to play in a grand final to have Kennedy and Masten/Palmer along with the rest of the young crop of players.

Time will tell.

not win a flag for 5+ years? i think we'll be going for top 4 by at least 2011 thats 'counts' 2.5 years away and we are just outside the 8 now sure we havnt played a great deal of good sides but its a huge improvement since 2001

 

[Brighton_Diggins]

These threads are ridiculous.

We needed Judd as much for his off field contribution as his on field. The fact that he's 23 and one of the best players in the comp were bonuses.

Weagles were hamstrung to a certain extent cause as the OP sai, he was leaving anyway - but they got pick 3 in a good draft and a great KP prospect.

It was a fair trade in the circumstances and I think both sides won in the circumstances.

West coast were over a barrel once Judd Chose Carlton as a 'preferred'
destination. If we'd been made to let go of humphrey then maybe
it would've seemed a bit more balanced.

 

[Bluebear]

West coast were over a barrel once Judd Chose Carlton as a 'preferred'
destination. If we'd been made to let go of humphrey then maybe
it would've seemed a bit more balanced.

If they were over a barrel then why trade what we did?

I think they were less over the barrel than people assume. The proof is in the deal.

If we really had them over a barrel then JK would still be in number 5 and Judd would be wearing 8.

 

[Bentick's My Man.]

Judd was recruited for the 40,000 membership and other financial benefits he brought to the club.

 

[THE BISHOP]

Judd was recruited for the 40,000 membership and other financial benefits he brought to the club.

Yeh rite. Nothing to do with his football ability right? If you are correct its one stupid decision. Get the on field success right and the membership and financial side will take care of its self.

 

[Andyt31]

Well only really time will tell but I think Carlton has blown this trade.

He was going home so we were up the creek anyway we could only hope that a club stepped forward with players and or draft picks - enter Carlton.

But think about it - Judd is 24 and this year Carlton are not going to play in the grand final and whilst have great stock of young players probably wont play in a grand final for another 5 years or more by then Judd may well be at an end, especially in the midfield. Judd may not even poll that well in a Brownlow again as Carlton arent winning enough games.

Meanwhile, Kennedy has shown he is going to be a star for us if he keeps going the way he is going. Also from the Judd trade we got Masten who is showing great composure in the midfield for a first year player.

Had Carlton let Judd go and kept Kennedy, they would also probably got Masten or Palmer.

What I am saying is that Carlton would have been better placed in the 5 or more years time when they come to play in a grand final to have Kennedy and Masten/Palmer along with the rest of the young crop of players.

Time will tell.

Na Chris Judd was a great Pick up and good to see him win the game for the Blues over his Side hope ya enjoyed seeing him kill wce all over the park he knew all the wce Plans which help us win the game
I'm sure he would have repeated it if We had played Wce twice shame its only once lol and plus were higher on the ladder then Wce

 

[iRemember87]

But think about it - Judd is 24 and this year Carlton are not going to play in the grand final and whilst have great stock of young players probably wont play in a grand final for another 5 years or more by then Judd may well be at an end, especially in the midfield. Judd may not even poll that well in a Brownlow again as Carlton arent winning enough games.

Enter Captain Obvious....not sure if you are aware but Judd wasn't recruited to be playing in a GF in 2008, but i can say that we'll be pushing high in the finals in the next 5 years and a lot more than WC will be, so the played in JK and Masten won't see finals in that time, so who is the winner there??

As for the Brownlow...it doesn't matter if your winning games, if you are the best player on the field you'll get votes and that is what Chris Judd is. But by the way, we have won 4 games out of 9....thats winning games isn't it?? and Chris Judd has had a big say in many games....

Meanwhile, Kennedy has shown he is going to be a star for us if he keeps going the way he is going. Also from the Judd trade we got Masten who is showing great composure in the midfield for a first year player.

Had Carlton let Judd go and kept Kennedy, they would also probably got Masten or Palmer.

We could have told you that JK has the potential to be a star, that is why he was picked up at number 4...but we get a star who is proven and you get a kid who could be a star.

Carlton would never have taken Masten, plus he has shown he fits right in with the WC culture...should be a good replacement for those that have left...and his stats don't show much at all...just very average at the moment.

Of course Judd has kicked more goals than Kennedy - the young bloke has played less games and is still learning his trade. Judd is a master and for the money you are paying him he ought to have kicked more goals.

The money we are paying is worth every cent....regarless of one touch or 20 touches

Your membership is up because of the new excitement that is Judd. Will it stay at those levels. Only 3 clubs to my knowledge have sustained memberships at that level - Adelaide, Collingwood and West Coast. The other clubs dont seem to be able to sustain those levels.

For the past 6 years we have been bottom 3, yet we have managed to have membership of about 32,000 - 35,000 in a 10 team state, compared to your 40,000 in a 2 steam state and WC playing in GF's....doesn't seem that bad to me.

By the way - the Eagles are down this year because I dont think any club has been through what we went through last year! Everyone was out to get us probably rightly so - but the shell shock for the other players is too blame and seems to be finally wearing off.

Short memory buddy, look at what Carlton have been through since the cap penalties, if you think what WC went through is more than any other club then you are a joke. WC got off very lightly and the AFL didn't take a hard enough stance on the crap your club was doing.

No club has ever or will ever have to deal with the crap and sh!t that Carlton has, and no other club apart from Maybe an Essendon or Collignwood would ever be able to get out of it...so count yourslef lucky the Weagles got off lightly.

No tell me this, where are Carlton heading compared to WC?? Judd & I see the light, what end of the tunnel are you looking at??

 

[btdg]

Hmmm - hindsight is a wonderful thing, isn't it?

Carlton added one of the top 5 players in the league, who at 24 is just entering his prime, and someone who stepped into the huge void we had to captain the club immediately. Our performances this year are... drastically better than at the end of 2007, and since Judd returned to close to full fitness (excluding the first 3 weeks), we have won 4 of 6 games.

To get Judd, we gave up an underperforming KP prospect, a first-round pick
(outside the 'elite' range for that particular draft) and a second-round pick. We didn't give up any of our top 10 players to get him; in fact, its arguable we didn't give up any of our best 22.

In all honestly, any time you add a young player who a) is in the top 5 in the league, b) is under the age of 25 and poised to enter his prime, and c) is a quality leader, you have won in the trade. If you don't have to give up any of your best 22, you have cleaned up in the trade.

 

[The_JUDDERNAUT]

Fair cop - leadership is a big thing.

I guess used to have premiership all australians leaders around our club - Cox, Glass etc etc I forgot lesser clubs dont have any.

So yes important pick up for you guys then.

As for the rabble comment - just remember who the most successful AFL club is - Eagles 3 premierships and the most finals appearances of any club add to that the most profitable by almost 3 times any other club.

carlton 16 premierships and 133 finals appearances.

WCE 3 premierships and 133 drug overdoses.

 

[danzan22]

I think Judd's season has been underrated by alot of people, you only have to look at the Carlton v Melbourne game to see what he brings to this team.

 

[Savannah]

I honestly think that the Judd deal was win-win.

What Carlton Gained:

1. Carlton needed somebody of Judd's calibre to gain members/ help marketing at the Blues after a horror decade.

2. Judd can help teach the young talent at the Blues what it takes to be a succesful club

3. Adds an experienced/ clever head to the midfield

4. By judd playing it takes the pressure off stevens and murphy.

5. Leadership

What West Coast Gained:

Youth and Quality:

1. Josh Kennedy - some carlton fans rate him and some don't - but i can honestly say that i have never seen a more exciting CHF prospect at West Coast. We have been blessed with some awesome defenders and midfielders at our club - but not forwards (sorry Suma)

2. Chris Masten - I can't believe some people on this thread have said they don't rate him and that we f*ed up on getting him pick #3. He has been fantastic in a struggling side this year - not afraid to get his hands dirty, great skills and will only get better with a few pre-seasons. People saying that they think he isn't worth rating are as stupd as WCE fans who say that Judd isn't a sensational footballer.

3. Tony Notte - Beanpole - yep, but worth a gamble. Plays Swans Districts here in the WAFL. He has hands like glue - look forward to him bulking up. Time will tell on this one.

At the end of the day,

- West Coast needed to inject youth (we have quality seniors in Cox, Glass and Kerr who can attract the marketing); and
- Carlton needed the big name of Judd - he is awesome for your youngsters and is a quality marketing tool - he is an experienced player, well-spoken and will be fantastic for your footy club for the remainder of his career.

Peace out

 

[HBF]

You also failed to factor int he membership/marketing/sponsorship $$$ that Captain CJ brings to the club, not to mention the flow-on effects of the example to the kids he sets with his work ethic on the field and the training track......yep a pretty short-sighted view by the OP

How well has Marc Murphy played this year? And even Nick Stevens? And, please remember that Judd is still nowhere near his best, given that he has come off major groin injury, and the fact that he didn't start training until after Christmas.

 

[HBF]

I think Judd's season has been underrated by alot of people, you only have to look at the Carlton v Melbourne game to see what he brings to this team.

And his final quarter against Collingwood as well. 14 touches in the final quarter.

 

[The Real Deal]

I doubt we'd be 4 wins if Judd wasn't at Carlton. Very underrated season from him so far- sure the explosive speed hasn't quite been there, but he LEADS the league in hard ball gets with 100, whilst being below full fitness. Anyone player that can have that output is a massive asset to a team, doesn't matter where you are on the ladder. What all Carlton supporters wanted this year was for us to be competitive and by freeing up other players like Murphy, Stevens, etc. Judd has provided that. I'm sure the younger players are learning heaps from him and this will fast-track their development.

Look at the Eagles now- where's the leadership??? The way Glass carried on when we were over there was a disgrace for a captain. That second quarter was hilarious.

I know the WCE supporters miss Juddy but it's time to move on- just enjoy watching him even though he's at the Blues.

 

[16 Premierships]

Well only really time will tell but I think Carlton has blown this trade.

He was going home so we were up the creek anyway we could only hope that a club stepped forward with players and or draft picks - enter Carlton.

But think about it - Judd is 24 and this year Carlton are not going to play in the grand final and whilst have great stock of young players probably wont play in a grand final for another 5 years or more by then Judd may well be at an end, especially in the midfield. Judd may not even poll that well in a Brownlow again as Carlton arent winning enough games.

Meanwhile, Kennedy has shown he is going to be a star for us if he keeps going the way he is going. Also from the Judd trade we got Masten who is showing great composure in the midfield for a first year player.

Had Carlton let Judd go and kept Kennedy, they would also probably got Masten or Palmer.

What I am saying is that Carlton would have been better placed in the 5 or more years time when they come to play in a grand final to have Kennedy and Masten/Palmer along with the rest of the young crop of players.

Time will tell.

dont Worry champ , Carlton and Pratt can buy anyone . Time to start closing in on J.Brown

 

[len_jet]

By the way - the Eagles are down this year because I dont think any club has been through what we went through last year! Everyone was out to get us probably rightly so - but the shell shock for the other players is too blame and seems to be finally wearing off.

yeah i cant remember a time when the AFL tried to make an example of an AFL side by bringing them to their knees...

only in the hypocritical manner that only they can, they let St Kilda and Richmond then breach the cap also... thinking about it again their attempt to kill us would of worked with St Kilda and Richmond funny they didnt impose those sanctions on them too... at least they could of held a better hand to force someone to the gold coast!

 

[lou73]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Personally i think we gave WC too much there is no way i would of traded Kennedy he is 10 year CHF always knew he would a good player. I would of gave them 1 and 20 and kept kennedy or gave them 3,20,36.